Why do ppl say you have to drink more water when you vape

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JJOOHHNN

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What habits were those???

Hyponatremia from overhydration is a real thing and happens, but *deaths* from it are rare. It is very, very hard to drink enough water to die. A normal person can't just drink a bunch of water and be like "whoops, drank too much!" It takes more water than a person could casually chug down.

A healthy person that isn't over-exercising in midday heat can--and should--drink as much water as they want.

I'm really curious though: what were you doing? The only real-life cases I've seen of serious water intoxication were at my high school (summer football practice in AZ), and a stupid contest on the radio called "Don't Wee for Wii". Contestants were supposed to drink as much water as they could without urinating ::face palm::.

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I remember there was a cult where a child died from too much water as some cleansing ritual. We also had back to back years of cattle death because they were drinking water too fast.

People have died running as little as six miles in the heat, that is not a very long run but they chugged the water.

The girl in Indiana that died from it was not doing physical activity, she was simply being told to drink a lot of water over and over again.

Where the real problem occurs is drinking a lot of water when there has been a lot of sweating and salt is not replaced. Your brain will swell.

HowStuffWorks "How can someone die from drinking too much water?"

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/5/f/blwaterintox.htm

Salinas Valley prison patient died from drinking too much water, coroner says - MontereyHerald.com :

Bushwalker died from drinking too much water

Drinking Too Much Water Can Kill You

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=strange-but-true-drinking-too-much-water-can-kill

I think part of it is that today salt is considered an evil. Water can dilute the salt too much. Salt pills were given in the past to prevent this from happening. Today people are not as active on average and have too much salt so many assume that it is bad. Too much water if you even have a healthy level of salt at the beginning can cause harm.

I used to haul hay, 12 hours a day, I was also in three sports and it paid for my education. Training for it got me in trouble once, backpacking got me in trouble once as well, I did get sick a few times hauling hay but didn't need to go to the doctor.

I do drink a large amount of water but I also make sure I take in salt. I am very very active and sweat a huge amount to this day because of my activity level. Too many people tell me to ease up on the salt because they think it is bad for me. These people are not doing the same things I am doing.
 
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How common is hyponatremia - Wiki Answers
wiki.answers.com › ... › Categories › Health › Conditions and Diseases‎
Up to 1% of all hospitalized patients and as many as 18% of nursing home patients develop hyponatremia. More information: Healthy adult kidneys are capable ...

How common is hyponatremia I would not have expected 1% of hospital patients to get it in the hospital. I would think they would not better. 18% is nursing homes is way too high.


"Water, just like any other substance, can be considered a poison when over-consumed in a specific period of time. Water intoxication mostly occurs when water is being consumed in a high quantity without giving the body the proper nutrients it needs to be healthy."
 
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There's an old wive's tale that your body has a problem getting water out of other liquids, which are mostly water. Probably pushed by Big Water corporations selling >1¢ of water for $1.00.
I find water gives me dry mouth/throat which does not help the vaping dehydration issue since it seems to be very localized.

I know someone who will not drink water unless it's been filtered through coffee grounds, or an orange tree and sterilized with vodka, or comes in a Coke bottle, and he's not a pile of dust.
Yes the human body has the amazing ability to hydrate itself with liquids other than "pure" water. It even gets hydration from food.

Yellow pee can be a sign of dehydration. It can also be high levels of B2.
 

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I, luckily, have always drank a lot of water. I typically have a bottle going 24/7.

I remember back in boot camp, each morning before P.T., the Drill Instructor would give each of us two salt tabs to swallow. Then afterward, we had to walk in a large circle to "cool down" and drink two entire canteens that were strapped to our waists during our exercises. When you finished both, you broke from the circle, stood at attention in front of the DI and overturned each canteen to prove they were empty.

That's a lot of salt and a lot of water, but we survived !!
 

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Myk - I remember (can't remember where) an article sayign the same thing - the 8 glasses a day thing was a marketing thing created by the bottled water companies. Even if you only drink coffee all day (like me) and beer you're still getting enough hydration.

Have some soup, fruit, veggies, your body takes water from that too.

So it's the pg huh?

I'm currently vaping 50vg/50pg but prefer 100% VG anyway, so my next batch will all be 100% VG, I might go as far as 80/20 if I had too, find pg irritates my throat a little so prefer not to have it anyway.
 

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Myk - I remember (can't remember where) an article sayign the same thing - the 8 glasses a day thing was a marketing thing created by the bottled water companies. Even if you only drink coffee all day (like me) and beer you're still getting enough hydration.

Have some soup, fruit, veggies, your body takes water from that too.

So it's the pg huh?

I'm currently vaping 50vg/50pg but prefer 100% VG anyway, so my next batch will all be 100% VG, I might go as far as 80/20 if I had too, find pg irritates my throat a little so prefer not to have it anyway.

What's funny is blaming kidney stones on not drinking enough "water" when the minerals in hard water can be the cause of kidney stones, especially when drinking too much of it. Where are all those extra minerals supposed to go? The internet habit of trying to scare people with the threat of kidney stones and a generic "drink more water" can actually be the cause of someone getting kidney stones if they follow that advice.

My brother-in-law is a kidney stone factory. He does have to drink a lot of water but the water he drinks is demineralized.

VG is also hydroscopic. It doesn't dry me out like PG does but but I've seen claims that it is just as bad.
 

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Both VG and PG are Hygroscopic.
Hygroscopy is the ability of a substance to attract and hold water molecules from the surrounding environment.

Also the fallacy that water with mineral content will cause kidney stones needs to be considered with caution. we have "Hard" water here in FL. I can guarantee that drinking up to two gallons of it a day will not give you kidney stones. How much would you consider too much?

And yes, an excess of Vitamin B2 will give your urine a yellow color, but it's a different yellow than that shown with the onset of dehydration.
I drink up to 2 gallons of water a day and also drink an energy drink that is LOADED with B2, B6 and B12.
I do not drink bottled water, because I'm one of those older people who don't see the sense of paying 3 times more for water than for gasoline ;)
 

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Also the fallacy that water with mineral content will cause kidney stones needs to be considered with caution. we have "Hard" water here in FL. I can guarantee that drinking up to two gallons of it a day will not give you kidney stones. How much would you consider too much?

Note that I did not say "will", I said, "can".

For my brother-in-law any hard water. I think it's a difference of stones every year or stones every three to five years. You think your tiny stones were bad, last year he passed a 5mm stone.

What should be approached with caution is making medical guarantees to people you don't know when that guarantee is going against the advice of doctors have actually examined the person. Exactly how much is this guarantee going to pay out? He wants to retire and may take you up on that.
 

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I feel dehydrated when I'm watching TV lying in bed or on the couch vaping. I also cant taste the flavors as well when I'm lying down. When I'm vertical no problems. Is there anyone else out there with this same experience?

Thankfully no, smoking in my sleep or in bed was one of the worst (and most dangerous) parts of that habit.
 

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Propylene glycol is hygroscopic, meaning it attracts water. Im sure you will start to feel it if you dont drink a lot. I lm dehydrated right now lol!

That explains why since I started vaping my skin and scalp have become very dry. I was never one who would drink a lot of water, so the effects are being quickly noticed. I will now increase my consumption of H2O and gauge the difference.
 

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That explains why since I started vaping my skin and scalp have become very dry. I was never one who would drink a lot of water, so the effects are being quickly noticed. I will now increase my consumption of H2O and gauge the difference.

Remember it can be an extra cpl glasses juice or cups of tea - you don't have to lug a 4 litre bottle of water around all day.
 

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As water gives life it can take it away. When I was in basic training back in 95 in South Carolina, We were drinking upwards of 2.5 gallons of water a day. over 100 degree days and lots of activity.. One day on FTX, we were digging foxholes in 120 degrees and drinking gallons of water per hour. One soldier passed out and we were advised to stay hydrated and stop working. So while in the 100 degree shade, my buddy started noticing our BDUs were caked white. He told me to open up my MRE and take out the salt pack and eat it. And start eating. Our bodies were losing tons of salt. And the MRE's were loaded with sodium. We spread the word to our whole company and within the hour, Victory Juice (kool-aid) mixed with salt was trucked in. The fallen soldier was in fact sodium depleted. He survived and rejoined us the next morning.

I have always been a big advocate of hydration. I always have salt packs in my car and backpack in case of dire situations. I carry bottles of gatorade or other sports drinks in my car at all times, and I drink plenty of water. I drink 1 cup of coffee a day because I like the taste of coffee, and I drink about 10-15 500ml bottles of water a day (I buy one for the bottle and refill it until the bottle starts to look all sad). I find that being hydrated keeps me alert, and thus not dependent on caffeine. I can vape and not feel any effects of being less than hydrated
 
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