Why do vapers expect to be treated differently than smokers?

[DC2]

Why? It's the law. We're lucky we aren't banned and tax'd right now.

Unjust laws need to be changed, not just meekly accepted.

And we're not "lucky" they are not banned right now.
They are not banned right now because people who were in the right fought for what is right.

This appears to be the kind of activity that not only do you NOT endorse, but that you actively encourage us not to follow.
And if we were doing that all along, they would already be banned.

See this thread if you don't know what I'm talking about...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ads-everything-relevant-njoy-vs-fda-case.html

If we continue with our "I can vape anywhere I want" attitude, they will come down with the hammer.

The vast majority of us don't have that attitude, so if you're basing the rest of your arguments on that it just doesn't fly.

 

[wdawg88]

What?????? That just makes no sense at all!

simple, don't vape where you aren't supposed to smoke.

wow, man. very simple rule.

 

[Myrany]

Until you win with your fight. Obey the laws then.

end of story.

The point is they are NOT laws YET so I do not have to obey them. The signs do NOT say NO VAPING or VAPING ONLY IN DESIGNATED AREAS. They DO say NO SMOKING. Doesn't apply to me.

end of story

 

[e-pipeman]

simple, don't vape where you aren't supposed to smoke.

wow, man. very simple rule.

In England it is against the law to smoke in pubs. You can vape in many of them. Your "very simple rule" does not work.

 

[wdawg88]

The point is they are NOT laws YET so I do not have to obey them. The signs do NOT say NO VAPING or VAPING ONLY IN DESIGNATED AREAS. They DO say NO SMOKING. Doesn't apply to me.

end of story

I hear you. but a policeman/sheriff may not.

sorry, but that's the plain truff.

 

[DancingHeretik]

Until you win with your fight. Obey the laws then.

end of story.

simple, don't vape where you aren't supposed to smoke.

wow, man. very simple rule.

"Obey the laws" does not equal "don't vape where you aren't supposed to smoke". Do you really not see that? Or, are you just trying to get your post count up?

 

[wdawg88]

The point is they are NOT laws YET so I do not have to obey them. The signs do NOT say NO VAPING or VAPING ONLY IN DESIGNATED AREAS. They DO say NO SMOKING. Doesn't apply to me.

end of story

so you really need a sign that says "No Vaping"?

 

[Fergie]

I know, I've been thinking the same thing myself...

The answer is really simply, and should not take a 200+ post thread.
And the answer is... because WE ARE NOT SMOKING.

Any argument against that simple conclusion is horse crap.

BINGO

 

[Myrany]

I hear you. but a policeman/sheriff may not.

sorry, but that's the plain truff.

Then we would have a court fight over enforcing laws that do not exist. Cops are not that foolish. It is a good way for them to be out of a job.

 

[DC2]

seriously.. just don't vape where u aren't supposed to smoke at.

What is so hard to understand about that.

I could write a Masters thesis on how much is wrong with that.

 

[DC2]

I hear you. but a policeman/sheriff may not.

sorry, but that's the plain truff.

Apparently you're not much of a fan of civil disobedience either.
That's the part that freaks me out.

 

[wdawg88]

I could write a Masters thesis on how much is wrong with that.

please go on and write it.

please elaborate on how some of us disagree with you...

cause you know.. some of us have opinions and feelings.

 

[wdawg88]

Apparently you're not much of a fan of civil disobedience either.
That's the part that freaks me out.

more so than you sir. I follow laws and don't vape in areas I am not supposed to.

 

[chellemmm]

I vaped at the pharmacy today...the clerk asked me if I liked vaping, did it work, and was told me how hard it was for her to quit smoking. She was really glad when I gave her the info re: ECF and told her about flavors.

If she had asked me to stop, I would have. I don't think wee need laws, just common sense and courtesy.

 

[DC2]

please go on and write it.

A whole bunch of my posts have already hinted at numerous reasons, but okay here goes...

seriously.. just don't vape where u aren't supposed to smoke at.

Accepting unjust laws is just wrong.
America was founded in part, if not almost entirely, on doing exactly the opposite.

But going further, accepting unjust no-smoking bans and then allowing them to be applied to vaping is just exponentially wrong.

That's the extremely abbreviated version of my Masters thesis on this subject.
I don't think I need to go into more detail, because it seems so blatantly obvious to me.

 

[Caridwen]

This is a topic that always brings a pretty heated debate.

It could be generational, could be cultural or geographic, but a lot of differing opinions. Debate is always good, just keep it civil.

 

[DC2]

more so than you sir. I follow laws and don't vape in areas I am not supposed to.

I suggest you Google the terms "civil disobedience" based on your comment above.

 

[DancingHeretik]

Apparently you're not much of a fan of civil disobedience either.
That's the part that freaks me out.

more so than you sir. I follow laws and don't vape in areas I am not supposed to.

OMG, do you not even know what civil disobedience is?!

Our educational system at work!

ETA: Oops, sorry Caridwen. I was posting at the same time you were. I'll shut up now.

 

[wdawg88]

I googled it. thanks. I still think you guys are wrong about vaping anywhere.

 

[wdawg88]

A whole bunch of my posts have already hinted at numerous reasons, but okay here goes...


Accepting unjust laws is just wrong.
America was founded in part, if not almost entirely, on doing exactly the opposite.

But going further, accepting unjust no-smoking bans and then allowing them to be applied to vaping is just exponentially wrong.

That's the extremely abbreviated version of my Masters thesis on this subject.
I don't think I need to go into more detail, because it seems so blatantly obvious to me.

good job