Why do vapers expect to be treated differently than smokers?
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For many smokers, the whole smoking prohibition campaign was a serious blow against their freedom.
By allowing vaping in places where one could smoke back in the day, I'm sure a lot of smokers would be motivated to buy into vaping simply to regain that freedom.
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I know it's safe. I read anything and everything before I started so I could make an informed decision. Turned out to be an easy one. However, asking the general public to accept a very small independent study or two and just say "sounds good. Vape everywhere and anywhere" isn't possible. If vaping came before cigarettes then it would be a whole different ballgame.
I think the overall acceptance has made excellent progress in the push towards mainstream acceptance but it's still a touchy subject for many non smokers. I wasn't trying to minimize the need to push back and explain in my post. I think it came off that way. Way too many people are ignorant and could care less about any study. It just looks like a duck therefore you cannot do that is something that we just have respect even though it's aggravating as you know what. It's futile to argue with those folks and they're prolific.
Seems like most everyone (at least in this forum) is quite respectful of others. That's pretty huge. Each curious onlooker that gets educated about it is a small victory and a teeny step towards what we all want and know. But until a big public study is done and *proven* safe we all just have deal with getting lumped with smokers more often than we want. No biggie. I've stealth vaped pretty much anywhere I want and vaping in the house is divine so personally, I feel like I have plenty of freedom already.
My wife was really nervous when she went on a business trip and had to ride with coworkers for 4 hours in a car. She knew she had to either explain and ask or suck it up and go vapeless. She explained and asked and was met with huge open arms in the car. She said the group was fascinated. The all wanted to try it for giggles because it smelled good but nobody smoked and she didn't have any zero nic.
At the hotel she figured she would try it in the lobby and bar. Not one single person cared and many were fascinated. Strangers were asking to try it in the bar and she had an extra cigalike with ry4 that got passed around until the batt died. Just like everybody else's positive experience, I was thrilled with the story but I know it doesn't always work out like that. Our time is coming but we're not there yet so patience is required. We're winning tiny battles but the big victory won't come until the government deems it safe and publicly declares it.
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As many hours as I have spent in these forums in the last 6 weeks, and it is no small number, this is a topic I have never run across. Admittedly, I have never done a search on the topic.
It's not being a douche to point out facts, thanks for letting me know. Here I was, unaware in my underwear.
Here I thought I had a brilliant idea and it has died of loneliness. 
It's never too late! How can you say "we" don't have the power? We do if we want it!
Isn't it a matter of commitment? Anyone in for the long haul has a vested interest in changing the perception. Anyone with a dog in the hunt (vapers and industry players) that continues to refer to the equipment as "cigarettes or cigs" knowing the negativity it brings to the practice is doing vapers and the industry a disservice.
How hard is it to start referring to the equipment differently? If that's too hard, we get what we deserve. Tissues were tissues until Kleenex came along, copies were copies until Xerox came along, gelatin was gelatin until Jello came along, right? I can't at the moment think of anything where a negative association was changed into a more neutral or positive one, but surely they exist, that's what marketing is all about.
In short order, mine will no longer be an ENDS anyway, as by October, I intend to only vape 0mg nic juice. Maybe that doesn't matter, maybe it does.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, I'll be thinking of something snappy to call my stuff. You guys do whatever you want but prepare to reap the consequences or rather prepare to continue to reap the consequences.
why is it everyone thinks that these are pipes for contraband and assume we are automaticly doing something illegal it is quite ignorant
Before I comment further on this, I just want to check...
Are you aware that "the government" is totally against electronic cigarettes and would continue to be even if they KNEW they were safe?
I'm talking about the FDA, the CDC, and any other agencies that are in a position to endorse electronic cigarettes.
If there is anything that is certain in this whole conversation, it's that we are going to get exactly what we deserve.
And they are totally against it because big tobacco tells them to be.
Big tobacco isn't our friend, but they're just getting into the game. BT is fine with e-cigs, as long as they're the ones that produce them. The big pharmaceutical companies stand to lose more from vaping- and it's the pharmaceutical companies been pushing anti-vaping legislation and junk science for years. BP has been hiding behind the screen of the public "health" associations (ACS, ALA etc) that get large donations from BP.
Although the balance may shift in the future, historically our biggest enemy has been Big Pharma...
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How so? We certainly aren't now, right?
I'm really curious and sincere, will you elaborate, please?
After reading the linked article, all I can say is WOW! And not a good wow, either. No author is referenced, nor are any sources of the mystery writer's opinion that I could see. (If I missed that info, sorry). That this article is posted on the site of a supposedly respected health authority is alarming, on many levels.
We are the ones that let them push us into the back alleys when we were smokers.
And we are the ones that aren't doing nearly enough to fight for what is right in order to prevent it from happening again.
My only hope is that we will rise up and make our voices heard loud and clear should the time come.
But my fear is that too many of us will just put our tails between our legs, grumble a little bit, and take what they give us.
Either way, we'll get exactly what we deserve.
That represents the official stance of the World Health Organization (WHO) regarding electronic cigarettes.
You are exactly right, DC. How many people who commented in this thread are supporting members of CASAA? How many even bother to put a CASAA banner on their posts? How many have written their elected offcials on the positive effect of vaping in their lives?
What are vapers waiting for??
The FDA already did one study that showed vaping was safe. But what did they do? - they lied and strongly implied it was not safe.
Our only hope is to get behind CASAA, by joining, financially supporting them and actively writing our representatives and even demonstrating where needed, to bring out the truth about the safety of vaping.
I remember walking through the mall, the grocery, Dr.'s offices etc... and hardly anywhere was off limits. Then came the smoking section in most businesses and a great many non-smoking areas, like my high school campus. Fine, it wasn't as if the govt were infringing upon my rights, it was the choice of the owners and administrators of these facilities. When the states started outright out-lawing smoking and the public villifying smokers in general I was up in arms as the choice of private property(business) owners was preempted by a vocal minority through a mostly corrupt political class.
The excuse of this infringement was the health of the non-smoker. Before the law was passed(rammed down our throats) non-smokers were given greater clean-air options as more and more businesses went non-smoking all on their own. I was fine with that. It was a matter of the owner/mgmnt's choice.
One reason I chose Vaping is to regain MY options. It is NOT smoking and I will not be restricted as a smoker. In many places, I do stealth-vape, places like shopping areas (stores) and traditionally non-smoking venues (stealthy but obvious to any paying attention). In bars, I ask first. In smoking areas I vape like a steam-engine.
If questioned, I explain, if told to stop, I do. But I won't leave a bar and stand in the rain/snow/hail to vape. If they send me out, I don't come back...
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