Rarely is one study the last word on the subject. Must say, this one ^^^^^ strikes me as additional ammunition for the vape anywhere and everywhere crowd. Yippee!
Edit: Oh, and thank you DC2 for the link.
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Why do vapers expect to be treated differently than smokers?
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Rarely is one study the last word on the subject. Must say, this one ^^^^^ strikes me as additional ammunition for the vape anywhere and everywhere crowd. Yippee!
Edit: Oh, and thank you DC2 for the link.
I fully expect to be treated like a smoker until the information gets out in society about vaping....if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck then....
I'm divided on the issue. I keep my vaping outside and away from the front of buildings to be respectful to others because, let's face it, a lot of people don't understand the difference between vaping and smoking.
However, I hate being forced to inhale other people's second hand smoke in smoke rooms in airports for example because I am lumped in as a smoker.
In those places, I usually stealth vape somewhere like in the bathroom.
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However, I hate being forced to inhale other people's second hand smoke in smoke rooms in airports for example because I am lumped in as a smoker.
In those places, I usually stealth vape somewhere like in the bathroom.
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Most US made eliquid is made by individuals in their homes. Johnson Creek is one of the exceptions. Some of the eliquid sold by Madvapes is from China. Dekang & Hangsen, both in China, are the two largest suppliers of eliquid worldwide.
The tainted food that caused deaths and illnesses in the US was due to the lack of cleanliness in the affected US plants.
Some of the ingredients in some US made eliquid actually comes from other countries, specifically nicotine from China.
For the first 3 - 4 years that vaping existed, Chinese eliquid was the only eliquid produced or used.
There is no creditable reason to have concerns about Chinese eliquid. There is potentially creditable reasons to have concerns about some US made eliquid, considering how it is made.
And if we "act" like vaping is the same as smoking, that is exactly the perception that we are presenting to the uninformed.
Vaping openly most places but respectfully is one way to provide the correct perception that vaping is NOT the same as smoking and is not harmful for those near-by. It also provides opportunities to educate the uninformed.
I do not believe vapers should be labeled the same as smokers.
You have people on the one hand and behaviour on the other. People can behave boorishly or courteously. The latter works better imho.
For example, I always ask if vaping is allowed before ordering a drink in a pub. Nearly always it is, so I order a beer. If it isn't I thank them and leave. No harm to anyone - and may make the "no" pubs rethink their policy. No pub likes to lose trade.
Sorry if this opinion was mentioned before, but I guess to me the main issue is while everyone is breathing and re-breathing in everyone's used air all the time Vaping turns that invisible shared air into something that is recognized by not just one but 2 senses maybe even 3 sight smell and taste. I don't see any amount of education getting over this and therefore the future looks bleak for Vaping (sadly said as an avid vaper) I figure we got another 6-10 years before all semblance of it being accepted drifts away
If we don't educate and fight the attempted bans, that will almost certainly be our future.Sorry if this opinion was mentioned before, but I guess to me the main issue is while everyone is breathing and re-breathing in everyone's used air all the time Vaping turns that invisible shared air into something that is recognized by not just one but 2 senses maybe even 3 sight smell and taste. I don't see any amount of education getting over this and therefore the future looks bleak for Vaping (sadly said as an avid vaper) I figure we got another 6-10 years before all semblance of it being accepted drifts away
And I totally understand your point, but here is the thing...
It is very possible, if not probable, that the air around vapers is BETTER than the air exhaled by non-vapers.
First of all, propylene glycol is known to be a very effective anti-microbial agent that can kill germs, viruses, bacteria, and fungus.
Being around a vaper could be said to be similar to being in a sanitized zone.
Secondly, all studies so far have shown that we are exhaling no more than a negligible amount of nicotine.
And that's really too bad for those around us, given that nicotine improves memory, attention and concentration.
My wife should be so lucky to have me exhaling any decent amount of nicotine.
Unfortunately for her, I'm probably not.
Sorry if this opinion was mentioned before, but I guess to me the main issue is while everyone is breathing and re-breathing in everyone's used air all the time Vaping turns that invisible shared air into something that is recognized by not just one but 2 senses maybe even 3 sight smell and taste. I don't see any amount of education getting over this and therefore the future looks bleak for Vaping (sadly said as an avid vaper) I figure we got another 6-10 years before all semblance of it being accepted drifts away
I don't think the future is bleak, but I guarantee vaping will be banned everywhere smoking is, and I'm fine with that. Someone will always complain. People have gotten so 'sensitive', kids aren't even allowed to take milk and peanut butter sandwiches to school in some localities, for fear someone may have an allergy. All it takes is one person to say they have an allergy to PG or VG, and that will be it. Chain restaurants and other establishments will quickly put up the no vaping signs. I didn't start vaping so I could use it in places smoking was prohibited. I started to quit smoking. I don't have the need or right to vape anywhere and everywhere. A lot of the activism I see really doesn't do the cause any good. I'd rather not draw attention to vaping.
I see the OP's point and even agree with him to an extent. I quit smoking right before they started passing laws to ban smoking in bars. It went downhill from there but since I had quit I didn't care. fast forward nearly 15 years later and I'm now vaping. I'm most likely in the minority here as I haven't craved or touched a real cig in all that time nor did I even think about it. But I started hearing about this vaping craze and read about it off and on for about a year before deciding to try it. I quit cigs because I wanted to stay in good health but I had always enjoyed the nicotine.
So vaping has provided that and I couldn't be happier. BUT I always keep in mind that most people around me have no idea what I'm doing. I never vape in peoples homes, stores, dining establishments etc. Even in public (out-doors) I make sure I do it where I won't bother anyone. Not because I feel It's harmful but because I prefer to be respectful to those around me. Especially those that are unknowing.
I get the third degree at home too because my Wife is a Director for the American Cancer Society. They are against E-Cigs and she has no problems shoving that in my face every chance she gets. If the Scientific community ever comes out and states that vaping does put off toxins in second hand vape I'm going to be in trouble lol.
I vape in my home but I try to keep it to my office. Even then my wife will not allow me to vape while my daughter is around and to top it all off she is embarrassed by my vaping in public. I think it has to do with the fact that she is so anti cigarettes due to her line of work which just happens to be something she is passionate about.
She tolerates my vaping...barely. This is my loving Wife... so thats just one more reason why I try to vape when no one is around or in smoking areas when available.
I see another side of this too; so many of us just don't give a ..... We act like we can vape anywhere we want because it hasn't been proven that its a health risk. It's almost like some people were ...... that smoking was banned in so many places and they want to throw their vaping in everyones face; "Deal with it! You can't stop me it's legal." this mentality is what is going to make more and more people against vaping. It truly already has accomplished that IMO.
I believe that this is non-toxic and should be accepted as such but I also understand many are not educated on this subject...they just see a smoker.
So vaping has provided that and I couldn't be happier. BUT I always keep in mind that most people around me have no idea what I'm doing. I never vape in peoples homes, stores, dining establishments etc. Even in public (out-doors) I make sure I do it where I won't bother anyone. Not because I feel It's harmful but because I prefer to be respectful to those around me. Especially those that are unknowing.
I get the third degree at home too because my Wife is a Director for the American Cancer Society. They are against E-Cigs and she has no problems shoving that in my face every chance she gets. If the Scientific community ever comes out and states that vaping does put off toxins in second hand vape I'm going to be in trouble lol.
I vape in my home but I try to keep it to my office. Even then my wife will not allow me to vape while my daughter is around and to top it all off she is embarrassed by my vaping in public. I think it has to do with the fact that she is so anti cigarettes due to her line of work which just happens to be something she is passionate about.
She tolerates my vaping...barely. This is my loving Wife... so thats just one more reason why I try to vape when no one is around or in smoking areas when available.
I see another side of this too; so many of us just don't give a ..... We act like we can vape anywhere we want because it hasn't been proven that its a health risk. It's almost like some people were ...... that smoking was banned in so many places and they want to throw their vaping in everyones face; "Deal with it! You can't stop me it's legal." this mentality is what is going to make more and more people against vaping. It truly already has accomplished that IMO.
I believe that this is non-toxic and should be accepted as such but I also understand many are not educated on this subject...they just see a smoker.
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"I believe that this is non-toxic and should be accepted as such but I also understand many are not educated on this subject...they just see a smoker."
Ignorance is not any sort of defence.
Ignorance is not any sort of defence.
This is not even an issue of rights anymore. It is an issue of consideration. If someone has a problem with me vaping 10 feet away from them in a restaurant, that is their problem. Because i damn well do my best effort to be unobtrusive, I hold in my pulls to dissipate the vapor and blow down below the table.
You knows whats funny, is that no one ever mentions the fact that we already know how vapor behaves in comparison to smoke. We know its density levels, its rate of dissipation, all its properties as a gas.
Just to be funny, "Ummm. sir can you stop farting around me, your releasing Nitrogen: 20-90% Hydrogen: 0-50% (flammable) Carbon dioxide: 10-30%
Oxygen: 0-10% Methane: 0-10% (flammable)"
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You knows whats funny, is that no one ever mentions the fact that we already know how vapor behaves in comparison to smoke. We know its density levels, its rate of dissipation, all its properties as a gas.
Just to be funny, "Ummm. sir can you stop farting around me, your releasing Nitrogen: 20-90% Hydrogen: 0-50% (flammable) Carbon dioxide: 10-30%
Oxygen: 0-10% Methane: 0-10% (flammable)"
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It appears that since you didn't start vaping to be able to vape other than with smokers, you believe that we should all view vaping as being as bad as smoking and do not have the "right" as you put it to think or act differently. And you also state that we should not draw any attention to vaping, implying that it will be better for the vaping community if we hide our vaping.
So in essense, we should keep quite, shut up, hide our vaping and let the ANTZ's define vaping. And the ANTZ's have been defining vaping way before many people were vaping and hardly any openly vaping, so it sure didn't have anything to do with it being seen.
I don't see how this will logically help the vaping community. But I do believe that vaping openly but respectfully will define vaping correctly as an activity that is not smoking and is not harmful for others, as noted experts have stated.
I completely agree. I don't hide the fact I vape. I use my Provari and tanks out in public, in my car, wherever, despite the funny looks I often get. I vaped out in public in Thailand, Cambodia, and Vietnam when I visited Spring of this year. When a police car is besides me and I'm vaping, I don't care and I don't hide it. The rebellious part of me from years past finally gets to have a laugh, knowing that I am doing nothing wrong. What's funny is, if a cop is besides me, he'd think me absolutely mental to be doing something illegal without a care in the world that a police car is besides him. And I have never been bothered by the police. I have even taken my Provari through security and X-rays at airports and even jury duty.
Honestly, the reason I don't try to take it too far inside buildings is because I get tired of explaining of myself. Yes, it's interesting and fun the first one-hundred times, and it's always interesting to someone who I might be able to get to switch, but honestly, when I want to vape, I want to vape, and not give a tutorial on to a non-smoker, especially one who is already ...... because they think I've violated their personal 'healthy space'. Personally, that's what keeps me being a little more reserved inside establishments.
I hear what you're saying but having recognized Dekang & Hangsen were made in China, I haven't bought either, nor will I.
I purchase only 0 and 6mg nicotine juices and will soon purchase only 0mg... I hope! Not too concerned about the percentage that will come from China as I suspect it will be miniscule. At least one of my suppliers, Nicoticket, sources 100% from the US. I may elect to contact the others to determine their sourcing. Will share that info if I do.
I've only been vaping just over a month so I was not exposed to the early eliquid that may have come from China.
There might be no "creditable" reasons for you not to use Chinese eliquid, I feel differently, that's why there's chocolate and vanilla.
And how pray tell do you know this? You say yourself, "let's not convince ourselves of anything until all the evidence is in." All the evidence is not in.
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