Why do vapers expect to be treated differently than smokers?

[DC2]

If that were the only reason people vaped openly, I would agree. But you and I both know that is probably a side issue at most. People want to do what they want to do and not have others question them about it.

There are very few people with that attitude around here.
But it seems like a lot of people seem to think there are a lot of people with that attitude.

I don't get that.

I think a lot of people are projecting their own concerns for disrespectful behavior into the words of others.
At least that's what I've gathered from reading threads like this for years and years now.

I don't think of myself as an educator, a vaping prophet or a life-saver (except maybe my own) but to say that the sole reason why people vape in public is to help save lives is disingenuous.

There is another reason, and that is to educate, and stop the madness.
And it is madness, and it does need to be stopped.

Perhaps we just disagree on the best way to stop it, and that's fine.
But it's still madness.

 

[InTheShade]

I was just replying to a specific post in the forum, and certainly not projecting. OP stated he is saving lives and that is the higher ground - which, as you said is difficult to disagree with - if that were the real issue.

If the sole reason why someone vaped in public were to educate and save lives then I have nothing but amazement and respect for that. But the real reason is not so altruistic. Some people vape in public because it's their perceived right, even though it may cause, at the very least, concern among non-vapers.

That was my only point, to state that the only reason why the OP vapes in public is to save lives is disingenuous.

 

[DC2]

That was my only point, to state that the only reason why the OP vapes in public is to save lives is disingenuous.

I don't think he said that was his only reason.

 

[InTheShade]

I just read back through the comments and I saw (and still see) that stated as the primary reason why the OP vapes in public. Hence my response.

I really don't want to argue semantics about this, I think the issue is important and I think the discussion healthy. If I misrepresented the OP with my statement, I have seen no protest from the OP.
I am not trying to prove anything with my comments, only offer my point of view which may or may not be how others see the issue.

Edit - Obviously I do want to argue semantics sorry...

 

[coat]

I don't think he said that was his only reason.

Yes there are other reasons of course. That's why I also vape at home.

 

[InTheShade]

For every one person who will be upset with my behavior, there will be at least 10 smokers who decide to mimic it by educate themselves and converting to a healthier lifestyle.

To me, saving lives IS the higher ground. And if anyone has a problem with that, maybe they stand 25 feet away from the entrance. Because their selfishness is offending me.

If anyone has a problem with you saving lives, vaping in public, then their selfishness is offending you.

And that is not stating quite clearly that you vape in public to save lives as your primary reason.

Give me a break please.

 

[coat]

If anyone has a problem with you saving lives, vaping in public, then their selfishness is offending you.

And that is not stating quite clearly that you vape in public to save lives as your primary reason.

Give me a break please.

Thought you didn't want to argue semantics? That is one isolated post out of several about the same issue

 

[InTheShade]

Thought you didn't want to argue semantics? That is one isolated post out of several about the same issue

I edited my post to reflect that I wanted to argue semantics about a minute after I posted that

 

[coat]

Edit: this is absurd.

Whatever my reason may be, I see NOTHING wrong with what I'm doing unless the owner of the establishment asks me to stop.

I'm proud that I've given up smoking after all these years. And I don't need to continue being treated as a smoker when I'm NOT smoking. If you see this as a problem, you obviously don't respect your own decision to vape, as there must be something with it.

 

[InTheShade]

Now who is projecting? My biggest issue was you coming across all altruistic about your right to vape in public because you were saving lives.

"I save lives me, so don't you dare question why I vape in public and not care about other peoples reactions to it. I'm saving lives here

Well I have a problem with that.

Just say it, you vape in public because you want to, and be damned with everyone else's objections.

Just for the record, I have, on numerous occasions, demonstrated that I am trying to discuss this sensitive topic with humor and with self-depreciation. But please don't question my decision to vape and the respect of my own decision therein. I think that is a very personal issue and one that is outside of the remit of this discussion.

 

[coat]

Just say it, you vape in public because you want to, and be damned with everyone else's objections.

Just for the record, I have, on numerous occasions, demonstrated that I am trying to discuss this sensitive topic with humor and with self-depreciation. But please don't question my decision to vape and the respect of my own decision therein. I think that is a very personal issue and one that is outside of the remit of this discussion.

I believe I did already state that I obviously have other reason for vaping in public. Same reasons I vape at home, I enjoy it.

"And be damned with everybody else's objections"...how many times must I say that only ONCE have I been told to stop. Because it was mistaken by a former smoker as a cigarette, who I then converted to vaping. If nobody complains and I'm breaking no laws, what have I done wrong?

And you're right, I don't know your reasons for vaping. If you read my last post before I edited, you might've seen one of mine.

But I will say that I think as long as people continue to be ashamed to vape in public, we will still be viewed by the majority as users of a "filthy habit". Banished to stand in the rain.

 

[InTheShade]

It's not about being ashamed. There is a big difference between being respectful of others and being ashamed of my actions. I don't not vape because I am ashamed, I don't vape because it may hurt vaping in general and I feel a responsibility to show that we vapers are a respectful and socially adept bunch.

I don't vape even when I can because I want people to say hey, I know a vaper and even though he knows he can take a huge hit of his 'thing' and can blow smoke at my kid in the walmart, he chooses not to, he's a good egg, yeah he's called Aglet and he smells like fruit.

That's my whole point. You had one person that confronted you, but how many others are judging? How many people have seen you vape and thought, what a complete loser, look at that guy, he's a vaper, they are all inconsiderate.

Yes they are wrong for judging, but they are going to judge anyway, and if you can modify your behavior a little to project a better image for all vapers, then why wouldn't you do that? It doesn't hurt you in any way, and in the long run, it may actually improve the image that people have of vapers and save us from sending ...................

OK, well we agree to disagree coat. I still respect you and your right to vape, (just don't infringe on my right to not have someone vape near me) and I really like your avatar.

 

[ricks]

With all that is said here, I will continue to Vape everywhere I go. I will continue to educate anyone who asks what I'm doing and I'm still waiting for my first complaint from someone about my vaping. WE ARE DOING NOTHING WRONG and we should'n't be ashamed or hide it.

 

[Swol]

If it walks like a duck and acts like a duck, it might be a turtle.

 

[zahzoo]

I know, I've been thinking the same thing myself...

The answer is really simply, and should not take a 200+ post thread.
And the answer is... because WE ARE NOT SMOKING.

Any argument against that simple conclusion is horse crap.

Sorry it's just not that simple... I'm amazed at the thinking or lack of, in this discussion.

For both, the act of smoking and vaping involve using a delivery device, with a heat source, to create a gaseous substance containing Nicotine which is administered orally and absorbed into your blood stream via the lungs or the membranes in you mouth, nose and/or throat. In simple terms virtually the exact same thing.

The differences... burning tobacco and the chemicals it's treated with plus used in the manufacturing elements of the delivery devices has verified, scientific negative health impacts on humans. e-juice appears to contain far less dangerous chemicals produced as a result of vaporizing them than tobacco so many believe it is far safer. Odds favor that assumption... but are far from being conclusively proven scientifically.

To me... saying smoking and vaping are completely different is like trying to convince someone eating a fresh apple is totally different from eating apple sauce with a spoon. A slight variation in the delivery method doesn't constitute a significant enough difference to matter one way or the other.

 

[e-pipeman]

Sorry it's just not that simple... I'm amazed at the thinking or lack of, in this discussion.

For both, the act of smoking and vaping involve using a delivery device, with a heat source, to create a gaseous substance containing Nicotine which is administered orally and absorbed into your blood stream via the lungs or the membranes in you mouth, nose and/or throat. In simple terms virtually the exact same thing.

The differences... burning tobacco and the chemicals it's treated with plus used in the manufacturing elements of the delivery devices has verified, scientific negative health impacts on humans. e-juice appears to contain far less dangerous chemicals produced as a result of vaporizing them than tobacco so many believe it is far safer. Odds favor that assumption... but are far from being conclusively proven scientifically.

To me... saying smoking and vaping are completely different is like trying to convince someone eating a fresh apple is totally different from eating apple sauce with a spoon. A slight variation in the delivery method doesn't constitute a significant enough difference to matter one way or the other.

To compare the delivery device that is the cigarette with the delivery device that is the e-cigarette is really comparing apples to bananas. They are both fruit (they have nicotine in common). There the similarity ends.

Where is the combustion with an e-cigarette? Where is the smoke? Where is the ash? Where is the paper? The ammonia? The benzine? The arsenic?

I'm afraid apples/apple sauce is trying to promote the similarity of the two delivery systems. It is their dissimilarity that is fundamental. This is not "a slight variation" in the delivery method. The delivery methods are wholly dissimilar, as is the content of what is being delivered.

"Sorry it's just not that simple... I'm amazed at the thinking or lack of, in this discussion. " Well...at this point we must agree to differ. Clearly we have a different "take" on this issue.

 

[coat]

In simple terms virtually the exact same thing.

Odds favor that assumption... but are far from being conclusively proven scientifically.

It's only the same in its physical appearance. tobacco combustion creates smoke. Steaming eliquid does not. These are not the exact same thing.

It has nothing to do with odds or assumptions. There is already enough research, and more will be published. evidence makes these opinions irrelevant.

 

[Snicks]

I took my 3 year old to Chuck e cheese last night for some salad bar and games. I had my ego in my pocket. When I wanted to take a pull I walked outside the building and vaped. Then wen't back in. I know I could have vaped in the establishment but it didn't seem like the right thing to do with 50 kids running around when I could just step outside. I think that is the point some of us are trying to make. Being respectful of others only works in your favor.

I vape but if I was sitting in Chuck e Cheese and someone started vaping I'd walk up to them and ask them to take it outside. It might be legal, it might not (MIGHT NOT) put off any form of toxins but I wouldn't do it around kids nor would I allow it done around mine. Not to mention it could be teaching bad habbits to children that are very impressionable.

 

[mediocre toker]

my
When i first started vaping i never did it amongst non smokers. The reasons?
1) It looked a bit silly
2) All my friends at work were still going to the smoking areas at work and i never wanted to ostracize myself from them.
3) common decency
It got to stage at work where initially vaping was allowed. Then one smoker decided to be the "look at me look at me. I'm vaping and it looks like smoking and all you jokers have to go out in the rain and everything,and i don't because I'm not smoking.HA HA Ha"
Yeah nice one you Richard. The result: vaping considered the same as smoking by the bosses.Banned in all non smoking areas.
As for the vaper involved. Well, she had to go outside too and she was back on the fags within a week.
Just one bad apple ruining it for us sensible types yet again.
To sum up.
Vape on if it's allowed but if someone has a problem with it. Wear it, and move.
Remember. Not everyone is the same. But everyone has the right to express their opinion. It may not be your opinion.but that doesn't mean it's not valid.If you believe that some ones opinion is wrong then that is your problem not theirs. You only have to look at some of the posts in this thread to see that in spades.
We are family........................................

 

[e-pipeman]

"We are family........................................"

I'll go with that. Well, apart from the song. I'm more of a Sex Pistols/Ramones/Steve Harley/ZZ Top/Status Quo/Beatles/Richard Hell & The Voidoids kind of guy. Not that that matters. And that's the point imho.