Spot on. Only pain I had quitting cigs was stress migraines. But they were definitely the hardest things I've ever quit. Everything else, I quit cold turkey. Everything else was more mental and painful in different ways. But the cigs... they had a grip in a way I just couldn't even believe. Real creeper stuff. Seems so innocent in comparison... evil, sneaky, etc..Heh I just made the mistake myself there. I just had to come along and make it look like I entirely missed everything I just read. It was just a brainfart typing kind of thing, tho
I was probably a bit bombastic with my previous post. I was mainly thinking of the physical symptoms of abstinence. The sickness and pains that (I believe) most smokers don't suffer when quitting. The mental aspect, tho... I'm sure some smokers can go just as crazy as drug users. Well.. sort of ... somehow... y'know. Minus the part where ones brain is usually quite scrambled to begin with if one is coming off of the tougher stuff.
Why do you guys vape?
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Everyone will be different, but tapering downward in nic levels was way too easy for me. I've vaped 24mg nic and zero nic, but I like a little nic so I'm staying at 6mg for the time being.
The most addictive part of vaping is the inhale and exhale. It's just relaxing.
The most addictive part of vaping is the inhale and exhale. It's just relaxing.
I started with a eGo twist and an eVOD just to kick the analogs because where i live the price of a 20 pack of reds cost over $19 and it worked ive been smoke free for just over 8 months. after discovering mods i started to vape more as a hobby compared to vaping to fill the spot. i seen all these people on mechs and the clouds they were producing. Now id say im a self-proclaimed cloudchaser. for me blowing big clouds and building coils is real fun. the best part is that ive been saving so much money buying juice instead of coffin nails.
My own dependence/tolerance with nicotine is really not that high at all; even 12mg, if I vape it for more than an hour, gives me those awful sharp pains in my stomach and then nausea. But as I proved to myself, I can vape myself silly at my max tolerable dosage, and it doesn't make a bit of difference to my cravings; only the WTA helps in that case. I didn't have the problem so badly my first quit, but I think the complete novelty of e-cigs, AND of going without cigarettes and not going nuts, got me thru, then.
Since I just hit 90 days smoke-free, I'm right in one of those bad spots in the "rule of 3's", and I've been feeling it lately, kinda down, self-pity, alienation, etc; really glad I had the WTA or it would have been so much worse, but in a couple weeks, I'll begin weaning down slowly from the WTA; I don't know if I can ever go completely without it, given my history with depression and anxiety, but I'm going to try. The slow weaning is of course so much easier with e-cigs than it ever could be with actual cigarettes. Worst case, I might need to continue with a very small amount of WTA for quite some time. Not really worried about it; even if WTA carries slightly more risk than plain nic vaping, it's still orders of magnitude safer than smoking to get those MAOIs. Since I'm making good progress with learning DIY, it won't be too expensive to keep a little WTA to add to my mixes.
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When I first switched from cigarettes to vaping I defiantly got a nicotine buzz the first couple of days. I got a nicotine buzz when I first started smoking cigarettes back in the day too. This was something that wore off over time though, I guess you just get immune to it after a while and continuing doing it just out of habit and/or nicotine addiction. I think you could defiantly get more a nicotine buzz on average from vaping than cigarettes, simply because you can get e-liquids that have a higher nicotine content that tobacco and if you are using more powerful/advanced equipment you can get a much bigger, fuller hit that you could from any raw tobacco product.
One thing I have not seen discussed here is the rate, or speed, at which the nicotine operates. Cigarettes are carefully designed to maximize the speed at which the nicotine hits the user--they call it (as I recall) the "impact." Based on my experience, the nicotine obtained from 10 minutes of vaping 18mg juice seems enough to satisfy my usual desire for a Turkish Gold, but the speed of the nicotine delivery is slower, and therefore the impact is perceived as lower. This lower impact tends to leave me sort of "wanting" a regular cig, but not "needing" one. Also, because the rate of uptake of vaped nicotine is slower, it seems to me that the rate of metabolization takes longer. I wonder if this is one reason why vapers can go for long periods without craving. I also wonder if it is the lower impact that enables vapers to eventually drop their nicotine without losing their minds.
I know it's addictive, no argument from me, as far as I'm concerned it's a scientific fact and anyone saying different is fooling themselves and not accepting actual facts that have been proven with years of studies. Smoking or vaping it, it's addictive, there's just some that don't want to admit it. These are usually the same ones who smoked for years and liked it but then decided to quit and trade smoking tobacco for smoking vapor and now constantly hate on tobacco. It makes no sense.
That may be your thinking however every vaper I know also uses tobacco. The only ones who I ever hear saying they only vape are people on the web. I think its really a small portion that once smoked and now only vape, but there are of course many who never smoked but vape because they like it. Vaping is starting to become popular especially among the younger adult crowd. It's looked as the cool thing to do and has no connection to quitting smoking at all.
"most addictive substance known to man" has NOTHING to do with the severity of withdrawal symptoms. It refers to the ratio: # of people who try the drug/# of people who then become addicted to it. Since only nicotine changes the brain, the # of receptors, it catches more than it releases, so to speak.
I always felt that the act of inhaling and blowing out some sort of smoke was at least 50% of my addiction. This is probably the case with most smokers too, which is why people seem to get off cigarettes easier with vaping than the gum or patch. This is probably the reason why alot of vapers are able to slowly ween themselves off of nicotine over time as well, vaping low/non-nicotine liquids is still satisfying half of that original addiction.
I believe that was implied and understood with your first posting. And with mine it seems you're referring back to with this comment. Though the difference is your comment doesn't remove tobacco, big pharmacy and big tobacco from nicotine. Neither do the studies you've posted about. We're not talking about tobacco and the nicotine contained in it with the cocktail of helper substances. There's a major difference.
What years of studies on nicotine in what form? What medium was studied? You do realize vaping is different from what's in those studies, yes? Fool yourself if you wish. But save us from the insults because we actually choose to look further into it and seek truth.
Doh... that's how we started smoking in the first place. It was the cool thing to do. These same kids would be smokers if it were 10 years ago. Still a safer alternative in context of reality.
80% of the known people I've converted no longer smoke at all. Your Small circle is your small circle.
Did you forget, Beck?
Smoking and vaping are categorically equivalent (now where have I heard that before?) and coils achieve temperatures to glow red while vaping.
Smoking and vaping are categorically equivalent (now where have I heard that before?) and coils achieve temperatures to glow red while vaping.
If so, that is a poor definition, and I honestly doubt the statistics it's based on. At the very least, "addicted to smoking" needs to be clearly defined. Anyway, it only says something about the forming of an addiction; nothing about the lengths people are willing to go to support it / how much deterioration of minds and bodies an addict is willing to suffer to keep up the habit. That, to me, is a much better indicator of the addictive nature of a substance than simply looking at the initial meet'n greet.
I Vape because it was the only way I have ever successfully quit smoking. I don't use tobacco in any form and haven't in close to 2 years. I know many Vapers. . only one still smokes. I'm not at all interested in the semantics of addiction. I have first hand experience with addiction. If I allow posters on a forum to alter my methods of recovery, I'm a dead man. All I know, is for the first time in a 32 year smoking habit, I don't WANT to smoke. I know that smoking was killing me, not nicotine. I've gone from 24 mg to 3 mg in 22 months because I wasn't a huge fan of the throat hit. I never felt any ill effects from the nic reduction... no nervousness, moodiness.... nothing. Vaping is an amazing discovery/invention.
I vape because it looks cool, and I want people to see how cool I look.
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I vape because the alternative will kill me.
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I vape because the alternative will kill me.
I smoked for 42 years because I was addicted to the nicotine and because it was "cool", at least when I was a kid.
Where I grew up if you didn't smoke you got your balls busted.
I quit cold turkey for one year, have used every pill, patch and potion and none of them worked for any length of time, it was all sheer willpower.
Vaping changed that, it is easy to quit smoking with vaping.
Just to be clear though, I vape to NOT smoke, PERIOD. This is the primary objective.
I have bought and sold many devices in my time here, but now I want to load batteries and juice and be on my way.
I am grateful for the discovery of e-cigs, without them I would still be killing myself with analogs
Where I grew up if you didn't smoke you got your balls busted.
I quit cold turkey for one year, have used every pill, patch and potion and none of them worked for any length of time, it was all sheer willpower.
Vaping changed that, it is easy to quit smoking with vaping.
Just to be clear though, I vape to NOT smoke, PERIOD. This is the primary objective.
I have bought and sold many devices in my time here, but now I want to load batteries and juice and be on my way.
I am grateful for the discovery of e-cigs, without them I would still be killing myself with analogs
Propaganda, can convince otherwise normal intelligent people to agree with idiocy and evil and be completely uncognizant of that's what they are doing. Just ask the Grman citizens of the Nazi era. Likewise, the addictive properties of nicotine have evolved quite a bit from the naive assumptions of the all nicotine addiction of cigarette smoking.
Tobacco smoke contains anabasine, anatabine, and nornicotine. It also contains the monoamine oxidase inhibitors harman and norharman.[33] These beta-carboline compounds significantly decrease MAO activity in smokers.[33][34] MAO enzymes break down monoaminergic neurotransmitters such as dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin. It is thought that the powerful interaction between the MAOIs and the nicotine is responsible for most of the addictive properties of tobacco smoking.[35] The addition of five minor tobacco alkaloids increases nicotine-induced hyperactivity, sensitization and intravenous self-administration in rats.[36]
33 a b Herraiz T, Chaparro C (2005). "Human monoamine oxidase is inhibited by tobacco smoke: beta-carboline alkaloids act as potent and reversible inhibitors". Biochem. Biophys. Res. Commun. 326 (2): 378–86. doi:10.1016/j.bbrc.2004.11.033. PMID 15582589.
34. Fowler JS, Volkow ND, Wang GJ, et al. (1998). "Neuropharmacological actions of cigarette smoke: brain monoamine oxidase B (MAO B) inhibition". J Addict Dis 17 (1): 23–34. doi:10.1300/J069v17n01_03. PMID 9549600.
35. Villégier AS, Blanc G, Glowinski J, Tassin JP (September 2003). "Transient behavioral sensitization to nicotine becomes long-lasting with monoamine oxidases inhibitors". Pharmacology, Biochemistry, and Behavior 76 (2): 267–74. doi:10.1016/S0091-3057(03)00223-5. PMID 14592678.
36.Villégier AS, Salomon L, Granon S, et al. (August 2006). "Monoamine oxidase inhibitors allow locomotor and rewarding responses to nicotine". Neuropsychopharmacology 31 (8): 1704–13. doi:10.1038/sj.npp.1300987. PMID 16395299.
Tobacco smoke contains anabasine, anatabine, and nornicotine. It also contains the monoamine oxidase inhibitors harman and norharman.[33] These beta-carboline compounds significantly decrease MAO activity in smokers.[33][34] MAO enzymes break down monoaminergic neurotransmitters such as dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin. It is thought that the powerful interaction between the MAOIs and the nicotine is responsible for most of the addictive properties of tobacco smoking.[35] The addition of five minor tobacco alkaloids increases nicotine-induced hyperactivity, sensitization and intravenous self-administration in rats.[36]
33 a b Herraiz T, Chaparro C (2005). "Human monoamine oxidase is inhibited by tobacco smoke: beta-carboline alkaloids act as potent and reversible inhibitors". Biochem. Biophys. Res. Commun. 326 (2): 378–86. doi:10.1016/j.bbrc.2004.11.033. PMID 15582589.
34. Fowler JS, Volkow ND, Wang GJ, et al. (1998). "Neuropharmacological actions of cigarette smoke: brain monoamine oxidase B (MAO B) inhibition". J Addict Dis 17 (1): 23–34. doi:10.1300/J069v17n01_03. PMID 9549600.
35. Villégier AS, Blanc G, Glowinski J, Tassin JP (September 2003). "Transient behavioral sensitization to nicotine becomes long-lasting with monoamine oxidases inhibitors". Pharmacology, Biochemistry, and Behavior 76 (2): 267–74. doi:10.1016/S0091-3057(03)00223-5. PMID 14592678.
36.Villégier AS, Salomon L, Granon S, et al. (August 2006). "Monoamine oxidase inhibitors allow locomotor and rewarding responses to nicotine". Neuropsychopharmacology 31 (8): 1704–13. doi:10.1038/sj.npp.1300987. PMID 16395299.
Change the 42 to 55 and it's me.
All I wanted to do was try out this new thing I seen on TV E-cig and three days later, I was SET FREE.
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