Why does the medical field know so little about vaping?

[Marvin & Sennie]

Triage nurse asked if I smoked, I said I quit 2 months ago, She said CONGRATS, I said with ecigs, She said what's the point? I wanted to punch her in the throat for making me feel like I was doing something dirty and like I hadn't quit smoking because I am very proud of this!! Instead I responded with cigarettes have like 4000 ingredients that are bad for you, ecigs have 4 ingredients that aren't. She was just like ok but I could see that mental eyeroll written all over her face. UGH!!

 

[tmcase]

Some doctors are on board with ecigs and some are not. The ones that are not are not informed and/or their office or hospital has a policy against ecigs and the doctors have to abide by that policy. I'm my case my doctor was happy that I had switched to ecigs.

 

[Scottinboca]

I'm a dialysis tech and I only have 2 semesters to go till I get my nursing degree to be a RN. I educate as many people in and outside the medical field as possible. I hate the lack of knowledge that's out there especially within the medical community. I have arguments with people all the time. The vaping industry seems gimmicky to a lot of people outside the vaping world. That's why it is important to educate as many people as possible with accurate information and treat those ignorant people with patients and respect. People hear something that sounds too good to be true, like the fact vaping works, with a ton of skepticism.

 

[Marvin & Sennie]

Some doctors are on board with ecigs and some are not. The ones that are not are not informed and/or their office or hospital has a policy against ecigs and the doctors have to abide by that policy. I'm my case my doctor was happy that I had switched to ecigs.

I guess some just prefer ignorance and THAT I don't understand!!

 

[Marvin & Sennie]

I'm a dialysis tech and I only have 2 semesters to go till I get my nursing degree to be a RN. I educate as many people in and outside the medical field as possible. I hate the lack of knowledge that's out there especially within the medical community. I have arguments with people all the time. The vaping industry seems gimmicky to a lot of people outside the vaping world. That's why it is important to educate as many people as possible with accurate information and treat those ignorant people with patients and respect. People hear something that sounds too good to be true, like the fact vaping works, with a ton of skepticism.

I know it does which was why the hubs had trouble getting me there but I went when he agreed that we weren't buying, we were just test driving but then after we test drove the ego I KNEW this was going to actually work!

 

[tmcase]

I guess some just prefer ignorance and THAT I don't understand!!

A lot of people are just plain anti-smoking and wouldn't approve ecigs even if there was no nic in the juice. They want to stay ignorant.

 

[Scottinboca]

EXACTLY!!!! People in the medical field are even bigger skeptics. It's just like people that don't believe in alternative medicine and people that do believe in it.

I know it does which was why the hubs had trouble getting me there but I went when he agreed that we weren't buying, we were just test driving but then after we test drove the ego I KNEW this was going to actually work!

 

[Marvin & Sennie]

A lot of people are just plain anti-smoking and wouldn't approve ecigs even if there was no nic in the juice. They want to stay ignorant.

I think you are dead on with that statement!! I am anti-ignorance so I guess that makes us even...lol

 

[mikejm]

The point is, fark you.

 

[Marvin & Sennie]

EXACTLY!!!! People in the medical field are even bigger skeptics. It's just like people that don't believe in alternative medicine and people that do believe in it.

Yeah and to me knowledge is power and there is a difference between ignorance because it's never been presented to you, and choosing ignorance because you would prefer to be stupid than to admit that there might just be a better way!

 

[Marvin & Sennie]

The point is, fark you.

lol right on!!

 

[Tail11]

I had my checkup with my allergist this month. He's been after me for years to quit smoking. He's written several prescriptions for Chantix to get me off cigarettes which I never took. This month I proudly told him that I quit smoking, and started vaping. He wasn't overly happy with my announcement, and preceded to tell me nicotine was a drug. I told him it was no worse for you than caffeine and told him to do some research. He said he would, but I doubt that he'll bother.

The medical community is hell bent on pushing drugs or the big tobacco alternatives than exploring something new.

 

[tmcase]

I had my checkup with my allergist this month. He's been after me for years to quit smoking. He's written several prescriptions for Chantix to get me off cigarettes which I never took. This month I proudly told him that I quit smoking, and started vaping. He wasn't overly happy with my announcement, and preceded to tell me nicotine was a drug. I told him it was no worse for you than caffeine and told him to do some research. He said he would, but I doubt that he'll bother.

The medical community is hell bent on pushing drugs or the big tobacco alternatives than exploring something new.

Some doctors probably have researched ecigs and agree that nic is no more harmful that caffeine but their hands are tied by their profession, policy and BP. Doctors, hospitals and BP would all lose money if they promoted ecigs.

 

[vsummer1]

The reason is that we work on "evidence based practice". That means that until there is a study proving we can't be sued for divulging information, we keep our trap shut on our personal opinions. One lawsuit can ruin a career and quite frankly, it isn't worth it. Since there are no studies and the effects of long term vaping are unknown, you aren't likely to get many to go on board. If the patients would stop suing, we would be much more willing to use you as our experimental subjects. I VAPE because I BELIEVE it to be better than smoking cigarettes, but if I were to recommend it to you and you had an allergy to whatever you could then sue me for your bad reaction and promoting an unproven cessation device. Until it is "approved" by our facility, you won't see us putting our necks and livelihood on the line. There are some hospitals that do allow it in the units, and some forbid it within their walls.

Sorry, that is the hard facts. Society is too litigious. Get people to stop suing us for trying to help you and we would.

To the student who is reaching out to patients without a license, I applaud you for your efforts. I also warn you to get some good malpractice insurance and read your coverage very carefully.

 

[Marvin & Sennie]

Some doctors probably have researched ecigs and agree that nic is no more harmful that caffeine but their hands are tied by their profession, policy and BP. Doctors, hospitals and BP would all lose money if they promoted ecigs.

what about their Hippocratic oath?

 

[Scottinboca]

So true! I have a professor that's a Nurse Practitioner, that tells me it's bad and I tell him to look at the facts and the literature. He tells me that he won't and he refuses to believe vaping works and doesn't have a negative impact on health. He chooses to remain ignorant! It pisses me off a little bit, but oh well.

Yeah and to me knowledge is power and there is a difference between ignorance because it's never been presented to you, and choosing ignorance because you would prefer to be stupid than to admit that there might just be a better way!

 

[tmcase]

what about their Hippocratic oath?

I think vsummer said it in a nutshell. Their concern about being sued out weighs the Hippocratic oath. In this sue happy world, I can see her point.

 

[Scottinboca]

So true!!!!!!!!!! We talk about that all the time in our field.

The reason is that we work on "evidence based practice". That means that until there is a study proving we can't be sued for divulging information, we keep our trap shut on our personal opinions. One lawsuit can ruin a career and quite frankly, it isn't worth it. Since there are no studies and the effects of long term vaping are unknown, you aren't likely to get many to go on board. If the patients would stop suing, we would be much more willing to use you as our experimental subjects. I VAPE because I BELIEVE it to be better than smoking cigarettes, but if I were to recommend it to you and you had an allergy to whatever you could then sue me for your bad reaction and promoting an unproven cessation device. Until it is "approved" by our facility, you won't see us putting our necks and livelihood on the line. There are some hospitals that do allow it in the units, and some forbid it within their walls.

Sorry, that is the hard facts. Society is too litigious. Get people to stop suing us for trying to help you and we would.

To the student who is reaching out to patients without a license, I applaud you for your efforts. I also warn you to get some good malpractice insurance and read your coverage very carefully.

 

[Marvin & Sennie]

The reason is that we work on "evidence based practice". That means that until there is a study proving we can't be sued for divulging information, we keep our trap shut on our personal opinions. One lawsuit can ruin a career and quite frankly, it isn't worth it. Since there are no studies and the effects of long term vaping are unknown, you aren't likely to get many to go on board. If the patients would stop suing, we would be much more willing to use you as our experimental subjects. I VAPE because I BELIEVE it to be better than smoking cigarettes, but if I were to recommend it to you and you had an allergy to whatever you could then sue me for your bad reaction and promoting an unproven cessation device. Until it is "approved" by our facility, you won't see us putting our necks and livelihood on the line. There are some hospitals that do allow it in the units, and some forbid it within their walls.

Sorry, that is the hard facts. Society is too litigious. Get people to stop suing us for trying to help you and we would.

To the student who is reaching out to patients without a license, I applaud you for your efforts. I also warn you to get some good malpractice insurance and read your coverage very carefully.

normally I would totally agree with this statement but in this case I saw total disgust on her face. Which frankly just ...... me off at MY reaction to it.

 

[Tail11]

I think vsummer said it in a nutshell. Their concern about being sued out weighs the Hippocratic oath. In this sue happy world, I can see her point.

BP owns these doctors and hospitals. If it's not okay'd by BP, then doctors will continue to push BPs approved medicines. I also agree with the suing part, but I still believe that the medical community is in a stranglehold from BP.