Why does the medical field know so little about vaping?

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Marvin & Sennie

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I think vsummer said it in a nutshell. Their concern about being sued out weighs the Hippocratic oath. In this sue happy world, I can see her point.
yes I know but this was a little different in that she was plainly anti smoking of any sort.
 

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BP really owns the FDA and has all the money in the world to do the research to get their drugs and other stuff "legitimized". If we had billions of dollars to spend on research, the next time you go to the doctor they would say pick up a e-cig b/c they have better results than anything else thats out there.
BP owns these doctors and hospitals. If it's not okay'd by BP, then doctors will continue to push BPs approved medicines. I also agree with the suing part, but I still believe that the medical community is in a stranglehold from BP.
 

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BP really owns the FDA and has all the money in the world to do the research to get their drugs and other stuff "legitimized". If we had billions of dollars to spend on research, the next time you go to the doctor they would say pick up a e-cig b/c they have better results than anything else thats out there.

And the FDA is full of ex big tobacco execs. So we know where that ends up.
 

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what about their Hippocratic oath?

Most doctors don't recite the Hippocratic Oath, they recite the Declaration of Geneva. In any case, not recommending e cigs does not violate either. The fact is - nobody knows what the long term effect of vaping nicotine is. There havent been enough credible studies. A doctor may *believe* it's better - but that's thier own belief and, if they recommended it and turned out to be wrong, it would be more of a violation of thier oath than not recommending it in the first place.

Personally, I don't plan to disclose to my doctor that I vape. He will either approve or disapprove of it and I will continue to vape - until either a study comes out that proves it's harmfull or I personally start to feel it isn't good for me.
 

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Remember...big Pharm pays doctors to prescribe their products, if Blu started paying doctors you can bet a lot of the negative attitude would disappear.

NO, they do not. That would be a kickback. They have more ingenious ways to get them to RX such as paying them for lectures, "educating" them, and freebies. But not cold hard cash. That would be unethical :lol:
 

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Few people out in the real world know anything about cigarettes other then "they are bad for you and everyone else anywhere near them". After all, this is what they have been told for years now over and over again. It only makes sense they would think electronic cigarettes are just as bad as cigarettes. Add to that the fact the the FDA and many other anti groups have been feeding the public for the past few years the information that ecigs are just as dangerous if not MORE dangerous then cigarettes :-x

Fortunately some people can be educated as to the truth and benefits of ecigs but there will remain others with closed minds that will only choose to beleive what the FDA chooses to tell them along with continuing to believe ecigs are the same as smoking. All we can do is educate and stand up for ourselves.

Don't let those that choose to have closed minds take anything away from your accomplishment of giving up smoking because in the long run YOU are the one that is benefiting from giving up smoking and that's what truly matters :)
 

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yes I know but this was a little different in that she was plainly anti smoking of any sort.

I don't tolerate those types well. You see, I do not use or abuse caffeine. So I can use that against them and with a clear conscious amuse myself by asking them to quit THAT addiction and see how they like the shakes and headaches. They usually think they aren't addicted, but I point out the 3 cups of coffee required to get their minds kickstarted, along with all the soda they drink throughout the day. Seriously, there are fools everywhere.

Don't expect them to change their ways unless a study is done. It is REQUIRED of us to give you anti-smoking materials and offer you APPROVED cessation. Unfortunately, vaping is not approved and will not be offered under this requirement until it is. If YOU tell ME you are vaping, I will mark you down as a non-smoker and you won't be given the anti-smoking talk by anyone.

Personally, *as a patient* I would just advise my doctor of my choice and when I go to the hospital, tell them I no longer smoke. End of story. I am not going to argue with the unarmed and I am not going to assume they have any knowledge of an unapproved method. If they happen to notice me vaping in their presence, which I do and will, then we can have a talk. They will either advise me of their ignorance, or will be curious. And they may say I am not allowed to vape in their facility, upon which time I will apologize and put it away. But that hasn't happened to me yet. My dentist office, surgeon's office and doctor's clinic all let me probably because they haven't had anyone else be ballsy enough to do it in front of them as if it was nothing, which is how I treat it. As if it was as natural as you drinking a cup of coffee. Now if I was working, I would not do it in front of patients out of respect for antz and my job should there be complaints. But as a patient, and an educated health provider to boot, I will and do vape there until such time as a policy prevents me.
 

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I don't tolerate those types well. You see, I do not use or abuse caffeine. So I can use that against them and with a clear conscious amuse myself by asking them to quit THAT addiction and see how they like the shakes and headaches. They usually think they aren't addicted, but I point out the 3 cups of coffee required to get their minds kickstarted, along with all the soda they drink throughout the day. Seriously, there are fools everywhere.

Don't expect them to change their ways unless a study is done. It is REQUIRED of us to give you anti-smoking materials and offer you APPROVED cessation. Unfortunately, vaping is not approved and will not be offered under this requirement until it is. If YOU tell ME you are vaping, I will mark you down as a non-smoker and you won't be given the anti-smoking talk by anyone.

Personally, *as a patient* I would just advise my doctor of my choice and when I go to the hospital, tell them I no longer smoke. End of story. I am not going to argue with the unarmed and I am not going to assume they have any knowledge of an unapproved method. If they happen to notice me vaping in their presence, which I do and will, then we can have a talk. They will either advise me of their ignorance, or will be curious. And they may say I am not allowed to vape in their facility, upon which time I will apologize and put it away. But that hasn't happened to me yet. My dentist office, surgeon's office and doctor's clinic all let me probably because they haven't had anyone else be ballsy enough to do it in front of them as if it was nothing, which is how I treat it. As if it was as natural as you drinking a cup of coffee. Now if I was working, I would not do it in front of patients out of respect for antz and my job should there be complaints. But as a patient, and an educated health provider to boot, I will and do vape there until such time as a policy prevents me.

I've gone vegan and run into the same type of zealots that always try to tell me how important to consume animal products are. So I completely understand what you are saying. Our society today is full of people with half baked ideas/info and they think it is the stone hard truth. It's nearly impossible to change someone's mind, even with factual information.

As a woman, I feel the need to tell my doctor that I do vape. Although I'm past the need of birth control, I'd rather the doctor know I was using a nicotine product in case of any reaction to medicine they may prescribe.
 

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My dentist was ecstatic when I quit smoking. Said he's never seen such a huge change (my periodontal disease went away, yay). I offered him some ECF and otherwise vendor business cards so he could give them to his smoker patients, and he said he couldn't suggest something that may be potentially bad to his patients.

Argh!
 

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I've gone vegan and run into the same type of zealots that always try to tell me how important to consume animal products are. So I completely understand what you are saying. Our society today is full of people with half baked ideas/info and they think it is the stone hard truth. It's nearly impossible to change someone's mind, even with factual information.

As a woman, I feel the need to tell my doctor that I do vape. Although I'm past the need of birth control, I'd rather the doctor know I was using a nicotine product in case of any reaction to medicine they may prescribe.

You can always tell people that the reason you're vegan is not because you love animals, but rather because you hate plants...
 

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As a vegan, you may need to take some supplements, to make sure you body get all the vitamins, minerals and essential fatty acids that your body requires to be healthy. Just saying this b/c a lot of vegans have issues b/c they didn't realize that they were missing something that the body requires and can't be produced by the body.
I've gone vegan and run into the same type of zealots that always try to tell me how important to consume animal products are. So I completely understand what you are saying. Our society today is full of people with half baked ideas/info and they think it is the stone hard truth. It's nearly impossible to change someone's mind, even with factual information.

As a woman, I feel the need to tell my doctor that I do vape. Although I'm past the need of birth control, I'd rather the doctor know I was using a nicotine product in case of any reaction to medicine they may prescribe.
 

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One of my doctors is trying to get me to convince his receptionist, who smokes, to take up vaping. So not all are ignorant.
Another doctor spotted my E cigarettes in my shirt pocket 2 seconds after he first saw me. So he knew what they were,too.

Look, it's fairly simple. Perhaps a doctor can't recommend E cigarettes because they're not on the FDA approved list.
But, he should know, as we do, that they're vastly less dangerous than cigarettes and should never discourage any smoker
from vaping. If he does, he needs some education. This will come with time.
 

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As a vegan, you may need to take some supplements, to make sure you body get all the vitamins, minerals and essential fatty acids that your body requires to be healthy. Just saying this b/c a lot of vegans have issues b/c they didn't realize that they were missing something that the body requires and can't be produced by the body.

Thank you Scott. I do take the correct supplements and make sure I eat healthy instead of vegan junk food!
 

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I've ceased caring what people think of me quitting smoking with an ecig. I try and educate them, if they aren't receptive I go on my happy way. I could really care less. I smoked for 21 years and quit with ecigs almost 2 years ago if people want to remain ignorant that's their issue. It's really funny when smokers get all high and mighty about me quitting with an ecig, I usually respond with something like have all the COPD and cancer you like as for me I'll keep on vaping :vapor:
 

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Those who nay-say vaping are often the '...oh, just quit!' crowd. They don't get it and most likely never will.
As there are no long term studies and society is so litigious, I would never demand of a health care professional that they jeopardize their entire career for an opinion. It's not about money, it's about someone's chosen profession - their life.
 
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