Why don't people want e-liquid labels changed?
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I'm not against it and I'm not sure who is. Can you elaborate on what label changes you're speaking of?
I'm pretty embarrassed I didn't think of that immediately,the shop I go to mix my juice there so I suppose that's a reason for the lack of a fancy label, you've already bought the juice by the time you see the bottle.
I suppose the most obvious option would be to do something similar to alcohol bottles, they aren't all too childish but all easily recognisable and distinguishable.
I'd personally like to see some bottle art go the way of Smuttynose, Bell's, Founder's, etc
The labels that need changing are the ones with bright colors and cartoon characters and such, that could be seen as appealing to children. Not because we think they will appeal to children, but because we don't need the politicians crying about how appealing they think they are to them.
bovine scat!!!
Rules will be imposed...regardless of what the people/users want or need. Are you new to the USA?
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Yes but just because they are already using weapons against us, doesn't mean we should be providing them with any more ammo...bovine scat!!!
Rules will be imposed...regardless of what the people/users want or need. Are you new to the USA?
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If you are going to change the designs on the bottles then you should really change the name too...
For example, the liquid line by Suck My Mod called 'Suck My Juice', which sounds like an instruction for what to do with the contents of the bottle.
Personally I am happy for the juice labels/names to remain the same and for the responsibility for children drinking the liquids to rest with the parents.
The only way to give them 'no ammo' is to only sell unflavoured liquid in plain bottles with a big 'poison warning'.
For example, the liquid line by Suck My Mod called 'Suck My Juice', which sounds like an instruction for what to do with the contents of the bottle.
Personally I am happy for the juice labels/names to remain the same and for the responsibility for children drinking the liquids to rest with the parents.
The only way to give them 'no ammo' is to only sell unflavoured liquid in plain bottles with a big 'poison warning'.
It is possible I am missing your point completely but here are my 
on what I think you are after.
This (of course) is solely my opinion but I don't think people are necessarily against label changes. In other words, if all juice companies suddenly said we are all going to just keep our juice the same but instead of pictures we are just going to use bland typed out stickers, people that are current customers wouldn't give a rats behind because they would already be familiar with the brand. On the other hand ( and some will not agree) we, as humans, tend to buy with our eyes. I will put it this way. If you are not familiar with two different restaurants on either side of the road and you are hungry and one shows a picture of wonderfully crafted burgers, fries and a yummy cold shake, or maybe a scenic view or funky cartoon while the other just says "Good Restaurant", where are you going to eat. I would say most people are going to eat at the one with the fun pictures. I think people that argue for label designs to be the choice of the companies are looking at a much larger picture then just guarding our vaping rights. We (because I am in that camp) are looking at the small company that is trying to attract customers and recognizing that branding, and product name and description are hugely important. We are looking at the fact that we no longer want to feel SHAME for vaping nor be put in a corner with our old habit of smoking. We also recognize that adult products out there (alcohol mostly) are presently allowed to have this freedom to chose their branding as long as infringement laws are not crossed. And although I may have other points I will put this as my last one, we (I) firmly believe people (parents, grandparents, childcare providers, or whoever is watching the children) are RESPONSIBLE for safe guarding them and all poisons regardless of labeling (alcohol and ejuice included) should be in a place that absolutely cannot be accessed by children. This also includes sharp cooking knives and guns. We need to watch our children around dangerous items. I have said this before and I will say it again here. My grandchildren have no idea what labels are on my juice because it is in my bedroom in a locked cabinet. And if I was dripping around them. My juice would be on me. Children are curious and that is why we must teach them about dangers and also try to make sure they cannot access them. In the end, however, if all labels had to be plain, I would be fine with it.
on what I think you are after.This (of course) is solely my opinion but I don't think people are necessarily against label changes. In other words, if all juice companies suddenly said we are all going to just keep our juice the same but instead of pictures we are just going to use bland typed out stickers, people that are current customers wouldn't give a rats behind because they would already be familiar with the brand. On the other hand ( and some will not agree) we, as humans, tend to buy with our eyes. I will put it this way. If you are not familiar with two different restaurants on either side of the road and you are hungry and one shows a picture of wonderfully crafted burgers, fries and a yummy cold shake, or maybe a scenic view or funky cartoon while the other just says "Good Restaurant", where are you going to eat. I would say most people are going to eat at the one with the fun pictures. I think people that argue for label designs to be the choice of the companies are looking at a much larger picture then just guarding our vaping rights. We (because I am in that camp) are looking at the small company that is trying to attract customers and recognizing that branding, and product name and description are hugely important. We are looking at the fact that we no longer want to feel SHAME for vaping nor be put in a corner with our old habit of smoking. We also recognize that adult products out there (alcohol mostly) are presently allowed to have this freedom to chose their branding as long as infringement laws are not crossed. And although I may have other points I will put this as my last one, we (I) firmly believe people (parents, grandparents, childcare providers, or whoever is watching the children) are RESPONSIBLE for safe guarding them and all poisons regardless of labeling (alcohol and ejuice included) should be in a place that absolutely cannot be accessed by children. This also includes sharp cooking knives and guns. We need to watch our children around dangerous items. I have said this before and I will say it again here. My grandchildren have no idea what labels are on my juice because it is in my bedroom in a locked cabinet. And if I was dripping around them. My juice would be on me. Children are curious and that is why we must teach them about dangers and also try to make sure they cannot access them. In the end, however, if all labels had to be plain, I would be fine with it.
if all the juice labels were plain and boring and all basically looked the same, I would have issues with it, I would eventually grab the wrong bottle and drip a bunch of my Wifeys juice into my atty and then proceed to throw up... lets leave well enuf alone... it seems to be working fine...
I'm probably one of the people you're talking about, but I think you're misunderstanding the point.
As said above, if all the companies decided on their own to change their labels, I wouldn't care.
The problem I have is giving ANTZ or evil politicians ANY power to limit how juice companies brand their juice. If you think that changing labels is going to satisfy them, you couldn't be more wrong. It will just inflate their ideas that they're doing the right thing by trying to stop vaping.
I know it's nearly dead in this country, but I still believe in freedom. And I still believe it is the children's caregivers' responsibility to keep them safe from dangerous things, not my responsibility, not the juice company's responsibility.
As said above, if all the companies decided on their own to change their labels, I wouldn't care.
The problem I have is giving ANTZ or evil politicians ANY power to limit how juice companies brand their juice. If you think that changing labels is going to satisfy them, you couldn't be more wrong. It will just inflate their ideas that they're doing the right thing by trying to stop vaping.
I know it's nearly dead in this country, but I still believe in freedom. And I still believe it is the children's caregivers' responsibility to keep them safe from dangerous things, not my responsibility, not the juice company's responsibility.
Each time you bend over and take it from our overreaching government, they pound it home. Stop bending over. 
Personally I don't care what regulations regarding the labels are put in place. Frankly I find the naming and branding of some of the vaping products silly at best and stupid at worse. Thankfully I don't rely on store bought juice so my exposure to the issue is rather limited.
I believe e-liquids should be labeled and packed in a very factual and neutral manner, simmilar to supplements or pharmaceuticals. After all, the drug is potent and has health implications. It is not a recreational drug, but most people consume it around the clock. Coffee on the other hand has a whole lot less advantages and much more annoying tolerance/withdrawal symptoms, which makes it less of a concern in that regard.
Including factual information, such as origin, extraction methods and exact chemical composition only gives advantages to the consumer and somewhat emphasizes that it is not a "fun drug". Which it really isn't, if you think about it.
Including factual information, such as origin, extraction methods and exact chemical composition only gives advantages to the consumer and somewhat emphasizes that it is not a "fun drug". Which it really isn't, if you think about it.
advertising,labeling and flavor restrictions didn't work for
cigarettes.i have no reason to believe the same failed
restrictions would work for e-juice.
i say make your product the way you want. it is not
giving ammo to the ANTZ's unfounded fear mongering.
what gives ammo to the ANTZ is when they can say
look even vapers think these idea's are good. as
they did when it was concerning cigarettes.
none of these restrictions stopped one underage
person from smoking,not one. they will not stop
one underage person from vaping.
these restrictions are a giant canard devised to
splinter our opinions and nothing more.
i say we all give these restrictions the middle
appendage,not just for ourselves but, for any
and all other causes that hides behind the
chillin'.
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mike
cigarettes.i have no reason to believe the same failed
restrictions would work for e-juice.
i say make your product the way you want. it is not
giving ammo to the ANTZ's unfounded fear mongering.
what gives ammo to the ANTZ is when they can say
look even vapers think these idea's are good. as
they did when it was concerning cigarettes.
none of these restrictions stopped one underage
person from smoking,not one. they will not stop
one underage person from vaping.
these restrictions are a giant canard devised to
splinter our opinions and nothing more.
i say we all give these restrictions the middle
appendage,not just for ourselves but, for any
and all other causes that hides behind the
chillin'.
regards
mike
Well it shouldn't be about restrictions imho, but about consumer choices.
To me it just looks unprofessional if someone is putting colorful bananas or pictures of comic super heros on a label of a quite powerful drug. Of course it is just a label, but its job is to make an impression on people which they then use to make product choices. And I would rather want to have the impression that I am buying from a company that handles my juice with the care and rigorous quality assessments as seen in pharmaceuticals, not banana markets.
To me it just looks unprofessional if someone is putting colorful bananas or pictures of comic super heros on a label of a quite powerful drug. Of course it is just a label, but its job is to make an impression on people which they then use to make product choices. And I would rather want to have the impression that I am buying from a company that handles my juice with the care and rigorous quality assessments as seen in pharmaceuticals, not banana markets.
Unfortunately they are attacking Founders as well.
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I watched GrimmGreen's vlog yesterday and he talked about this for a while. The blatant copyright infringement is just that, you can't call your juice Cinnamon Toast Crunch and use the box art from that cereal and not expect General Mills to not come after you. The cartoon character's on e juice bottles - why give the ANTZ more ammunition to use against us? We all know these companies are not trying to get kids to like e juice but from an outsider perspective, it kind of looks that way when you see some of these labels.
Of course it can be silly and sometimes stupid. I am in my 50's so something that I find stupid, silly or more geared toward sex then vaping a young man or woman in their 20's may think is pretty cool or funny. I may not want to vape something called "monkey giz" or whatever but I try to remember what it is to be young and silly too. I know you are not arguing this....I am just making another point that bounces off of yours. I still think it should be up to the company trying to sell their product though as to what type of crowd they want to attract.
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