This reminds me of the Tide pods incidents kids were eatting them thinking they were candy. Supposedly the see through container was to blame the kids could see them inside thinking they were coloful candy bites. I find this ludicrous its the parents duty to make a safe environment for there children keep them out of site and out of childrens reach problem solved. Is the label really gonna make the difference if a kid wants to taste test it i highly doubt it. Kids are curious creatures and always will be...
Why don't people want e-liquid labels changed?
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I understand this position, but I disagree that it is effectively true.
Like I said before nicotine is a powerful drug. For comparison: cars are dangerous machines and so are power tools. Every adult partly buys products with the motivation of a child, because we were all once children. In fact our childhood and adolescence determines most of our personality and values.
If you suddenly saw advertizements for dangerous products that merely emphasized this childish motivation, you would say that this isn't good either. E.g. adults doing competitive and riskly racing games, winning with the faster car. Or adults having fun using propane torches to set their trash on fire, with emphasis on the fun it is to burn things to ashes. "Do you want to be the ultimate master of flames? Buy this torch and burn everything you can!", just a matter of imagination how that can look like. I mean it would be fun advertisements imho, and every adult knows exactly what responsibilities they have and what they can and can't do. So to adults it is harmless, no one is motivated to burn their house down or what not. But the ad would also appeal too much to children and give them the wrong message. And children or adolescents don't really have this awareness. And so people will dislike them.
Advertisements are not a matter of intention, because they always will target whatever they can to sell the product. They are the primary means of survival for a company. So they reach up to a point where people and other legal entities complain that it infringes their rights, harms society, or whatever uncharted territories they go into. Simply those who went the furthest will be the most likely to survive.
Nicotine juice started off with plain labels and now we see the colorful and playful stuff breaking through. Companies always intent to give the consumer the most satisfactory experience, including to whom they market to and what intentions they present. From a point of conscious intentent the people who run companies always want to do everything just right. But from the point of view of the company as a commercial entity, this also conflicts with sales. Be that concerning quality, or social and moral values. It is important to remember that it is really a process of capitalistic natural selection, and much less a process of people's actions and intentions. Companies are not people, they are commercial entities in an abstract system that we created, where they need to grow and survive. People are merely employed to act in their favor.
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Copyright infringement is one thing that I do think needs to be followed as it would with any product. I believe one company had to change the color of the rabbit on their ejuice with a similar name of a cereal with a rabbit as the model for it. I think it is clear without having to use names. The other thing about the ANTZ, however, I don't agree with. I used to, but then I woke up and realized that they (ANTZ)are going to find reasons (even if made up, junk science) to try to scare people away from vaping and enforce regulation. If we allow that by saying it is ok to shame us into that box then we have lost this battle right from the get go. I want to be a proud vaper!! I hope we, as vapers, make it through this storm of ANTZ. Not only make it through but come out the other side feeling good about being a vaper and not having to hide in shame in the corners along with the smokeys (I hated feeling that shame). And if we do not make it through and the ANTZ win, it will not be due to some labels!! In the meantime, I chose to stand strong and proud as a vaper, vote, advocate and try to look at the whole picture instead of just how this all effects me.
I'm saddened that America has become what it is now. I may get this a little wrong but I think Thomas Jefferson said" anyone that will give up liberty for safety deserves neither" . I'm the same way with this subject. I'm not doing anything wrong by vaping so I refuse to hide behind anything to do it. If juice makers want to put cartoon stuff on their labels then they should do it. I'm so tired of the nanny state we've allowed this country to become. When trans fat was banned from food I knew what was coming. If nothing changes we eventually won't be allowed to do ANYTHING without a government official literally holding our hands telling us if it's ok or not. I'm sorry this is a bit incoherent lol. I just get very passionate about this type thing. Also I know many members here are not American but I was speaking exclusively about the US
Naturally there's the option of havin your juice came in a colourful box, but havin the bottle plain.
Kids don't get that sick from eating cardboard.
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Kids don't get that sick from eating cardboard.
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I think they should put pink ribbons on EVERYTHING... oh wait, they already do... so let's have pink ribbons on ejuice too! Why not, they're on everything else!
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Any company should be able to create a brand/image that suits their product, whatever it is. If we as consumers, don't like it - don't buy it.
It really P***** me off that vaping is being subjected to these numerous and unjustified attacks, just because someone's revenue stream is being threatened. Politicians have long forgotten that governments should be there to serve the people, not to fulfil their own self-serving ambitions and personal greed
It really P***** me off that vaping is being subjected to these numerous and unjustified attacks, just because someone's revenue stream is being threatened. Politicians have long forgotten that governments should be there to serve the people, not to fulfil their own self-serving ambitions and personal greed
Personally I would like more info on my bottle.. BUT, I DO NOT WANT THE GOVERNMENT OR ANY ADVOCACY GROUPS INVOLVED IN ANY WAY. I don't need warnings, I don't need nutritional info, I don't need pretty pictures, I only want to know the product in the bottle is what I ordered. Art work and graphics cost money. Pretty costs more than PLAIN.
I've always been a rock music fan. When I was a kid the parental advisory explicit lyrics sticker was born and only served to make me want a certain album more lol. To this day I won't buy cds anywhere that doesn't sell unedited cds. I've grown up so that sticker doesn't draw me in like it used to but I believe in artistic freedom. Label art on bottles are just that. They are ART. The only person who should have the right to censor a piece of art is the original artist who created the said piece of art.
The label on my Bottles does Not Effect the Taste of my e-Liquids in Any Way, Shape or Form.
I would like to see the Perception of Marketing gear towards Children NOT be a Huge Stumbling point during the coming FDA Deeming Approval Process in the Senate.
But Unfortunately, the More bottle labels ANTZ Senators can hold up with Cartoon Characters on them will makes getting any Reasonable Regulations passed Harder.
BTW - If Anyone does Not Know or Understand what type of High Ranking Senators we are Up Against, or the Degree to which they will Fight over the Perception of Marking towards Children, please view this Senate Hearing replay...
E-Cigarette Marketing | Video | C-SPAN.org
Then come back and say if you think Marketing with Anything that can give these Senator MORE Ammunition is a good thing.
I would like to see the Perception of Marketing gear towards Children NOT be a Huge Stumbling point during the coming FDA Deeming Approval Process in the Senate.
But Unfortunately, the More bottle labels ANTZ Senators can hold up with Cartoon Characters on them will makes getting any Reasonable Regulations passed Harder.
BTW - If Anyone does Not Know or Understand what type of High Ranking Senators we are Up Against, or the Degree to which they will Fight over the Perception of Marking towards Children, please view this Senate Hearing replay...
E-Cigarette Marketing | Video | C-SPAN.org
Then come back and say if you think Marketing with Anything that can give these Senator MORE Ammunition is a good thing.
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If i ever start a company making juice..They are going to be named things like,I'm The Boogieman or I'm the Monster in your closet or Freddie Kruger.
They will probably come after me for attracting teen crowds then..
They will probably come after me for attracting teen crowds then..
Wow, and such people are allowed to keep their position? He is not impartial at all, nor objective, nor rational about the matter. He just keeps condemning perfectly normal product advertizing as immoral (such as free samples and sponsorships). His reaction is extremely emotional. Personally I would regard anyone with such a lack of emotional self-control as unfit for duty.
His viewpoint and line of arguments are maybe appropriate for some average Joe's opinion, but far from anything that qualifies for a position of political power.
Maybe he is just trying to be manipulative, but that should be frowned upon by other politicians.
Edit: I am listening to the second senator John Thune now. That's more what I would expect from someone qualified for the position. Very rational and comprehensive viewpoint, not trying to just moralize and shame to no ends.
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Yeah... It Boggles the Mind that there are People like those in that Hearing who are going to Decide the Fate of the e-Cigarette Market.
But that is the REAL World as we know it.
Now do you See why I take the Position that I do?
BTW - You Probably haven't gotten to the Point where Barbara Boxer speaks yet. You are in for a Treat!
A word of Advise: Put a piece of Clear Cling Wrap over you Computer Monitor when she comes on. That way when you start Frothing at the Month, and Spitting at your Screen, you can just peel the Cling Wrap off when she is Done.
What I would really like to see is vendors selling just unflavored nicotine, with very neutral and informative packaging, in higher quantities.
Then you only buy the flavoring agent in an otherwise empty bottle. Put the nicotine from the big bottle inside, shake, done. This is much more versatile than how it is now and you end up paying less.
Until some month ago, I even had difficulties finding unflavored nicotine online at all. I really dislike all flavoring.
Then you only buy the flavoring agent in an otherwise empty bottle. Put the nicotine from the big bottle inside, shake, done. This is much more versatile than how it is now and you end up paying less.
Until some month ago, I even had difficulties finding unflavored nicotine online at all. I really dislike all flavoring.
There is a Very Real Possibility that the sale of e-Liquids in Liquid Form will be Banned. And that the Only way to Obtain e-Liquids will be in Closed System, Pre-Filled Cartridges.
But People don't seem to Interested in this. They would Rather Talk about why retailers should have the Right to label their "Juice" with Cartoons or Images of Adolescent Girls wielding Chainsaws.
Something that No Amount of Fighting will be able to Preserve.
If you believe we need to protect the children from e-liquid, you probably have no issue requiring plain labels.
If you believe we should concede to the perception that we need to protect the children from e-liquid you probably think we should concede this one. Consider how far that perception extends though, what are you not willing to concede? Online sales, open container systems, >12mg concentrations, flavors other than tobacco/menthol, etc.
If you believe that the claim that bright colors, cartoon images, etc., are marketing to children is false, you may have a problem with requiring companies to use plain labels.
I guess it just depends on what you believe, and how much you're willing to compromise.
If you believe we should concede to the perception that we need to protect the children from e-liquid you probably think we should concede this one. Consider how far that perception extends though, what are you not willing to concede? Online sales, open container systems, >12mg concentrations, flavors other than tobacco/menthol, etc.
If you believe that the claim that bright colors, cartoon images, etc., are marketing to children is false, you may have a problem with requiring companies to use plain labels.
I guess it just depends on what you believe, and how much you're willing to compromise.
Lately though, I've noted a lot of newcomers in the DIY threads, just because of this impending and very real threat.
The posts I most enjoy are those from vapers who have a whole family full of vapers, and 5 liters of 100mg nicotine in the freezer -- "I won't go without nicotine, and neither will anyone I know" kinds of posts.
I don't know any other vapers, personally, but I feel just the same.
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Some of us are very interested, and recognize that the "justification" for both is one and the same, and is ludicrous.
Because people can't possibly care about more than one thing at a time. Are you an artist? I am and I have the right to make art however I want to. Just because you don't care about this profession doesn't make it less meaningful
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