I also am capable of voting for someone for more than just one issue. Image that
Why don't people want e-liquid labels changed?
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This may blow some minds but I'm actually typing on a phone, vaping, walking around and watching a guy work on my truck. I don't know how I became so blessed as to be able to focus on more than one thing at a time? . I remember when I use to not be able to walk and chew gum at the same time
I never said that. And you Know it. My concerns are the FDA Approval Process.
Once Again, its about the Approval Process. And you know that Acknowledging the Reality of One Issue doesn't mean you are going to Concede Every Issue. Don't Move the Goal Post.
BTW - Internet Sales are Probably Gone also. Go read the FSAPCA. Face-to-Face Only Sales of "Tobacco Products" is at the Foundation of that act.
Does Matter what I believe. Or Even what is Right or Wrong.
What Matters is How Many Senators who are in the Middle we can Convince to Oppose Restrictive Regulations. Promoting Anything that has the Appearance of Marking to Children is going to Make it Very Difficult to those swing Senators to side with Us. No Senator is going to Side with Us if His/Her Voters/Money Givers feel his Image is of Not Caring about "the Children".
I will Compromise Quit a Bit if it can Help More People Get Off Cigarettes and have the Ability to Switch to e-Cigarettes like I did.
"Conceding", as you say, Labeling isn't even a Concession to me. Labeling Doesn't effect the Taste of an e-Liquid. But it Will effect how Some Senators Vote during the FDA Approval Process.
My post wasn't directed at you specifically. I know your views, and I believe I know your beliefs as well. I was merely trying to explain three separate viewpoints.
We disagree on the best way to go about saving vaping, and that's okay, we don't have to agree. If I understand your views correctly, you believe our best bet is to work within the current framework to achieve an agreeable compromise, hopefully without giving up too much of vaping as we know it. I believe that vaping is not "tobacco use" and that it deserves its own framework.
I do recognize that my view is not likely to be fruitful in the short term. I honestly don't think yours will be either, so much is already set in motion. Until we can get public perception to recognize that vaping is wholly different from smoking, we're stuck scraping by with whatever we're left with. I feel that the long term goal of separating vaping from tobacco use will be most beneficial, eventually.
I think if we had More Time, that things like your Approach could work More Efficiently.
Because Every Month that goes by, Public Perception of e-Cigarettes gets Better and Better. And the Naysayers and ANTZ Arguments hold less Sway.
But the Sand is Almost out of the Glass.
And Senators are Calling for the FDA's Deeming to be Submitted to Congress Soon.
Its censorship im against. Freedom of speech. Free market. Things of that nature.
Furthermore, it humors me, people thinking this is realy about the vaping juice that is appealing to kids. Government wants money, thats all.
True. And I can actually understand that a lot better than all the haters who just want smokers and now vapers to suffer. What I'd like to see? Any taxes assessed on the sale of ejuice or liquid nicotine be applied to the investigation and prosecution of those guilty of criminal malfeasance with the MSA funds and the bonds sold against them. They were actually betting on the continued addiction and death of all smokers, and that needs to be treated as what it is: a crime.
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Personally I don't care what people choose to use as label art for anything.
I just get tired of being part of an adult populace that gets treated like children. Being "protected" from things because there are idiots in the world.. 20 years ago this would have been such a ridiculous argument in general especially in america. The world is going crazy with nanyism. To the point that they get us to do it to each other in an attempt to placate to those that would be our nannies. If I weren't living in it I'd say this was some sort of cheap Orwell knock off novel.
I just get tired of being part of an adult populace that gets treated like children. Being "protected" from things because there are idiots in the world.. 20 years ago this would have been such a ridiculous argument in general especially in america. The world is going crazy with nanyism. To the point that they get us to do it to each other in an attempt to placate to those that would be our nannies. If I weren't living in it I'd say this was some sort of cheap Orwell knock off novel.
OMG! That....That Label Has A Picture Of A Cookie On It. Shield Your Childs Eyes, It Will Surely Turn Them Into Vape Zombies. (or maybe not)
It's all to appease the ANTZ Gods at the Deeming hearings (AKA the vaping Inquisition).
It's all to appease the ANTZ Gods at the Deeming hearings (AKA the vaping Inquisition).
Do you remember Joe Camel? Where did he go again?
I agree that it's a ridiculous argument, unfortunately the masses, and the people who "represent" them, are not always rational.
Andria may remember.... Several years ago. we changed the Georgia State flag. Miraculously, as a result, all of our problems disappeared and everyone has been happy ever since.
You imply people don't care about issues other than label art. That's where it came fromWhere did This Come From?
OK... Just not sure how we made the Jump to that I don't think this Profession is Meaningful?
Well I had several posts leading up to that. I basically meant I'm a artist but even if I wasn't I'd still respect art. You dismiss the label art so easily. Studies have been done showing how images, sounds and other factors can change the way the human mind responds to things like taste. That is why all food and beverage companies have marketing departments. They hire artist and in that way label art can seemingly influence taste with some people. I hate book burning, censored music and any other ways people stifle creativity. And none of that means" I prefer to talk about label art than the other issues. This thread was specifically about label art so I and others discussed label art
And yet Chester Cheetah is still out there flogging that food-like substance, "Cheetos".
Which kids snarf down by the truckload... hey Ms Obama, let's get Chester Cheetah to run some laps! Andria
So do mine.
But if we regulate to stop companies from using cartoonish labels what is next? Colored liquids? Flavored liquids?
Now I agree 100% with going after any and all the ones that are using trademarked names/logos/characters
But a child that is going to put something into their mouth is not going to care what, if anything, is printed on it
Which is why children are supposed to be supervised by parents or other ATTENTIVE care-givers. Just because some people have abdicated their parental responsibilities, is no reason for the gov't to assume them.
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