Why don't people want e-liquid labels changed?
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that's because your not looking.
half of the eighty percent of non-vapers/smokers are to busy working
to make ends meet. the other half are on the dole and don't wan't to
rock the boat.
do you realize only 0.002 % of the population is actually
involved from the grass roots level up to elected officials
in the law making process?
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mike
This kinda speaks to the reason I don't like this stuff. The government in whatever form is going to do what they're going to do in our case.. vaping keeps them from being able to steal a large chunk of "tax" money from their constituents, they will get that money in one way or another no matter what they have to do in order to meet those ends.
So why would we help them by arguing amongst ourselves over things like cartoon characters and pretty labels?
Geez I feel like I'm in that wannabe orwell book again.
You got it! Most of us complain about a nanny state" And yet that is what we want. Responsible parenting in the USA is pretty much a thing of the past. 10 commandments in school? Morals should be taught at home. Math at school.
we do not need standards.
we already have them.
if some one making juice is not using food grade or higher
ingredients they are by definition not making e-juice.
all the ingredients, the PG,VG,flavorings and nic base
are already made to FDA specifications.
how do you make a specification for something
made with ingredients that are already made to
such a stringent standard in the first place?
just be careful and get the nic % correct and
the worst possible out come is bad tasting juice.
the very nature of the ingredients in e-juice and
the utter simplicity of the manufacturing process
make it incredibly easy and safe to make.
really there is no magic,mystery or special culinary
expertise needed to make it.
there are already all the necessary production
protections existing in law right now to insure
a safe reliable product. making a cake is more complicated
and dangerous.
regulation standards are an ANTZ trap.
regards
mike
Only fines if you violate a law or regulation. Fees for what?
I don't have kids, call me selfish, don't care. At the same time, my friends with kids understand they have to be diligent and do their best to prepare them for the big world. You can only hope they do a good job!
Then there are the folks that have an entire clutch of kids an expect the gooberment to parent for them and pay them to do it!!
That's where my problem lies!
Little more off topic but had to say it!!
Then there are the folks that have an entire clutch of kids an expect the gooberment to parent for them and pay them to do it!!
That's where my problem lies!
Little more off topic but had to say it!!
It is not just the ones with a big clutch of kids expecting the govt to pay for them. Responsible parenting is mostly dead in the USA. I do say mostly.
This is one of the best comments on this thread. I salute you Neal. Also prohibition never stopped anything. And I will guaranty I will vape as long as I want to . Throughout history I've admired the ones that stood up for what they believe. I see no honor in conceding half the industry away . I will be vaping away as I fight the real enemies. Meanwhile some vapers will be continuing to fight me over non issues
I would go back to cigs if they had Foghorn Leghorn on the packs.
yeah right.
yeah right.
I agree. For example... my mother thought it was horrible that I allowed our son to watch such things as "Buffy the Vampire Slayer"... but you see, I had already explained to him that vampires and suchlike monsters aren't real, they're fantasy, like comic-book heroes. On the other hand, I made him wait till he was 16 to see "Schindler's List"... because the monsters in that movie really existed, and were ostensibly human beings -- to me, that's far scarier and far more disturbing than some TV vampire.
Andria
If Government held a gun to my head and said: "Quit vaping or you die."
I would reply: "Pull the trigger."
I spent 27 years giving Big Tobacco and the Gov't my hard earned money for a product that (would have) killed me.
No more!
I would reply: "Pull the trigger."
I spent 27 years giving Big Tobacco and the Gov't my hard earned money for a product that (would have) killed me.
No more!
And the bottom line is that Lost Art got exactly what they were after Media Attention (free advertising). Advertising does not always need to be positive to have a positive impact on the bottom line.
I will say that these folks care a lot more about their business profits in the short term.
They did Get a Lot of Media Attention.
And maybe even 5% had a Positive Impact on Policy Makers and their Money Givers.
Hey I love Art. And have a lot of Respect for those who Create it.
Take this for Example...
G2 Vapor 15ml G2 Vapor 15ml - $7.50
Very Cool Art. Good Staging. Nice Tonal colors in the Background. And I think the Artist who created this did a Fantasic Job of Capturing the Essence of Youth in her eyes and the Slightly toed in feet. Throw in the Contrast of the Chainsaw and Blood splatters. Good Stuff.
But.
To put this Image on a Bottle of e-Liquid is just Asking ANTZ Senators to present this during a FDA Deeming Hearing and Claim that e-Cigarette Companies are Marketing to Minors.
Doesn't have Anything to do with Not Respecting Art or Artists.
Why do People/Retailers want to Help ANTZ Senators make the e-Cigarette Industry Look Bad?
Please do not take this as an attack, but this question been answered several time in several ways. It seems that you might not want to be open to the explanation. I wonder if there is any point as it is like knocking on a door when you know nobody is home, but I will try to give my answer one more time. I do not feel that supporting freedom of label art is giving the ANTZ help. They are going to crash our vape party no matter what the packaging is. All we are doing by submitting to this scare tactic is letting them know we can be bullied into giving up these freedom. I could be wrong, but I think it was you that posted a link to a very long vape marketing meeting. I watched it from start to finish and it is obvious that there is very little that will change the minds of ANTZ in our favor. It makes me think of the bully at school that takes a kids lunch money. At first the kid probably thinks, I would rather go without lunch then get beaten so $1.00 is a small price to pay for that. What the poor kid doesn't realize is that the bully will take more and more until the beatings just come for the sake of beating. We need to stand strong against these bullies and show them that we are not willing to give them one inch, one dollar, or one submission of label art. That is as long as other laws (copyright) not the problem. Just as a side note, just because the cartoon is of an adolescent that is a very adult image. Troubling (hahaha) but adult.
Call me shallow but I like cool looking things. I enjoy a good label and don't want to trade that for plain packaging with a number and a color code to bow down to ANTZ who kick you again after you lick their jackboots anyway...
I am with you. I have to admit to getting some juice just for the bottle. I feel badly for the chap that doesn't seek out fun, cool, awesome to look at things in life.
I do want more info on labels.
I just DONT want the Fed to have control over it.
Think about this for a moment before you knee jerk and respond emotionally and start crying about dead or injured children. I have kids too, 3, 15 & 17 years old. My 3 year old is fascinated with everything about my vaping and is always wanting to "help". Bring me my things, help me drip, help me clean atty's, help me wrap coils....etc.
I'm constantly thanking him for his offer of help and then reassuring him that these things are daddy's and that he is never to touch them. Kinda like the guns. No touch. I keep my chit out of his reach. I monitor my own actions, take responsibility and accept the RISK that an accident may happen. He may get into my chit and he may drink down a whole bottle of e juice, but the last thing I'll do in response to that is sue someone or go an Capitol Hill demanding Congress does something about my dead or injured son.
Have you been to the DMV lately? Have you heard of the condition of welfare, Social Security, the Veterans Administration, the Federal Checkbook, the EPA, FDA.....
All of these entities are things that government has been in control of for decades and they are so effed up its really not even funny.
Um, Jesus people, most of us wanted to vape to get off cigarettes (which are regulated be SEVERAL Federal Government agencies for God's sake), (HELLO, frikking irony alert should be a full volume here) do you really want the SAME EXACT AGENCIES who ALLOWED all that extra chit to be sprayed on your tobacco in charge of what goes in your e juice. Are you STUPID? Are you even awake?
The EPA and the FDA will tell you that Monsanto's Roundup is safe to spray all over your food, have you done any of your own research of how bad for humans and the environment Roundup is. I encourage you to do so. Remerber DDT, in the late 60's? Um, Agent Orange.....approved by YOUR GOVERNMENT.
Then ask yourself, can you just be a grown up and manage your own life, take RESPONSIBILITY for your own decisions and actions....please.
I just DONT want the Fed to have control over it.
Think about this for a moment before you knee jerk and respond emotionally and start crying about dead or injured children. I have kids too, 3, 15 & 17 years old. My 3 year old is fascinated with everything about my vaping and is always wanting to "help". Bring me my things, help me drip, help me clean atty's, help me wrap coils....etc.
I'm constantly thanking him for his offer of help and then reassuring him that these things are daddy's and that he is never to touch them. Kinda like the guns. No touch. I keep my chit out of his reach. I monitor my own actions, take responsibility and accept the RISK that an accident may happen. He may get into my chit and he may drink down a whole bottle of e juice, but the last thing I'll do in response to that is sue someone or go an Capitol Hill demanding Congress does something about my dead or injured son.
Have you been to the DMV lately? Have you heard of the condition of welfare, Social Security, the Veterans Administration, the Federal Checkbook, the EPA, FDA.....
All of these entities are things that government has been in control of for decades and they are so effed up its really not even funny.
Um, Jesus people, most of us wanted to vape to get off cigarettes (which are regulated be SEVERAL Federal Government agencies for God's sake), (HELLO, frikking irony alert should be a full volume here) do you really want the SAME EXACT AGENCIES who ALLOWED all that extra chit to be sprayed on your tobacco in charge of what goes in your e juice. Are you STUPID? Are you even awake?
The EPA and the FDA will tell you that Monsanto's Roundup is safe to spray all over your food, have you done any of your own research of how bad for humans and the environment Roundup is. I encourage you to do so. Remerber DDT, in the late 60's? Um, Agent Orange.....approved by YOUR GOVERNMENT.
Then ask yourself, can you just be a grown up and manage your own life, take RESPONSIBILITY for your own decisions and actions....please.
We need unbiased data to base our decisions on. But big money interests pushes their data in our face thru buying the government and the media.
virtually everyone disses data that does not support their viewpoints. Vapers, non vapers, etc are most all alike in this apsect.
virtually everyone disses data that does not support their viewpoints. Vapers, non vapers, etc are most all alike in this apsect.
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