Why don't people want e-liquid labels changed?
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And many do not want to manage their own lives. Why many turn to a religion or other group to follow.
While there are always those who need help, there are also those not affiliated with governments who will help; one has to be ready and willing to change, however, or they will live the rest of their lives dependent on governments or others who feed on the helplessness of others...
We help ourselves. I follow my own nose, always have always will. Pisses some off but that is their problem not mine.
Help as in the weak, children, elderly, etc yes help them.
help as in those who can do but choose not to, no way, they can die if they want.
It is their right and freedom to die if they choose not to help themselves.
Help as in the weak, children, elderly, etc yes help them.
help as in those who can do but choose not to, no way, they can die if they want.
It is their right and freedom to die if they choose not to help themselves.
Put Your Federal Representatives, All Of Them, On Notice that If They Support The FDA Vapeing Inquisition You Will Hold Them Personally Responsible And Campaign And Vote Against Them From This Day Forward!
Do Not Let Government Greed Win!
Do Not Let Government Greed Win!
Greed? Well they do not care what I say since I do not send them millions in campaign contributions and their commercials bought with the millions that others send them can sway most of the sheeple so they can get re-elected. I did email all of my state and federal reps though with my viewpoint. For what it is worth.
Just realizing the OP has moved on. I hate it when I fall for trolls. 
Requiring ID at in person point of sale (much like other age restricted items) takes care of 1/2 the 'access issue' and sure while JR might be able to steal or otherwise borrow mommy or daddies credit card, last I recall, minors could not be issued credit cards (unless possibly an Adult co-signed it).
While I think everyone could agree that if a child drank a bottle of eliquid that they would at the very least get pretty sick, I don't think we need to put child proof caps on everything (however they at least ought to be 'optional' much like a prescription from the drug store).
Funny, while some of the names and flavors "sound like" they are targeted towards kids, many adults (including myself) enjoy them. If "big brother" told me that all I could vape is "tobacco flavored" juice I'd have to find some other way of getting my NIC as I don't want my vape or any other NIC delivery system to taste anything remotely like a tobacco product!
I may of enjoyed a fine cigar from time to time but I never had any love for the taste of ciggybuts, it always was about the "buzz" and not the yucky 'flavor'.
Making millions off of government aid is a long established tradition in the USA. I am speaking of private industry getting all of the aid dollars they can.
I think we should go back to commodities instead of food stamps. The govt used to buy excess produce from US farmers and employ people to process it to give to the hungry. Now we pay farmers not to grow food and issue food stamps which benefit the grocery industry. And much of that which is bought with food stamps is not necessary food.
If people can get the same food for free that those of us who work get where is the incentive to not be on food stamps?
Unless Our Government has changed that rule as well. It ain't the greatest quantity of money or propaganda that wins an election. When last I checked they still count actual votes. The exception to that rule is the 'electoral college' that votes according to the highest bidder.
I dunno how other states handle food stamps, but in GA, they are only for those who are actually below the poverty level, and either working or actively seeking work -- during the big economic fiasco, my husband's hours dropped to 34.5 a week (that was how his company avoided lay-offs), which put our income below the poverty level -- and we got a small (!) amount of food stamps. Once the hours went back to 40/wk, they were discontinued.
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I deal in reality and most of the people think the way the media tells them to think.
What most people fail to recall or understand, if unbound individual/company/corporate greed was not hazardous to the public and/or the environment we live in there would be no need for government "rules and regulations" however history has taught us time and time again that without "rules and regulations" profits come before safety and people getting harmed or outright dieing (getting killed) is what prompted the creation of the government agencies in the first place.
If everything being sold was carefully designed and studied to ensure public safety BEFORE it was sold on the open market there would be little need or use for "watch dogs" (government or otherwise) looking over the shoulders of the industries and products being sold.
Food for thought.
If everything being sold was carefully designed and studied to ensure public safety BEFORE it was sold on the open market there would be little need or use for "watch dogs" (government or otherwise) looking over the shoulders of the industries and products being sold.
Food for thought.
Yes the problem originated in unregulated private industry. The vaping industry is now regulated by private industry. By profit motives actually.
We have a long history of private industry NOT regulating itself to benefit the consumers but to benefit it's profits. Understandable but desirable for we consumers?
Who among us would want to do away with all the food safety regulations?
And what good has that done us?
The regulatory agencies that are supposed to protect us have been bought out by the corps they're protecting us from.
Without the agencies, we might be susceptible to corporate greed hurting us.
With the agencies, we're actually PAYING (taxes) for corporate greed to hurt us.
I Don't need no stinkin' nanny... especially when she's a crooked nanny.
We are screwed.
If this thread indicates a true slice of America, and I believe it does, Hillary is going to be the next POTUS, socialism will reign supreme, the .gov will continue to grow in size, power and debt, people will continue to shun personal responsibility and increase in dependence on .gov, the economy will eventually implode, rioting will give way to full on civil war and race wars.....
Watch. And. See.
If this thread indicates a true slice of America, and I believe it does, Hillary is going to be the next POTUS, socialism will reign supreme, the .gov will continue to grow in size, power and debt, people will continue to shun personal responsibility and increase in dependence on .gov, the economy will eventually implode, rioting will give way to full on civil war and race wars.....
Watch. And. See.
That is fundamentally wrong.
"People getting harmed or outright dieing (getting killed)" isn't good for anyone, let alone a company that lets it happen even in a world without regulations. A company that just left conditions dangerous enough that people were dieing off left and right wouldn't be in business very long. Lawsuits, boycotts, a general lack of possible employees due to people not wanting to die... all would contribute to the closure of the business. And other businesses would either learn from the mistake or fail themselves. This is how the world works, even with regulations in place. Most industries where you can find dangerous conditions before "regulations" were actually evolving before said regulations existed. They just did it at a different pace and wasted FAR less money and time on ridiculous things in the process.
What people that believe what you said fail to recall or understand is that when you give regulatory power to a group of people that more or less have nothing to do with the industry they're regulating you get a sh*t ton of waste. Prices become inflated, the cost to get started with a company in the industry being regulated skyrockets and you end up with a whole lot of that corporate greed you dislike so much because the only companies that can at that point afford to get into the industry are the ones that have already been established. Your other option in this case is to give regulatory power to those that are involved in whatever industry you're talking about.. And that works out pretty much the same way. The big companies have the money to get themselves into key positions in the regulatory group and then charge license fees to newcomers to the industry that keep the grand majority of people out all the while increasing their power in said industry and bingo there's more of that corporate greed for ya.
Rules and regulations put in place in this country have mostly amounted to being a way to keep fresh new ideas and competitors out of the market in favor for those that are big enough to divvy out dollars to those that will vote in their favor.
Sure you can point out the things that go wrong, but you'll never see the things that would have gone right if not for the filter of "regulations".
... food for thought right?
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Ahh just which socialism? Public roads, sewers, water? Parks? libraries? etc. Should everyone that has children pay the full cost of their education? Why should I pay to educate your child you chose to have?
Or is it just socialistic programs that profit the poor? Or medicare advantage? Which is privatized Medicare?
We are all against those aspects of life we disagree with but support those which we support.
I am against "both" sides.
enough of my rant and back to vaping some delicious watermelon juice.
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