Why don't people want e-liquid labels changed?

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Sounds like a nice place. Most of the USA is full of humans wanting no other humans to do what they themselves do not want to do. And wanting to pass legislation enforcing this. A country full of legislative morality. Kind of like Sharia law but a different view.

I could not give less of a damn what other people do, as long as I am not unduly inconvenienced by it. I wish they'd afford me the same courtesy apathy.

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yeah pretty much the same for me. I am a party of one who follows my own nose.
It does tend to confound most people doesn't it?

It certainly does. When you live up to your own ethics, other people kinda scratch their heads in sheer bafflement.

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Sounds like a nice place. Most of the USA is full of humans wanting no other humans to do what they themselves do not want to do. And wanting to pass legislation enforcing this. A country full of legislative morality. Kind of like Sharia law but a different view.

It's funny, New Years Eve in Prague is a real shocker for American tourists. First of all, drinking in public is not only tolerated, but encouraged. At midnight, the horns of the boats and barges on the river all sound and the fireworks start. Low level, danger close. The buildings shake. Then, the town squares fill, and locals with bags and backpacks full of un regulated fireworks and firecrackers put on their own show. It is chaos, but controlled chaos. People party until sunrise, then go home...
 

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Should everyone that has children pay the full cost of their education? Why should I pay to educate your child you chose to have?

I agree but most do not. You chose to have em it is your responsibility to raise em not mine.


Interesting.

Let me reverse this point though....

Should my child have to pay for your retirement?

If you're willing to give up your social security and/or any pension plans that pay out more money than you personally paid into them, if you're willing to retire and receive nothing more than your own personal savings then sure, I'll pay for my own child's education. But if you're wanting social security and/or pensions as they exist now then you had better help pay for my child's education because she's going to be paying for your retirement.


Funny how people never consider their own personal retirement and social security as welfare, but that's precisely what it is. You're expecting younger generations to pay for you to stop working when you get old. Why should they if you aren't willing to help pay for their education?
 
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Interesting.

Let me reverse this point though....

Should my child have to pay for your retirement?

If you're willing to give up your social security and/or any pension plans that pay out more money than you personally paid into them, if you're willing to retire and receive nothing more than your own personal savings then sure, I'll pay for my own child's education. But if you're wanting social security and/or pensions as they exist now then you had better help pay for my child's education because she's going to be paying for your retirement.


Funny how people never consider their own personal retirement and social security as welfare, but that's precisely what it is. You're expecting younger generations to pay for you to stop working when you get old. Why should they if you aren't willing to help pay for their education?

I have paid around 1/4 million into SS over the years and lots into Medicare. I will not live long enough to draw that out once any trivial amount of interest is figured in.
Tell this to someone else not me.
 

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It's funny, New Years Eve in Prague is a real shocker for American tourists. First of all, drinking in public is not only tolerated, but encouraged. At midnight, the horns of the boats and barges on the river all sound and the fireworks start. Low level, danger close. The buildings shake. Then, the town squares fill, and locals with bags and backpacks full of un regulated fireworks and firecrackers put on their own show. It is chaos, but controlled chaos. People party until sunrise, then go home...

That's true for one night of the year, but most Americans would also be aghast to be thrown in jail for expressing their opinions if someone else decides it violates their "human rights". European human rights legislation is some of the most ridiculously oppressive legal enforcement of moral standards I've ever heard of. Americans believe that if you can be thrown in jail for what you say then you do not have free speech. I've heard MANY Europeans justify being thrown in jail because you said something offensive, and yet still claim to have free speech. They don't even comprehend that the mere suggestion that you can be jailed for expressing an unpopular or offensive opinion is state censorship which is the exact opposite of free speech.
 

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That's true for one night of the year, but most Americans would also be aghast to be thrown in jail for expressing their opinions if someone else decides it violates their "human rights". European human rights legislation is some of the most ridiculously oppressive legal enforcement of moral standards I've ever heard of. Americans believe that if you can be thrown in jail for what you say then you do not have free speech. I've heard MANY Europeans justify being thrown in jail because you said something offensive, and yet still claim to have free speech. They don't even comprehend that the mere suggestion that you can be jailed for expressing an unpopular or offensive opinion is state censorship which is the exact opposite of free speech.

Prague and CR is nothing like Northern or Western Europe. Don't confuse them with France or the UK...
 

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Free speech in the USA is mostly a myth.
Just go around yelling racial stuff and see how that works out.
yell fire in a theatre. Say you are going to shoot the president?

Preach islam on a street corner and see how many Americans support you? Preach atheism?
Most americans support THEIR free speech, not the speech of those who think differently.
 

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I have paid around 1/4 million into SS over the years and lots into Medicare. I will not live long enough to draw that out once any trivial amount of interest is figured in.
Tell this to someone else not me.

Wow, you're a multimillionaire?

Only 6.2% of your pay goes into Social Security. To have paid around a 1/4 million you would have had to have made over $4 million in income. Mind if I ask what you do for a living that pays you so well?
 

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If thats the case why should my taxes pay for police? Im armed. If youre not, thats your problem.
Why should my taxes pay for roads? I drive a 4x4. I dont need them. If you dont, your problem.
Why should i pay any tax? For anything?
Thats the way it is. Same taxes you pay for other kids to go to school that are not yours are the same taxes provided to you when you went to school. Whether your family sent you to public school or not is irrelivent.
 

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Wow, you're a multimillionaire?

Only 6.2% of your pay goes into Social Security. To have paid around a 1/4 million you would have had to have made over $4 million in income. Mind if I ask what you do for a living that pays you so well?
4 million divided out over 40 years is how much?
btw my employer pays in a matching amount. I was figuring in that as part of my pay in.
 

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My retirement is my 401k, savings, investments, IRAs...

So you will refuse all forms of social security? You're going to turn down that government paycheck when you retire?

Will you put that in writing, with the legal obligation to give my daughter an amount equal to every penny of social security that you accept?
 

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4 million divided out over 40 years is how much?
btw my employer pays in a matching amount. I was figuring in that as part of my pay in.
Yes I made good money and paid near or the max in every year. I also have wives and children and other family who spent it all. Should have been meaner I suppose.
 

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Wow, you're a multimillionaire?

Only 6.2% of your pay goes into Social Security. To have paid around a 1/4 million you would have had to have made over $4 million in income. Mind if I ask what you do for a living that pays you so well?
4 million over a lifetime of working is not that much, unless if its a lifetime of minimum wage.
 

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So you will refuse all forms of social security? You're going to turn down that government paycheck when you retire?

Will you put that in writing, with the legal obligation to give my daughter an amount equal to every penny of social security that you accept?

I'm working on being an ex-pat. I don't want it; won't be here to collect it...
 

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So you will refuse all forms of social security? You're going to turn down that government paycheck when you retire?

Will you put that in writing, with the legal obligation to give my daughter an amount equal to every penny of social security that you accept?
Why would your children deserve it?
This is getting silly...
 
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