Why don't people want e-liquid labels changed?

[zoiDman]

Since most of us here do not have a public forum to address these types of things we have to work with what we have. Continue to write letters to congress, make posts (As I believe you said you do) on the CASAA site that outline all the positive that vaping has done for you personally. Spread the word to your non vaping friends. The more we talk positively about it the better. Talk with hopes that just one more person will hear you and continue to talk to others about vaping. Word of mouth is the best tool most of us have. I occasionally make a general post on my FB about how vaping has helped me personally. Will it reach the ear of the general public? Probably not but it is what I can do. Please remember zoiD, we are all on the same side here, in that we enjoy vaping. I don't want to argue with you, but I also don't want to tell anybody to change the way they are doing business without knowing what rulings will come down. I want to be as supportive and positive as I can in hopes of gaining as much ground as we can.

Just a Simple Question:

With all the Hype and Scrutiny that e-Liquids have come under in the Last Year, what do you think the Chances are of Cartoon Characters being allowed on bottles of e-Liquid after the FDA Rules are Finalized?

Especially seeing that the FDA has said that there will be Standardize Labels?

And before the Usual Crowd jumps on this, I'm not Endorsing Nor Opposing Standardized Labels. Merely Stating what the FDA has said.

 

[zoiDman]

by stretching the boundaries.
by vaping often,proudly and,with out remorse in public.
its just flavored stage fog folks.
its the same thing as a medical inhaler for asthma.
don't eat tomato's there is nicotine in them.
we must stop acting like we have something to hide.
it wont hurt you,your children and,heaven forbid your pets.
except may be cats. the little turds might be sensitive.
so on second thought vape more around cats. i really don't
care.(about cats that is)
we have to stop falling into the ANTZ's chillin' rhetoric.
most of the science is on our side.a lot of their science is
on our side when you look at the details.
we have to realize with zero science on their side
they can get everything they wan't by uttering two
words. "the chillin'"

regards
mike

So do you consider putting Cartoon Characters on Bottles of e-Liquids that contain Nicotine part of your "stretching the boundaries" ?

 

[zoiDman]

As a juice maker, my labels have the verbiage "May contain nicotine, keep out of reach of children. Must be 18 or older." I think it's the responsible thing to do. I don't want a bottle of my juice to be cause for speculation if an under age person is caught by their parents, and the kid falls back on the bottle claiming they didn't know. That has lawsuit written all over it.

As someone who is Considering things from More than just a Marketing point of view, what's Your take on putting Cartoons or Images of Blood Splattered Adolescent Girls wielding Chainsaws on Bottles of e-Liquid that contain Nicotine.

 

[itskohler]

Personally, those images will never be on my products. They look too childish to me, almost enticing to a younger generation. BUT, I don't think that these labels are hitting on younger people as much as they are tapping a niche market in the vape community. Did Hot Topic convert young kids into satantic demons? No, but that is what was thought at the time by their parents. These kids that get their hands on juice are just happy to have it, just like they would be if it were regular smokes. They dont care about the brand or box design, just that they can inhale it and appear older than they are.

 

[zoiDman]

Personally, those images will never be on my products. They look too childish to me, almost enticing to a younger generation. BUT, I don't think that these labels are hitting on younger people as much as they are tapping a niche market in the vape community. Did Hot Topic convert young kids into satantic demons? No, but that is what was thought at the time by their parents. These kids that get their hands on juice are just happy to have it, just like they would be if it were regular smokes. They dont care about the brand or box design, just that they can inhale it and appear older than they are.

I think this is the View that Most e-Liquid Bottlers have.

And I definitely agree that their are Some Lawmakers who Blowing things Way Out of Proportion. And are Using this Issue as a Means to Promote their own Narcissistic Agenda.

 

[itskohler]

Well, just to play devils advocate for a minute...Why wouldn't they ping on that? It's the easiest route into regulation, which I honestly believe would benefit the community a bit. It's how far the regulations go that will determine the future of vaping.

 

[zoiDman]

Well, just to play devils advocate for a minute...Why wouldn't they ping on that? It's the easiest route into regulation, which I honestly believe would benefit the community a bit. It's how far the regulations go that will determine the future of vaping.

I'm not sure what you mean by "Why wouldn't they ping on that?".

But if you are asking why Retailers Don't remove Cartoon Images from their Label? I have No Clue.

 

[itskohler]

I mean, why wouldn't regulators use that as a driving force to push regulations down?

 

[caramel]

As someone who is Considering things from More than just a Marketing point of view, what's Your take on putting Cartoons or Images of Blood Splattered Adolescent Girls wielding Chainsaws on Bottles of e-Liquid that contain Nicotine.

This:

 

[BoxModder]

Theres definitely companies out there with flashy labels. Does your shop mix their own juice? That could be a reason for bland labels

 

[zoiDman]

I mean, why wouldn't regulators use that as a driving force to push regulations down?

I would think if Anything, Regulators would use Cartoons on Labels as a way to Push for Regulations.

 

[itskohler]

They will. But they will more likely use other tactics as well.

 

[AndriaD]

Ok here we go...

See a trend here?


Andria

 

[zoiDman]

They will. But they will more likely use other tactics as well.

Of course some will. No one said they Won't. But is it Better to Fight Against 4 Fronts or Only 3?

And Marketing to Minors is Intertwined with Flavor Bans. So some would like to make the Flavor Ban Fight Easier by not giving the Marketing to Minors argument any more Credence.

 

[caramel]

But is it Better to Fight Against 4 Fronts or Only 3?

Apparently yes. You move around multiple threads about "cartoons" avoiding to answer serious questions. So here it is for you one more time:

Is there any serious study showing the relative attractiveness, by age groups, of labels showing a cartoon cookie vs. a photorealistic cookie vs. just the word Cookie vs. Flavor 23 and some abstract art?

Or is this whole debate pulled out from a hat?

 

[skoony]

So do you consider putting Cartoon Characters on Bottles of e-Liquids that contain Nicotine part of your "stretching the boundaries" ?

yes,unequivocally.
if your under 18 you have no business looking at them
because you would have to be in a place you shouldn't
be at. in a store or on the internet.
if their parents vape its the parents responsibility to insure
what to allow or not allow their children to do or see and supply their
own reasoning for their decisions.
the advertising and flavors issue was false back when it was used
against tobacco.the premise is still false now.
as with smoking and drinking,vaping is no different.
the behavior starts first,the preferences come after.

regards
mike

 

[zoiDman]

yes,unequivocally.
if your under 18 you have no business looking at them
because you would have to be in a place you shouldn't
be at. in a store or on the internet.
if their parents vape its the parents responsibility to insure
what to allow or not allow their children to do or see and supply their
own reasoning for their decisions.
the advertising and flavors issue was false back when it was used
against tobacco.the premise is still false now.
as with smoking and drinking,vaping is no different.
the behavior starts first,the preferences come after.

regards
mike

OK.

Guess will just have to Agree to Disagree.

BTW - Do you need to be 18+ to see Images when you use an Google Image Search?

 

[Mazinny]

Ok here we go...

See a trend here?


Andria

Actually it seems that the issue of supposed marketing to children was always an important, if not the most important issue to the FDA. Apparently Mitch Zeller implied as much in a meeting with a group of eliquid vendor representatives :

 

[itskohler]

Sigh.

 

[AndriaD]

Actually it seems that the issue of supposed marketing to children was always an important, if not the most important issue to the FDA. Apparently Mitch Zeller implied as much in a meeting with a group of eliquid vendor representatives :

We already know how stupid Zeller is, since he apparently thinks vaping is as dangerous as smoking. The REAL problem is why someone with such sub-normal intelligence is in charge of something like the CDC. I'd really much rather have some really smart people running that.

Andria