Why don't people want e-liquid labels changed?

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I just want the labeling to tell me the following:
A) Who makes it
B) What it's called
C) What's in it (ie; 50/50 PG/VG 18mg Nic Content)
D) (and this is one I'd really like to actually see happen, too many makers don't do this) What it's supposed to TASTE LIKE!!

A-C are on every bottle I've ever bought, D, not so much. Would it kill manufacturers to put "strawberry milkshake" on the bottle? STRAWSPLOSION!!!1! doesn't really convey the message imho. A+ to the many, many brands that do include flavor on the lable, those that don't should see me after class.

As for government imposed changes, I say make the government impose them, don't self-censor. They take enough from us, without us just handing things over.
 
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idk how to do pretty links, but here's something to compare. Kids do stupid things, bad things happen to people even if they don't do stupid things, sometimes bad things just happen. Labeling isn't the fix, all my juice bottles have a warning on them not to drink them, or leave them in reach of small children. Enforced labeling for e-juice will be for the same reason as it was with smokes, to make them indistinguishable from one another, and choke the industry with more regulation, and costs. Our best bet is to remind legislators how many kids got sick eating laundry detergent pods, drinking bleach, or licking power outlets. Labeling doesn't do much for that, parenting does. I wouldn't leave a 4 year old with a bottle of e-juice, that's stupid on so many levels, and no amount of labering can fix that kind of stupid.

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I just want the labeling to tell me the following:
A) Who makes it
B) What it's called
C) What's in it (ie; 50/50 PG/VG 18mg Nic Content)
D) (and this is one I'd really like to actually see happen, too many makers don't do this) What it's supposed to TASTE LIKE!!

A-C are on every bottle I've ever bought, D, not so much. Would it kill manufacturers to put "strawberry milkshake" on the bottle? STRAWSPLOSION!!!1! doesn't really convey the message imho. A+ to the many, many brands that do include flavor on the lable, those that don't should see me after class.

As for government imposed changes, I say make the government impose them, don't self-censor. They take enough from us, without us just handing things over.

heck, if they just said what it tastes like IN THE DESCRIPTION ON THEIR WEBSITE, I'd be thrilled. "You have to taste it to believe it," conveys exactly ZERO information. :facepalm:

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idk how to do pretty links, but here's something to compare. Kids do stupid things, bad things happen to people even if they don't do stupid things, sometimes bad things just happen. Labeling isn't the fix, all my juice bottles have a warning on them not to drink them, or leave them in reach of small children. Enforced labeling for e-juice will be for the same reason as it was with smokes, to make them indistinguishable from one another, and choke the industry with more regulation, and costs. Our best bet is to remind legislators how many kids got sick eating laundry detergent pods, drinking bleach, or licking power outlets. Labeling doesn't do much for that, parenting does. I wouldn't leave a 4 year old with a bottle of e-juice, that's stupid on so many levels, and no amount of labering can fix that kind of stupid.

Cigarettes, with their FDA regulated plain packaging and warning labels, are responsible for nearly 6,000 poison control center calls in 2013. Over 5,400 of those were exposures in children under age 5. It's not the labels that are the problem.
 
heck, if they just said what it tastes like IN THE DESCRIPTION ON THEIR WEBSITE, I'd be thrilled. "You have to taste it to believe it," conveys exactly ZERO information. :facepalm:

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I know, right? It could taste exactly like fresh squeezed monkey crap, and that "description" would still be 100% true. There are only two flavored products that get away with not publishing what they're supposed to taste like, cough syrup, and Mountain Dew Code Red, and neither of those products has flavor as a selling point. Juice is supposed to taste like something specific (even unflavored, which is supposed to taste unflavored, lol), so why won't they just tell us?
 

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I know, right? It could taste exactly like fresh squeezed monkey crap, and that "description" would still be 100% true. There are only two flavored products that get away with not publishing what they're supposed to taste like, cough syrup, and Mountain Dew Code Red, and neither of those products has flavor as a selling point. Juice is supposed to taste like something specific (even unflavored, which is supposed to taste unflavored, lol), so why won't they just tell us?

ROFL... I lurvvvvvvvve Code Red... in fact I'm about to start working on a recipe for a Code Red vape... :lol:

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My one and only response to this thread should have been:

It's not that people don't want e-liquid labels changed, it's that we don't want vendors to be FORCED to change their labels based on pseudo-science and fear mongering.
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When it comes to advertising/marketing/packaging...i just don't think it's asking a lot for the vaping industry to not use common things that appeal to both adults AND KIDS...which is dual marketing and for many, it looks like shady and sneaky marketing tactics. For example, something like papa smurf or teddy bears... I like both of those, but clearly so do many 5yr olds and 13yr olds so obviously it doesn't belong in the marketing of this product, especially when this product has the potential to cause harm or death.
We are adults we don't need to be marketed to like a kid in order to vape right?..isn't vaping/devices/flavors/nicotine our top priority?

If the vaping industry can't figure out how to market in a neutral manner, opposed to sending the message that the industry and it's users are suffering from an age identity crisis that renders them incapable of differentiating between adult marketing verse child marketing, then harsher regulations are going to be reflective of an industry that has demonstrated it needs more oversight and guidance given. Or we could see minor regulations that is reflective of a industry that can self regulate and not need guidance to help it understand who it is marketing to and who it is not and to understand the difference and why.

I want to fight the good fight as well, not the one that takes away measures that help minimize harm to kids when their parents fail them. If it only saves the lives of a few children and stops only a few teens..it was well worth it. These preventative measures in no way would threaten my ability to vape...but dissing measures that protect kids and businesses continuing with irresponsible business practices most certainly will.

I agree the child card gets used and abused a lot on many things and yes, there are things being pursued against the vaping industry based on pure political corruption and ill agendas ( I am a hoosier and well versed on political corruption),....but in this case on these matters i agree with the regulators. I care about what's in the bottle and flavorings, not the cute flavor name, bottle shape or labels. I don't want more regulations so as a vaper i prefer to pick my battles wisely and fight for what is most important to me...and it's certainly not these things. Sorry but i refuse to fight with regulators to keep things like papa smurf on ejuice labels, i refuse to support keeping names like Mr. Cookie as the flavor name, i refuse to fight for things like a teddy bear shaped bottle of ejuice. My battleground is flavoring & Nic, but as long as we have these other things being used against us, flavoring and possibly Nic is going to be dragged down with it.

Yes, children and teens love bubble gum, but the difference here is flavors are contained and hidden within a bottle with a child proof cap. As long as the cap is securely locked and we don't scream bubble gum in large letters but rather use a small font print like halo does with no colorful bubble gum cartoon images, the flavor inside is kept very discrete and hidden. I just don't think this is asking for much on this end of things and a reasonable expectation of the industry.

Apparently i am not the only one who refuses to throw a losing card into the fight that will only do more harm then good to our cause...and for what again? oh yeah things like Papa Smurf, Mr. Cookie and Teddy bears LOL!!
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When it comes to advertising/marketing/packaging...i just don't think it's asking a lot for the vaping industry to not use common things that appeal to both adults AND KIDS...which is dual marketing and for many, it looks like shady and sneaky marketing tactics. For example, something like papa smurf or teddy bears... I like both of those, but clearly so do many 5yr olds and 13yr olds so obviously it doesn't belong in the marketing of this product, especially when this product has the potential to cause harm or death.
We are adults we don't need to be marketed to like a kid in order to vape right?..isn't vaping/devices/flavors/nicotine our top priority?

If the vaping industry can't figure out how to market in a neutral manner, opposed to sending the message that the industry and it's users are suffering from an age identity crisis that renders them incapable of differentiating between adult marketing verse child marketing, then harsher regulations are going to be reflective of an industry that has demonstrated it needs more oversight and guidance given. Or we could see minor regulations that is reflective of a industry that can self regulate and not need guidance to help it understand who it is marketing to and who it is not and to understand the difference and why.

I want to fight the good fight as well, not the one that takes away measures that help minimize harm to kids when their parents fail them. If it only saves the lives of a few children and stops only a few teens..it was well worth it. These preventative measures in no way would threaten my ability to vape...but dissing measures that protect kids and businesses continuing with irresponsible business practices most certainly will.

I agree the child card gets used and abused a lot on many things and yes, there are things being pursued against the vaping industry based on pure political corruption and ill agendas ( I am a hoosier and well versed on political corruption),....but in this case on these matters i agree with the regulators. I care about what's in the bottle and flavorings, not the cute flavor name, bottle shape or labels. I don't want more regulations so as a vaper i prefer to pick my battles wisely and fight for what is most important to me...and it's certainly not these things. Sorry but i refuse to fight with regulators to keep things like papa smurf on ejuice labels, i refuse to support keeping names like Mr. Cookie as the flavor name, i refuse to fight for things like a teddy bear shaped bottle of ejuice. My battleground is flavoring & Nic, but as long as we have these other things being used against us, flavoring and possibly Nic is going to be dragged down with it.

Yes, children and teens love bubble gum, but the difference here is flavors are contained and hidden within a bottle with a child proof cap. As long as the cap is securely locked and we don't scream bubble gum in large letters but rather use a small font print like halo does with no colorful bubble gum cartoon images, the flavor inside is kept very discrete and hidden. I just don't think this is asking for much on this end of things and a reasonable expectation of the industry.

Apparently i am not the only one who refuses to throw a losing card into the fight that will only do more harm then good to our cause...and for what again? oh yeah things like Papa Smurf, Mr. Cookie and Teddy bears LOL!!
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the problem is children like cartoons teddy bears,colors and, flavors.
most children do.
however there is no evidence that it influences actual choice.
by the time a child is in their teens their preferences are even
more well defined.
as an example: young Danny at the age of 15 is taking driving lessons.
his dad told him if he passed the course and got a license when he was
of age he would by Danny a car.Danny was very happy. he told his dad
it would be great to get a tricked out red Chevy Nova. his dad agreed
that would be great.
so came the day. Danny was of age and has gotten his license.
his dad says i am a man of my word Danny here is your car.
it was a ho=hum generic looking 2 door hatchback.
of course Danny was sad, angry and disappointed.
that didn't stop Danny from driving though.maybe some day
he will get that tricked out red Chevy Nova,a product by the
way that was heavily marketed to under age new teen drivers.
marketing did not give Danny his choice but,it did not stop
Danny from driving.
the point is advertising or the lack there of hasn't the influence
we are led to believe.Danny did not get his red Nova but chose
to drive anyway.under age smokers had no such influence but
choose to smoke anyway.
:2c:
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When I was a teenager, all I needed to know about something was that it was "for adults," and that therefore it was something I wanted desperately to do.

Which is why I think all this "for adults only" stuff with vaping is bound to backfire -- making it for adults only just makes it COOLER to kids! But fortunately, it's not nearly as harmful as either smoking or drinking, so if it backfires, who cares? Only the ANTZ, and they're insane anyway.

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My neighbor's 5yo kid is fascinated by, (and attracted to) chainsaws and other power tools. Shiny, bright colors, cool noises, etc. The working solution to any potential problem in this case is close adult supervision of the little guy, not taking my tools away from me...
 
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