Why Drops Regarding flavoring?

[ENAUD]

LOL, I take it you don't do a lot of cooking? For me, I think it depends. I would rather see 1 drop of AP per 10 ml than .0025ml or whatever it would be. But yeah, for anything more than that I just convert it into % for the calculator.

BTW, dash and pinch are measurements too - dash is 1/8 tsp and a pinch is 1/16. (Oh, and a smidgeon is 1/32 tsp)

LOL, I do all the cooking And I measure most things in the palm of my hand, the way the very first chef I worked for taught me to
When I was a working as a bartender, I was a free pourer. The boss would actually test our count from time to time by having us pour a shot while not looking. I think I may have come across as a little up tight, and I clearly see why re-reading my OP
It was just a late night rant with a humorous intent...

 

[patkin]

I actually had a family member get mad at me because she wanted my recipe for a dish she had at my house. I told her I could give her ingredient approximates but everything I cook is "to taste." She actually thought that was my way of keeping my recipe secret and told me she never cooks anything without following the book's recipe to the "T." Well, to me, that's boring and kills my creativity when cooking. I've never been able to follow one exactly and is probably why I don't bake well where more exact measurements can be critical. I'm the same way with ejuice. When someone is kind enough to share their recipe for it I still follow it but "to taste" and percentages just help me know greater and lesser amounts. They're going to have to be adjusted for the brand of flavoring I'm using anyway as it varies brand-to-brand. You may have guessed by now... drops are fine with me. I just see them as a jumping off point anyway.

 

[Leaded50]

"A standard eye dropper gives 20 drops per ml." well, perhaps before, and on some producers yet.. I got inaweras,FlavorArt/Flavor West/Totally Wicked, and some others..all with thin dropper , approx 50 - 60 drops pr.ml. I always does ml. by 1ml syringe..but eventually on smaller testsamples...perhaps by drops. But calculate it whatever to %, easier to store for later similar mixing. But understand a lot of peole find it easier to just use drops to make their juice. Instead of syringe, difficulty to measure in small parts (if not small enough syringe) then extra cleaning of equipment. Do what they want...but agreed on do just one type written, would do it easier for others in recipes. For me %......

 

[Anjaffm]

I actually had a family member get mad at me because she wanted my recipe for a dish she had at my house. I told her I could give her ingredient approximates but everything I cook is "to taste." She actually thought that was my way of keeping my recipe secret and told me she never cooks anything without following the book's recipe to the "T."

Huh????
I thought all women cooked like you and me - a little of this and a little of that, and then "add cream and wine to taste". Recipes are boring and often taste bland, to my taste. And same here with baking: once it's in the oven, you cannot change it. Awww.. nawwww...

With liquids, I am still kind of following recipes, not very experimental yet. Although I am working on it - I just have to recreate that wonderful hazelnut-vanilla liquid that I bought in Spain the other day. I think I'll add a little "cream" aroma next.. or a touch of "vanilla for pipe"? ....

 

[AmandaD]

If I hadn't come across the Pure Vapes thread and learned about drops for trying out complex recipes, I doubt I would be half as happy with DIY. When you want to make a test batch, it's so much easier to use the drops out of the bottles than to dirty up 6-8 syringes and struggle with getting 0.025ml or .025%

 

[Passunca]

Even when I add a dash of this and a bit of that, and if I want to replicate it or extend to another volume, I need to know the exact amount (in ml, ou in %) of what I just did, right? Or, do you take the chance of making 30ml of bad juice after making a really good 5ml?

I have even read here in ECF, a recipe calling for fat drops and tiny drops... (...?)

So, If I'm going to share, why not sharing with those exact measures?

Or am I missing something?

I mix by weight, so I just drop from the bottle and don't use syringes or any other "device", and no cleaning afterwards. But I drop (or squeeze) to achieve a determined % or ml. And that's exact measurement.

If I'm going to share the recipe I will not say, squeeze for 2 seconds...

And no one's saying to follow the recipe, if you don't want to, but if someone posts a recipe asking for 3% of X, and while being creative you go and make it 10%, it might be good, but it's not the same recipe.

If people share, they like to receive feedback about their creations.
One can't say, a bit of strawberry, a dash of bavarian cream, a bunch of caramel and expect feedback: Hey dude, I love your strawberry caramel.


Note: Sorry if I might sound confuse, I could do better in Portuguese, but I believe people would still prefer my bad English

 

[zoiDman]

Warning! This thread was a late night rant and was intended to be taken lightly

This has been driving me nuts!!! So many suggestions for recipe's using drops! Listing ingredients by drops is , to me at least, totally useless information. I can think of several factors that can influence drop size. Temperature influencing viscosity of flavorings/base, angle of bottle tip while drops are dispensed, timing of drop release based on force applied to bottle, tremors in hand holding bottle, size of hole in nozzle of bottle, etc...
Percentages are percentages no matter what volume is considered. Percentages are scalable. Recipe's in drops might as well say a pinch of this and a dash of that...I just needed to get this off my mind...

Nothing wrong with Using Drops.

They are Actually a Remarkable Precise way of Dispensing a Liquid. And the Drop to Drop variation using the Same Dropper is Incredible Small relative to the Respective Drop size.

And the Huge Up Side is when you get Done doing a Mix, you do Not Have a sink Full of Syringes and Misc Lab Glass to wash.

I don't get to Upset if a Person posts a Recipe using Drops. Even though I know that if I Don't use the Same Sized Dropper that I will Not be Able to Exactly Replicate their Recipe. Because I have Never seen a Recipe that I didn't Want/Need to Tweak Anyway.

And the Posted Recipe, to Me, is just a Starting Point.

 

[MilitantParasite]

Leaded50, A standard eye dropper you get in the store for medicine gives 20 drops per ml for water based liquids. The thin eye droppers I got from Wizard Labs drip 60 drops for ml. The tube diameter determines it.

 

[MilitantParasite]

Remember, I'm talking about PG, not water.

 

[zoiDman]

Leaded50, A standard eye dropper you get in the store for medicine gives 20 drops per ml for water based liquids. The thin eye droppers I got from Wizard Labs drip 60 drops for ml. The tube diameter determines it.

It Doesn't have Anything to do with the Tube Diameter. What matters is the Cross-Sectional area of the Opening at the Business end of the Dropper.

ETA: If this is what you were say'n, Never Mind my post.

 

[MilitantParasite]

zoiDman, you are partially right. I should have said tube circumference not diameter. I was off by pi. You are off by the radius.

 

[zoiDman]

zoiDman, you are partially right. I should have said tube circumference not diameter. I was off by pi. You are off by the radius.

Correct me if I'm Wrong. But Isn't a Tubes Inside Circumference (or Outside for that Matter) just another Way to Describe a Tubes Inside Diameter? Also long as someone uses the Term Tube in reference to a Circle.

And I'm not sure how I can be Off by a Radius. In that the Opening of a Dropper Doesn't have to be a Circle. Hence why I said Cross-Sectional Area.

 

[MilitantParasite]

The model is
(Volume) x (density) x (acceleration of gravity) = (pi) x (diameter at tip) x (coefficient of surface tension) x sine(angle of contact)
The drop detaches when the angle of contact is 90 degrees, i.e. sine(90 degrees) = 1. Plug in the values of density and coefficient of surface tension for two liquids and divide one expression by the other to get their relative volumes. The acceleration of gravity and tube diameter cancels out.
When you test your eye dropper repeat the test 13 times. Average the measurements after throwing out the first test. The first one is inconsistent because the eye dropper is dry. I always use 12 samples because that’s when the Central Limit Theorem kicks in big time. The distribution of the sum gets very tight at that point.

 

[zoiDman]

The model is
(Volume) x (density) x (acceleration of gravity) = (pi) x (diameter at tip) x (coefficient of surface tension) x sine(angle of contact)
The drop detaches when the angle of contact is 90 degrees, i.e. sine(90 degrees) = 1. Plug in the values of density and coefficient of surface tension for two liquids and divide one expression by the other to get their relative volumes. The acceleration of gravity and tube diameter cancels out.
When you test your eye dropper repeat the test 13 times. Average the measurements after throwing out the first test. The first one is inconsistent because the eye dropper is dry. I always use 12 samples because that’s when the Central Limit Theorem kicks in big time. The distribution of the sum gets very tight at that point.

Yeah... I like to Do things Many Times because I am a Big believer in the Strong Law of Large Numbers.

 

[MilitantParasite]

zoiDman,, the theory is that the surface tension force is proportional to the circumference of the tube. This is balanced by the weight of the drop at the point of release. The constant of proportionality is the coefficient of surface tension. Wikipedia has a good article under Pendant Drop Test.

 

[MilitantParasite]

When I do a test I do it with water, PG, and VG.

 

[MilitantParasite]

I'm sharing this because I did a lot of work on it. I was as confused as ENAUD when I first got into DIYing.

 

[zoiDman]

zoiDman,, the theory is that the surface tension force is proportional to the circumference of the tube. This is balanced by the weight of the drop at the point of release. The constant of proportionality is the coefficient of surface tension. Wikipedia has a good article under Pendant Drop Test.

If I change the Geometry of the Dropper to a say a Truncated Cone which has the Same d for it's Small End as the Tube's d in this Picture, Does the Volume of the Drop Change?

ETA:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drop_(liquid)#Pendant_drop_test

 

[Not A One]

LOL, I take it you don't do a lot of cooking?

The best cooking recipes use weight.

 

[Leaded50]

well. a lot of people just measure by the tip on the bottle, as i referenced to. using the aroma bottle (and tip) goes faster, no extra cleaning of equipment....... but even then.. for me, use %... the drops is differnt on the bottles, and as other said..how hard you press..