why get regulated vv or vw for genesis?

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i have heard of the cobras small wick hole, i dont actually own one, but imo if at all use a thicker wire untill it requires more then 5 wraps. i would try the 30g with a 4/5 wrap and see what resistance that is, if it is still to low i would go to the 32g. if it was me i would do an L-WICK, so i could use a thicker wire, at least i would give it a go to see how it really performs. i have been told that it works and works fine. it really would only take a few more wraps of mesh to make the difference. but being that i dont really know for sure i would hate for you to have spent hours on the measurements and not work to good. i also been wanting to try the inverse wick, fatter on the bottom then the top, to see if it would wick any better, but this might require more time when changing the wick, because you would have to take the tank apart to release the wick
what about a U wick? there are a lot of holes in the Cobra...
I'm using like 33mm wide of 400 mesh to get in there...
 

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what about a U wick? there are a lot of holes in the Cobra...
I'm using like 33mm wide of 400 mesh to get in there...

it really is a matter of wraps, the more wraps the longer it takes to heat up those coils, so it becomes kind of slow. on a regular wick it is possible to get more wraps to accomadate the resistance objection, but i guess to many turns just makes for a slower vape. i have heard of people doing 6 or 7 wraps of 28g, but it really does become sluggish. so a u-wick really doesnt do it. it is weird, because it is really not the amount of wraps but the amount of wire that determinds resistance. so really it shouldnt matter if my wick has 4 wraps compared to 6 wraps on yours, resistance is resistance. the only real difference is that your coils will be much closer than mine, and yours will be heating up more distance of the wick, yours would be more spread apart. so power per coil will change, your coil will be less power per wrap then mine, vaporizing the area per wrap at a different rate. i dont know, this gets complicated. it shouldnt make a difference but it does. i will have to tink about this more, but for some reason after like 5 to 6 wraps the responsiveness of the coil get slow, so any advantage from a thicker wire is counter intuitive, thus making a thinner wire a better choice, hows that sound?
 

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yes, mr edo, to me that would be the holy grail. and i have heard of such a device in the winds. there is definately gives and takes with which is available to us at the moment, and to me this is all part of the fun.


Oh really....that would be the ultimate. Where is Ninja? He would know if/when this is coming out.
 

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The kick will fire .8ohm coils without issue, waiting on some more 28 and 30ga right now so I can see how low it'll actually go.

10w isn't much but I don't need 20w+ all day errday.
the kick with what mod? if it is the provariv-2, you dont need a kick to make it work in the first place, i run 0.8 coils all day on my provari. the issue is with certain devices having very small wick diameters. with my ac-9 and real dids, i can do a 4 wrap of 28g on the provari to get to .08 ohms, no problem, but with lets say a cobra, you might need to do 6 wraps to get to the same resistance, the question is would the cobras responsiveness be equal to mine?
 

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Oh really....that would be the ultimate. Where is Ninja? He would know if/when this is coming out.
i actually had asked him this very same question. although i heard about this, i couldnt remeber what the name was of this special chip, that was to be incorperated into said device. he said he personally didnt know of said device but if there was any company that would be involved it must be so and so company, and such and such chip, he exactly named the company and certain chip-set, that i had heard. so indirectly knew what it could possible be from a process of elimination.
 

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Well I have 5 VV devices (2 are VV VW) and I have only one that will handle that resistance below 1.2 (iHybrid). Time to balance that out.
The iHybrid is so easy to set up and the post is tall, the wick hole is big, the vape is incredible.

I'm not loving my Cobra as it is smaller all around. I have tried setting it up with 32g and like some have said, itls actually trickier to work with than 28g. This one is still a puzzle to me.

Would anyone recommend a good Geni atomizer similar to the iHyb? and a good mech device?
 

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I dunno. I guess I go against the grain with this stuff. The reason I began using VV devices to begin with was to get away from poor battery life, and inconsistent vapes as the battery discharges. My set up is 32 ga kanthal, ~2.0 ohms, on various VV or VW devices.

Same. 22 watts on battery power is only going to happen for a short time until the battery voltage drops (which happens pretty quickly at such high discharge). I have a great-running setup currently with 32ga 4/3 wrap at 2.0 ohms on a Provari V1.
 

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I dunno. I guess I go against the grain with this stuff. The reason I began using VV devices to begin with was to get away from poor battery life, and inconsistent vapes as the battery discharges. My set up is 32 ga kanthal, ~2.0 ohms, on various VV or VW devices.

That is exactly what I'm running on my aga-t/Vamo. Works great.
 

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...Would anyone recommend a good Geni atomizer similar to the iHyb? and a good mech device?

At the moment, my go-to mech/gen combo is a P+18500 paired with a standard DID. Using a 3/2 wrap of 30awg around a 3mm hybrid wick (1.5mm silica and #400 mesh) gets me to around 0.9-1.0ohm. My more pocketable setup is a P+18350 with a Temon with the same coil setup. The Precise+ mech mods perform really well the the MMVAPORS gens. I've used a few other APV/RBA combos but these are still my favorites.

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I went back to 32g wire and with 4-3 , even 4-5 wraps I'm still getting a too low resistance reading... lots of errors or reading way below 1.5.... I put my mmeter on the neg and pos posts and get .9, .8....
I have to think there is a short somewhere in how I am wrapping them?
I keep the wraps separate, it looks like what I see on the vids.... geeeZ
 

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I went back to 32g wire and with 4-3 , even 4-5 wraps I'm still getting a too low resistance reading... lots of errors or reading way below 1.5.... I put my mmeter on the neg and pos posts and get .9, .8....
I have to think there is a short somewhere in how I am wrapping them?
I keep the wraps separate, it looks like what I see on the vids.... geeeZ

In an earlier post I mentioned that it is a lot easier to set up a genny with 28g wire vs 32g wire. The thicker the wire the more the current wants to stay in the wire...so the less chance of a short. You said you have provari v2...then do a 4 wrap 30g coil. If you don't have 30g wire then 4 wraps of 32g is more than you need....you definitely have a short.

BTW the Cobra is one of the best if not the best Genny out there so learn to work with it before dismissing it.
 

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In an earlier post I mentioned that it is a lot easier to set up a genny with 28g wire vs 32g wire. The thicker the wire the more the current wants to stay in the wire...so the less chance of a short. You said you have provari v2...then do a 4 wrap 30g coil. If you don't have 30g wire then 4 wraps of 32g is more than you need....you definitely have a short.

BTW the Cobra is one of the best if not the best Genny out there so learn to work with it before dismissing it.

Thanks for the tip on the Cobra...
I have 28,30, and 28 A1 Kanthals.... the thickness of the 28 and the minimal room of the Cobra makes that harder. The 30 was giving me the same problem (low resistance setting off the error) with 4 wraps, so I tried the 32.
I guess I'll go back and start with a new wick and the 30 again... when I have calmed down... :)
 

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Thanks for the tip on the Cobra...
I have 28,30, and 28 A1 Kanthals.... the thickness of the 28 and the minimal room of the Cobra makes that harder. The 30 was giving me the same problem (low resistance setting off the error) with 4 wraps, so I tried the 32.
I guess I'll go back and start with a new wick and the 30 again... when I have calmed down... :)



LOL. When I got my rba(AGA-t) ten days ago, It was very frustrating (wanted to give up) but after 4ft of wire & many hrs later it just 'clicked' & fell into place & is now working like a champ. I can now do a coil/wick in about 10 min. DON'T GIVE UP!
 

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Ukeman....these gennies make me go nut sometimes too....every one here knows how you feel right now. The Cobra has plenty of room. Right now I am vaping on an 8 wrap coil..... 30 g wire..2mm wick in a Cobra. It is not the most responsive coil but it tastes incredibly good.
The wick holes on the Cobra are about 2.5mm. You can use a 3/32 drill bit if you want to make your coils using a drill bit....that will make your wick about 2.4mm.
 

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At the moment, my go-to mech/gen combo is a P+18500 paired with a standard DID. Using a 3/2 wrap of 30awg around a 3mm hybrid wick (1.5mm silica and #400 mesh) gets me to around 0.9-1.0ohm. My more pocketable setup is a P+18350 with a Temon with the same coil setup. The Precise+ mech mods perform really well the the MMVAPORS gens. I've used a few other APV/RBA combos but these are still my favorites.

nerysu8a.jpg

very nice devices
 

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I dunno. I guess I go against the grain with this stuff. The reason I began using VV devices to begin with was to get away from poor battery life, and inconsistent vapes as the battery discharges. My set up is 32 ga kanthal, ~2.0 ohms, on various VV or VW devices.

i dont think that this is against the grain, from what i see, i think most here have vv devices and have similiar set-ups to yours.
 
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