why get regulated vv or vw for genesis?

[BuzzKilla]

I think due to rebuildable attys and tanks, VV/VW will become unnecessary, and maybe eventually obsolete.
Provari partnered with Z just to be relevant in the game.

We had VV because we couldn't get the hit we desired from attys and cartos. Now we can dial in what we want without any help from boosters and regulators.
Considering we set the device and leave it there anyways, being able to build the coil as we want takes out that variable factor.
Ever since i dove into rebuildables, my Kick has been put back into the case it came in, and is now just tucked away in a drawer.

If you drop a mechanical with a rebuildable top end in the water or on the ground, your not afraid that you just messed up the delicate circuitry. having something that is mechanically simple and repairable, is what i want. I feel confident that my mod will work for many years, as long as i dont drive over it with a steam roller... lol

I know that my Precise and Reo wont need a firmware update, or need to be upgraded to get the most out of it

 

[tc1]

I don't use genesis atomizers on regulated devices ... not anymore. They just can't compete with a mechanical that is pushing over 20 watts. Low ohm coil is the way to go on a properly wicking genny ... it's pretty spectacular.

At home, my regulated devices become nothing more than ohm meters.

 

[unloaded]

I have been running my AGA-T+ with 32g for a while but haven't been that pleased with the results. I've been wanting to try some bigger wire but all I've got is 32, 34 & 36g. Today I finally did some twisting with the 32g wire. Ended up with 5/6 wrap coil coming in at 1.2 ohms. Been running it at 4v on Provari mini and the results are much better. I'll be ordering some 28 & 30g along with some 500 mesh real soon. Also I finally snagged a Stealth cap for my GGTS so I'll be putting some gennys on it. I never liked setting it up with stacked adapters. Just out of curiosity I might try twisting the 34 & 36g to see how they do. I expected the twisted wire to be harder to deal with making the coils but it was actually easier. I'm not sure but the twisted wire seems to have a little bit of a wicking effect too. There's no lag for vapor but a little bit for heat. Much better results regardless of what it's doing.

 

[tc1]

I have been running my AGA-T+ with 32g for a while but haven't been that pleased with the results. I've been wanting to try some bigger wire but all I've got is 32, 34 & 36g. Today I finally did some twisting with the 32g wire. Ended up with 5/6 wrap coil coming in at 1.2 ohms. Been running it at 4v on Provari mini and the results are much better. I'll be ordering some 28 & 30g along with some 500 mesh real soon. Also I finally snagged a Stealth cap for my GGTS so I'll be putting some gennys on it. I never liked setting it up with stacked adapters. Just out of curiosity I might try twisting the 34 & 36g to see how they do. I expected the twisted wire to be harder to deal with making the coils but it was actually easier. I'm not sure but the twisted wire seems to have a little bit of a wicking effect too. There's no lag for vapor but a little bit for heat. Much better results regardless of what it's doing.

I use twisted 32 gauge coil on my gennys @ 0.8 ohms and it's wonderful. 1.2 ohms @ 4 volts it probably pretty nice but you're only at around 13 watts. With a mechanical you can hit 22 watts @ 0.8 ohms.

I've found that with twisted 32 awg I have no hot spot issues as well ... ever.

 

[vapdivrr]

yes, vv devices sounded good with reg attys &carts, for we loved the fact that we can zap a coil up to 6volts! most still see it this way even with genesis atomizers.

 

[tc1]

yes, vv devices sounded good with reg attys &carts, for we loved the fact that we can zap a coil up to 6volts! most still see it this way even with genesis atomizers.

I'm a 7-8 watt vaper on my VV/VW devices that use carto/clearo/dripping attys. But with gennys, the wicking action is so good that you can max out your wattage without burning your juice. Subsequently, you also inhale and absorb more nicotine due to it not being burned before it enters your blood stream.

Hell, a properly setup genesis atomizer is a faster and more effective delivery system for nicotine than combustion. That was never the case before genesis style atomizers.

 

[SavePaperVapor]

I must be alone in the fact that I prefer vv to mech for genesis. a mech is still stuck at one voltage and battery consistency isn't there. I can get more than enough out of a Provari and it's consistent. Also, different juices are better at different temps. That said, I do have mechs as well and I use them.

 

[tc1]

I must be alone in the fact that I prefer vv to mech for genesis. a mech is still stuck at one voltage and battery consistency isn't there. I can get more than enough out of a Provari and it's consistent. Also, different juices are better at different temps. That said, I do have mechs as well and I use them.

I felt sort of the same way until I switched to twisted coils @ low ohms. Now the difference is very noticeable. My Ecto-1 juice works like a charm at 22 watts and it's the most temperature sensitive juice I've made and tried to date. As far as battery drop off ... my mechanical voltage drops off slower than my regulated devices. I can go hours with my mechanical before I decide to charge the battery ... the lowest it's ever been was like 3.9 volts and I couldn't even tell the difference compare to 4.2 volts.

It's impossible for me to chain/heavy vape with my current setup ... I would get nic sick in a hurry. I think that's the key and the biggest difference with a low ohm coil with no hot spot .... nicotine delivery. It's simply much more effective, so you tend to back off on the amount you vape compared to your usual.

 

[fanatic205]

I dunno. I guess I go against the grain with this stuff. The reason I began using VV devices to begin with was to get away from poor battery life, and inconsistent vapes as the battery discharges. My set up is 32 ga kanthal, ~2.0 ohms, on various VV or VW devices.

Same. 22 watts on battery power is only going to happen for a short time until the battery voltage drops (which happens pretty quickly at such high discharge). I have a great-running setup currently with 32ga 4/3 wrap at 2.0 ohms on a Provari V1.

I really dont get the ohh its un regulated and the vape sucks after some time. I use AW18350 800mah and some 18amp samsung 1600mah and i notice a difference off the charger but once it settles in i can go allday on one 18650 or two 18350 on a genny at .6ohm. Once i notice the vape loses some steam just pop a new batt in and go.

I have only been vaping a few months but nothing and i mean nothing vapes like a properly setup LR genny on a unregulated mech mod. I have a ZMax that i really wish i never bought and all my cartos and clearos are collecting dust.

I think the vape isnt the same on a unregulated mod statement makes people feel better about their VV/VW mods, just seems like nit picing to me.

 

[vapdivrr]

I have been running my AGA-T+ with 32g for a while but haven't been that pleased with the results. I've been wanting to try some bigger wire but all I've got is 32, 34 & 36g. Today I finally did some twisting with the 32g wire. Ended up with 5/6 wrap coil coming in at 1.2 ohms. Been running it at 4v on Provari mini and the results are much better. I'll be ordering some 28 & 30g along with some 500 mesh real soon. Also I finally snagged a Stealth cap for my GGTS so I'll be putting some gennys on it. I never liked setting it up with stacked adapters. Just out of curiosity I might try twisting the 34 & 36g to see how they do. I expected the twisted wire to be harder to deal with making the coils but it was actually easier. I'm not sure but the twisted wire seems to have a little bit of a wicking effect too. There's no lag for vapor but a little bit for heat. Much better results regardless of what it's doing.

so you feel more heat with the 1.2 set up compared to, i guess a higher resistance set-up that you were running previously? thats the funny thing to me, i have tried a higher resistant set-up before, just to check it out and to make comparisons, and found that i felt more heat and harshness from a higher resistant set-up compared to a low resistance set up. to me it seems like the more voltage, the hotter the vape, the lower the voltage the warmer the vape, if this makes sense.

 

[StaircaseWit]

I must be alone in the fact that I prefer vv to mech for genesis. a mech is still stuck at one voltage and battery consistency isn't there. I can get more than enough out of a Provari and it's consistent. Also, different juices are better at different temps. That said, I do have mechs as well and I use them.

You're not alone. I'm too used to the consistency of the Provari to want to go back to the inconsistency of loving the vape off a full battery, then quickly knowing there's a significant voltage drop because I'm pulling 20-some watts. I will not use a stacked-battery mod for safety-related reasons, so I'm already limited in how many watts I'm going to run.

I also can't give up the versatility of a VV mod. I don't want huge wattage early in the morning. I want a mellow vape. Later in the day, I up the voltage because I want more, something I can't do on a mech mod that's likely dwindling due to battery drain than getting stronger, unless I'm carrying multiple batteries -- something I've gotten away from.

I keep in mind that we're trying to replace *cigarettes*. They weren't that great, IMO. I still smoke an occasional analog and there's no huge "vapor" plume, the throat hit is so-so (I smoked Camel lights 100s and Camel 100s) and the flavor frankly sucks. I'm at the point where my vaping device is a great replacement for analogs and anything more is honestly "overkill". I get a serious nic buzz if I chain vape my Provari and AGA-T2, something I haven't experienced with analogs in years.

I'm happy where I'm at -- I was happy with ViviNovas for a long time, other than the re-wicking headaches and burnt flavor at times. This is more efficient and requires less maintenance.

 

[vapdivrr]

I really dont get the ohh its un regulated and the vape sucks after some time. I use AW18350 800mah and some 18amp samsung 1600mah and i notice a difference off the charger but once it settles in i can go allday on one 18650 or two 18350 on a genny at .6ohm. Once i notice the vape loses some steam just pop a new batt in and go.

I have only been vaping a few months but nothing and i mean nothing vapes like a properly setup LR genny on a unregulated mech mod. I have a ZMax that i really wish i never bought and all my cartos and clearos are collecting dust.

I think the vape isnt the same on a unregulated mod statement makes people feel better about their VV/VW mods, just seems like nit picing to me.

yes, i always hear about the degradation of the performance from a mechanical mod, but an all day awesome vape is obtainable from a single 18650 battery, and how long does it take to throw in another battery anyways. its definately not a valid arguement. although i do prefer a mechanical mod when wanting an awesome vape upwards of 20 watts, like when having a few drinks on the weekend, but also love the provari v-2, @ 14 watts, 3.5 amps, in the morning.

 

[tc1]

Put it this way ... it would probably take me 3-4 days to get my battery down to 3.4 volts. Even at 3.4 volts ... that's still close to 14.5 watts!

Now ... how many regulated devices do you know that can push 14.5 watts in single 18650 mode? How many can do it for several days?

 

[vapdivrr]

i think to have both, is a plus for alot of reasons.

 

[tc1]

i think to have both, is a plus for alot of reasons.

Without a doubt. I use both and my regulated helps me build my coils since it has an ohm meter. I just prefer low ohm twisted coils on my genesis atomizer. I mean ... the mini did I had for my Vamo just collects dust these days, just doesn't do it for me anymore.

I HONESTLY bought a mechanical thinking it was going to be a backup device. Now it's become my go-to device while at home with my gennys. Go figure ... lol

 

[fanatic205]

I will say of all the batterys i have tryed AW, IMR, PANNYS, XXXXFIRE these samsung 1600mah 18amp markings are INR18650-15Q rock hard, dont let the 1600mah rating trick you these batterys last longer than my 2200mah. These batts hold their voltage really well for low ohm gennys and hold steady voltage for long drags on the PV

 

[BuzzKilla]

Put it this way ... it would probably take me 3-4 days to get my battery down to 3.4 volts.

damn... i get two days max, on an 18650....

 

[SavePaperVapor]

Lol. I think the only thing this thread does is point out that different people enjoy different vapes. Thank heavens for choices.

 

[tc1]

Lol. I think the only thing this thread does is point out that different people enjoy different vapes. Thank heavens for choices.

Bottom line ... if its working for you ... that's all that matters. Never hurts to try new things but everyone is different and has different tastes. Amen to choices! Seems like they're doubling every month.

 

[vapdivrr]

Without a doubt. I use both and my regulated helps me build my coils since it has an ohm meter. I just prefer low ohm twisted coils on my genesis atomizer. I mean ... the mini did I had for my Vamo just collects dust these days, just doesn't do it for me anymore.

I HONESTLY bought a mechanical thinking it was going to be a backup device. Now it's become my go-to device while at home with my gennys. Go figure ... lol

the only reason i am still holding on to my vv device is that someday i will want to give up vaping, just like i did with cigs, so i dont go completely extreme hi wattages, for i think it will ultimately be harder for me to quit vaping, although there is no mistake that a mechanical mod and low resistances on gennys are the pinnacle of vaping.