Why I'm going back to smoking cigarettes

[JavaJunkie]

I'm very sorry to hear that you're unhappy with vaping. Here's my advice, if you are unhappy with the flavor, durability, or amount of vapor from a refilled cart, perhaps you'd be better off buying factory filled carts. You said the factory filled ones would taste bad to you after a short while. Check with the manufacturer of those carts and see if other customer's are having the same issue. Sometimes with some carts, you can roll them, tap them, or otherwise refresh their flavor. It has to do with how the juice settles in the cart itself. Or, perhaps, the company you were buying your carts from uses a crappy supplier and you need to change companies.

If someone buys a Honda and they have a bad experience and then they buy a Ford and they have a bad experience, it's a bit of a non sequitur in my eyes for them to say all cars a bad. I got lucky with my e-cig purchase. I'm very happy with the first company I selected. I'm sorry you did not have that experience.

Analogs or e-cigs, the choice is yours, but I'd ask you think about why you wanted to try e-cigs at all. What were your reasons for that? Do you still contemplate those reasons? Were they health concerns or financial? Both? If those reasons existed before you tried e-cigs, they're going to exist when you go back to analogs.

As far as financial matters are concerned, I live in a tobacco state. My cigarettes were cheap compared to what other people dealt with. I went through roughly four cartons a month and it would cost me about $90.00. My first month on e-cigs cost me about $128.00 (80 for the starter pack, 20 for a bottle of juice I picked up at a local store and hated, and 28 for additional carts). That month vaping cost me more. The second month, I spent...I can't remember the exact dollar amounts, but it was something like 45 in juice (includes shipping) and 76 in carts. That's 121 total. vaping was more expensive. However, the third month has cost me 25 and that's just juice. I have plenty of carts because I bought too many last month. Technically, I didn't need to spend any money on juice that month because I have a few bottles left. I ran out of the flavor I really like and wanted to reorder some. So in three months I've spent 274 in vaping. I would have spent 270 on analogs. Come the fourth month, I'll be ahead with vaping.

Vaping does have a higher initial cost, especially if you're trying different types of PVs and not just different juices. Once you find a PV that you like (style, vapor production, battery life) all you need to worry about is the flavor (which seemed to be your biggest complaint). If you still have a PV, experiment with different flavors. Perhaps your problem was not the PV and it was the juice?

I hope you get this worked out.

 

[nocturn4l3030]

didn't read the other responses.. but if you want to get a PV + setup that'll 100% work for you with the best gear, then get a big battery mod like an 18650 3.7volt battery mod, with dual coil or/and boge cartomizers and/or Cisco/IKV atomizers.. all top of the line crap. and if you're still not satisfied then i really don't have nothing else to say. but seriously you can't go wrong with the above.

ya you may have spent alot of money, but the spending goes down after you're settled on a setup that works for you. and there is no money worth your life man. think about it and give it one more go before you really go back to cigarettes. PM me and i'll help you personally if you want

 

[txtumbleweed]

The PV's are improving everyday. I've been vaping 19 months now and there have been great improvements in that time. I would not give up but I would try a new setup. I would try the Echo, Go-go or Ego type with the new mega dual coil carto. These all work very good. Don't go back to smoking whatever you do. I have Copd myself from smoking so many years and sure wish I would have had e-cigs 20 years ago.

 

[nocturn4l3030]

Glad you came back in. Lots of speculation that you are a shill from Big Tobacco or Big Pharma. *sighhhh* LOL

Again, hope you'll consider coming to our social group meeting on Sunday. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oenix-vapors-meetup-sun-up-brewing-1-5pm.html You'll see and get to try out some gear that'll blow your mind (mods, cartos/attys) and get some sound advice to make your decisions on.

i have to second this. if you're serious about really wanting to convert to 100% vaping, there is no better place than to have people teach you in person, and you can try tons of different devices, setups and juice. there's just no way you can not succeed after going to a vape meet like this. please go to this

 

[Thulium]

Unless you want to try high voltage or a variable voltage mod, the Inferno is a solid eGo clone that will fit 510 atomizers, cartomizers and tankomizers as well as the 306 atomizer and many others will work with adapters. Keep in mind that cartomizers are meant to be disposable, and although they frequently work for many refills (especially if maintained) they are simply not built to last as long as a regular atomizer.

Like others have said, I highly recommend the new Dual Coil Cartomizers, but if you are finding the flavor drops off on cartridges, perhaps you should try dripping directly onto an atomizer. The (Cisco Spec) Low Resistance 306 atomizers with a driptip are a great choice for dripping because the bridge and coil is easier to reach and it makes great flavor and vapor. Simply drip 2-4 drops directly on the atomizer (or through the driptip) and vape until the flavor starts to diminish and add another drop or two. Avoiding the burnt taste is all about keeping liquid at the atomizer coil. If it goes dry, it can overheat the filler/wick and you get the nasty taste. Blech.

 

[Bauldronius]

There must be a "bad" way to smoke ecig that i have not yet figured out. My friends atomizers started to have a burnt taste and i gave him my own that i had vaped on for two days so he could vape on that till new ones arrived in the mail. One day in thats 1 he had burnt taste in that atomizer also. So how should you smoke ecig to maximize the life of an atomizer. (and avoid the burnt taste) The ato in case is ego-t.

 

[Thulium]

There must be a "bad" way to smoke ecig that i have not yet figured out. My friends atomizers started to have a burnt taste and i gave him my own that i had vaped on for two days so he could vape on that till new ones arrived in the mail. One day in thats 1 he had burnt taste in that atomizer also. So how should you smoke ecig to maximize the life of an atomizer. (and avoid the burnt taste) The ato in case is ego-t.

Usually it comes from people believing the package that says a cartridge lasts for some-hundred puffs. If a cartomizer or atomizer gets too dry, it will get too hot and tend to go bad faster. Its also important to remember that most cartomizers are designed to come pre-filled and then discarded, so if they "only" last a day or two, what exactly do you expect for $2? If you're careful a cartomizer can be refilled and reused for weeks or even months, but as with anything else "Your Mileage May Vary."

 

[louis]

How much is your health worth? This is the question you have to ask yourself.
I have gone through a lot of money trying different hardware also & have found that all have their champions.
I use CE2's on 808 & 510 batteries as I started with the 808 & then tried the 510 tank system & found the tanks are easier to fill but the atty's are hard to clean & longevity isn't very good.
Although I like the CE2's of about 2.4 ohm, I have ordered a Reo Mini & am looking for Cisco 306 atty's now so the search goes on.
If money was you only reason to try e-cigs then add up the cost of analogs as to what you have bought so far.
Also I am a former analog user of 48 years & was diagnosed with COPD 5 years ago & was to the point where I couldn't breath.
Last December my wife brought in a 4081 kit she found at the mall, which she paid way too much for, & announced she both of us to quit.
I used it off & on until I found this forum & the other options out there.
After I got my KR808 kit on Dec. 15th I totally quit & within 1 week I noticed I could breath again & had more stamina to do manual labor again.
If you don't use e-cigs then find another way to get of the analogs before you end up the way I was as the money you will save on doctors visits are $125.oo around here & I haven't had one since I started this system.
BTW you can clean CE2's with just hot tap water as I tried everything also.
Also don't burn them dry too much & use a paperclip to clean the ash off the coil & junk out of the cup under the coil.

Good Luck on Quitting,
Louis

 

[Puffadder]

Usually it comes from people believing the package that says a cartridge lasts for some-hundred puffs. If a cartomizer or atomizer gets too dry, it will get too hot and tend to go bad faster. Its also important to remember that most cartomizers are designed to come pre-filled and then discarded, so if they "only" last a day or two, what exactly do you expect for $2? If you're careful a cartomizer can be refilled and reused for weeks or even months, but as with anything else "Your Mileage May Vary."

+1 for Thulium. Another mistake some people make is they chain puff too quickly and the atomizer doesn't get a chance to cool a little between puffs. I usually try to keep 2 ready to go pv's handy and if I'm feeling a little too much heat from 1 of the attys or cartos than I switch to the other so the first one can cool.

Give it a try or wait an extra minute or 2 between puffs. Many of us starting out still have the analog habit of taking 10 - 15 puffs within a few minutes which can still burn a wet atty or carto as it can't wick as fast as you are vaping. Especially if you are using a thicker juice!

 

[guido61]

There must be a "bad" way to smoke ecig that i have not yet figured out. My friends atomizers started to have a burnt taste and i gave him my own that i had vaped on for two days so he could vape on that till new ones arrived in the mail. One day in thats 1 he had burnt taste in that atomizer also. So how should you smoke ecig to maximize the life of an atomizer. (and avoid the burnt taste) The ato in case is ego-t.

I agree.
Must be the finger over the fire button.
No matter how much care you put in your attys or cartoms. if you keep firing at the spped of light, you will get the burnt taste.
The less you feel your flavor, the more you are tempted to push the button longer. Bingo! your atom gets dry even if you have filled it few minutes before.
Slow down with puffs and will be fine.
My 2 coins.

 

[kyaku]

+1 for Thulium. Another mistake some people make is they chain puff too quickly and the atomizer doesn't get a chance to cool a little between puffs. I usually try to keep 2 ready to go pv's handy and if I'm feeling a little too much heat from 1 of the attys or cartos than I switch to the other so the first one can cool.

Give it a try or wait an extra minute or 2 between puffs. Many of us starting out still have the analog habit of taking 10 - 15 puffs within a few minutes which can still burn a wet atty or carto as it can't wick as fast as you are vaping. Especially if you are using a thicker juice!

There 'ya go. Only took 129 posts in this thread to come up with the mostly likely answer to the burnt taste problem.
... long
... slow
... puff.
Then wait a few seconds. Then,
... long
... slow
... puff...
I remember learning this ... and still have to remind myself every now and then.

 

[emcw]

Hello Ph0enician. Hope you're still reading this. What helped me was friends (husband and wife) who'd gone through a lot of cash trying to find the right thing and landed on V2 Cigs. The hubby had bypass surgery and needed to get off nicotine but couldn't give up the cigs. Anyway, it worked great for them. Now the wife is learning DIY. She (like me) is detail-oriented and figured how much they're actually saving now -- literally hundreds a year -- and hubby is doing great. They've gottn costs down to about 50 cents a pack. They let me try their stuff, including one they don't like, before I ordered. I'd recommend trying V2 Cigs and eventually learning DIY. Even if you don't DIY, watching the site for sales and stocking up can get cost down to about $1.20 a pack. You can't buy even the worst analogs for that. As for me, it's only been a month. I'm having some allergy problems and having to work through that and still smoking a few analogs here and there -- but I'm not doing the 2 packs a day I used to burn up. And, with the help of forums, I'm tracking down what I'm sensitive to. Here's the deal: analogs are bad news! Tobacco companies have deliberately added so many really bad chemicals (including amonia) to make them even more addictive that anything that might get you off them is worth a try.

 

[sln88]

I have to kind of agree with the OP here. Not that I will go back to analogs

I bought a Volt. It came with prefilled cartos. Tried it, and yeah, this is nice, but the flavor was lacking. No problem, I had ordered some juice

try filling it, and all the juices I tried except for cinnamon or mint were either yuck or tasteless. order more juice

and, I would get that burnt taste once in awhile. add more juice.

oops, now its leaking out the bottom. clean that up. Thank the Lord I listened to the people here that said to get a manual battery

ordered some blank KR808 cartos for my volt. I get this tiny wisp of vapor.

came here and asked. was told the voltage and resistance did not match up. maybe a USB passthru would help. ordered one of those.

got my order but they forgot to send it. had to wait a few more days til that came

someone else said that maybe it was the center post and I should pull that out. I am so inexperienced that I am afraid I will break it

still not tasting much of anything, I put in an order for triple flavored juice

got it, and well, still not much taste

read, and complained here. couple people mentioned that maybe it was the volt

saw a great deal on a T-rexx and figured I would try it

took a drag and OH MY GOD what is that taste? Thought maybe it was the juice in the carts so rinsed and tried my own. yuck yuck yuck

took out the 2nd atomizer and sniffed it. went in my garage and smelled lawn fertilizer. smelled the same

came here and read and asked ? was told that was the primer

read and found out how to clean it. I did, and then they atty did not work

came here and asked how I managed to screw it up

went back to original atty and puffed and puffed but did not inhale until I finally got rid of most of that taste

heyyyy. I kind of like this. easier pull than the Volt. slightly better taste

but, I have to fill the darn cart constantly

the next day the atty I thought I had ruined is magically working again. I guess it dried out but I don't get this because I thought attys get ruined if they dry out

so, came here and read and spent more money

decided to try some G4 cartos. I was afraid of them. heard lots of bad things

they finally show up and heyyyyy, this is kind of nice. Don't have to fill constantly. taste is a bit better. But, I feeling like drawing on this thing is like sucking up mud thru a straw. I suffered thru it for the improved taste. and then of course, you can't really take them anywhere because the juice could leak out so easily and I heard they break

it kind of killed my battery pretty quick so I go to use the other battery. The G4 does not work on that battery

came here and asked ? no reply. so, I just use the original atty and cart on that one, but we are back to the constant cart filling and maybe the taste is going and I am filling the cart too much, cause well, now, I have juice leaking out the bottom. and I don't really get the whole dripping concept

dropped a load of money at KBV cause everyone raves about them. did not get my order yet, but I am not expecting much.

so, yeah, ecigs are great. when they are working like they should. its just alot putzier and unsatisfying than I thought it would be. I read all the glorious reviews on flavors and to me its just blah. top that off with trying to figure out how to fill enough without overfilling or burning the cartos is a pain

maybe what I want does not exist? I like the easy draw of the T-rex with the atty and cart, but I don't like the constant filling. I like the ease of filling the G4 carto, but don't like much else about it. and I want some juice/PV combo that tastes GOOD! regular cartos are ok, but I am still get some burning tastes sometimes and not much taste. batteries don't bother me much because I am at home and can charge easily.

sorry- just whining here. this is costing alot of $$ and is more of a hassle than I thought it would be

 

[Bdbodger]

It does take time to find the right combination of battery, atomizer or cartomizer to use . Then some thing new comes out

 

[Uma]

You might want to consider a Bottom Feeder. All you need is an atty and juice and batteries. My first BF was the Old Goat without a catchcup and a Cisco LR 306 atty. Dang, the vapor and flavor was so satisfying!! I could also flood my Cisco without any problems, just gurgle through a few puffs and it was back to vaping like a champ. Due to not having a catch-cup it wouldn't wet the post and I never lost connection. However, it is a beginners BF, an affordable way to see if you like the idea and practice of a BF style eCig. With that in mind, as long as you're willing to change the battery and refill your juice bottle daily if not 2x or more a day, and not mind cleaning and drying the inside, then it's a good first one. They're light weight, easy to use, but yes, messy. Take the battery out, clean it, and you're ready to travel with it or wake up to it the next day.
After enjoying the BF style of vaping, I finally got my hands on a Reo Grand. It has a longer battery life and larger bottle. I can go 2 days easily between changing or refilling. (but i change and charge the battery every day for optimal performance). These Reo's are so clean and easy to use. They have catch-cups for the excess juice and tubes instead of a needle. The juice easily back down through the tube, which leaves the insides of the Reo super clean. I haven't had one single mess inside my Reo yet, except for dust and a wild hair. The Cisco doesn't like to be flooded with these, but it takes only a few hours to master the "squonk". These are literally one clean great vaping machine.
I still use the OG occasionally, especially with a new flavor to try or just for kicks, but the Reo Grand has become my Main Vape.
I also still use my eGo with prefilled LiquidXpress cartos (honey flu cured and grape), as well as topping off with whatever juice I have on hand. I have some eGo Mega Dual Coil Carto's coming soon and hope they'll work as well as I hope. But, the Boge cartos work fantastically enuff and I'm covered if the emdcc's don't work.
I hope you find your niche, flavor, pv, carto, atty, vapor, combo that works for you. Good luck!

P.S. The BF's (bottom feeders) are like direct dripping. There is absoluetly zero fluffy filler anything to burn. The juice goes directly to the atty. You can use a cartomizer if preferred, and squonk to keep it moist.

 

[Stownz]

failomizers ruin life for yet another person. Should sticky all the complaints about every revision of them so new users will quit getting screwed over and vaping that burnt tire flavor.

Hope you don't give up, there are many options out there. Bottomfeeders, dual coils cartos, boges, ect..

 

[JD1]

.....So that is why I'm going back to smoking cigarettes....

Your life and your choice, so all I would suggest is to keep firmly in mind that it's not as if you're trading one bad habit for another. There's a zillion threads in this forum about how fast our lungs clear up and overall sense of well being improves when we switch to vaping.. But vaporizing a liquid is far more complicated than burning leaves, as you well know by now. We all have to work at it to make it work for us.

Take a look at some of the newer video reviews. Hopefully you'll find something that suits you better, but I don't know of anything that's as simple as taking out a ciggy and lighting it up.

Hang tough, good luck on your research and vape on.

 

[swedishfish]

I have to kind of agree with the OP here. Not that I will go back to analogs

I bought a Volt. It came with prefilled cartos. Tried it, and yeah, this is nice, but the flavor was lacking. No problem, I had ordered some juice

try filling it, and all the juices I tried except for cinnamon or mint were either yuck or tasteless. order more juice

and, I would get that burnt taste once in awhile. add more juice.

oops, now its leaking out the bottom. clean that up. Thank the Lord I listened to the people here that said to get a manual battery

ordered some blank KR808 cartos for my volt. I get this tiny wisp of vapor.

came here and asked. was told the voltage and resistance did not match up. maybe a USB passthru would help. ordered one of those.

got my order but they forgot to send it. had to wait a few more days til that came

someone else said that maybe it was the center post and I should pull that out. I am so inexperienced that I am afraid I will break it

still not tasting much of anything, I put in an order for triple flavored juice

got it, and well, still not much taste

read, and complained here. couple people mentioned that maybe it was the volt

saw a great deal on a T-rexx and figured I would try it

took a drag and OH MY GOD what is that taste? Thought maybe it was the juice in the carts so rinsed and tried my own. yuck yuck yuck

took out the 2nd atomizer and sniffed it. went in my garage and smelled lawn fertilizer. smelled the same

came here and read and asked ? was told that was the primer

read and found out how to clean it. I did, and then they atty did not work

came here and asked how I managed to screw it up

went back to original atty and puffed and puffed but did not inhale until I finally got rid of most of that taste

heyyyy. I kind of like this. easier pull than the Volt. slightly better taste

but, I have to fill the darn cart constantly

the next day the atty I thought I had ruined is magically working again. I guess it dried out but I don't get this because I thought attys get ruined if they dry out

so, came here and read and spent more money

decided to try some G4 cartos. I was afraid of them. heard lots of bad things

they finally show up and heyyyyy, this is kind of nice. Don't have to fill constantly. taste is a bit better. But, I feeling like drawing on this thing is like sucking up mud thru a straw. I suffered thru it for the improved taste. and then of course, you can't really take them anywhere because the juice could leak out so easily and I heard they break

it kind of killed my battery pretty quick so I go to use the other battery. The G4 does not work on that battery

came here and asked ? no reply. so, I just use the original atty and cart on that one, but we are back to the constant cart filling and maybe the taste is going and I am filling the cart too much, cause well, now, I have juice leaking out the bottom. and I don't really get the whole dripping concept

dropped a load of money at KBV cause everyone raves about them. did not get my order yet, but I am not expecting much.

so, yeah, ecigs are great. when they are working like they should. its just alot putzier and unsatisfying than I thought it would be. I read all the glorious reviews on flavors and to me its just blah. top that off with trying to figure out how to fill enough without overfilling or burning the cartos is a pain

maybe what I want does not exist? I like the easy draw of the T-rex with the atty and cart, but I don't like the constant filling. I like the ease of filling the G4 carto, but don't like much else about it. and I want some juice/PV combo that tastes GOOD! regular cartos are ok, but I am still get some burning tastes sometimes and not much taste. batteries don't bother me much because I am at home and can charge easily.

sorry- just whining here. this is costing alot of $$ and is more of a hassle than I thought it would be

I don't know what a G4 is. If you get some boge 2.0 cartomizers it'll be similiar to the volt- battery & cart. Once you get the KBV juice you should be OK.

Good Prophets has boge 2.0 on sale - a box of 5 for $5.99 use code TVCfriend for 5% off. Once you get them I think it'll make a difference. I didn't see your other posts. I'm surprised no one mentioned trying cartos.

 

[Pepsifreak]

Wow that was a lot of reading, went thru all 14 pages. Seems there's been a whole lot of suggestions on PV's as well as cartos, clearo, dripping etc. I myself haven't had all that time in vaping myself either but I did go thru the whole gummed up, burnt atty,carto everything stage. I also didn't notice anyone suggest a different juice( ill admit, i did skim some). I've noticed the darker sweeter juices will crap things up a whole lot faster then a lighter juice. I use the ce2's also and only get about 2-3 refills with a dark juice like coffee, chocolate etc. I've been trying all types of juices lately and currently using an almost clear looking cinnamon juice and am up to 6 refills and still going strong. Perhaps try something along these lines. I've also noticed high vg based darker color juices are even quicker to crap things up then a lighter pg based juice. Maybe someone with more experience can elaborate if there's more to elaborate on. Just my input.

 

[sln88]

I don't know what a G4 is. If you get some boge 2.0 cartomizers it'll be similiar to the volt- battery & cart. Once you get the KBV juice you should be OK.

Good Prophets has boge 2.0 on sale - a box of 5 for $5.99 use code TVCfriend for 5% off. Once you get them I think it'll make a difference. I didn't see your other posts. I'm surprised no one mentioned trying cartos.

is there any reason the boge cartos would be better than my volt cartos? I just don't get much flavor from them