All mods do not actually fall in between the Vamo and the Provari, some regulated mods such as those that use the Nivel chip have a DC output rather than a PWM.
Why is a mod with an 18650 better/different than an MVP?
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I would love where you found that the MVP runs at 37hz. According to the videos done by pbusardo, this is furthest from the truth. The MVP 2 shows a flat output voltage with no detectable pulse width modulation on the output.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTrQPngaIm8
Look at 12:55 through 13:05 on the video.
Compare this to the signal on the SID
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ton-a8w9JKs
See 23:10 through 23:30.
The SID has PWM on the output at 33hz where as the MVP is a straight DC signal.
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I have been using and purposely overcharging lipos for years on high current R/C touring cars. They aren't as dangerous as cracked up to be, the worst that has happened to me was when one cell cracked in a soft case but all I got was voltage drop and it refused to charge on my quick charger. It got very warm but not to hot to touch. Fortunately it was a cheap direct from china no name battery designed to be cased so I was only out $15.
Please understand that I'm not saying someone will have a problem just because they are using a Lipo cell. I'm just saying that problems can & have happened with those cells. (mostly when being charged) A person either trusts them, or they don't ..... or they don't have a clue. Not having a clue worries me the most. Way to many people buy everything from cigalikes to MVP's without any idea of what kind of battery they have in them.
I know beyond any shadow of a doubt what type of battery I put in any of my PV's.
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I guess you don't use a cell phone, ipod, or tablet then.
LiPo's are used extensively in mobile electronics.
I love how people say they never plug in their MVP2 overnight and then think nothing of plugging in an iphone overnight.
An iphone 5s has a 1570 mAh LiPo battery and the Galaxy S4 uses a 2600 mAh LiPo battery. Yet no one worries about putting those next to your head.
That was assumption on my part, I assumed the SID, being newer, would use the better chip than the older MVP, seems I was wrong!
Don't worry about it. Even Innokin confuses me. The MVP2 and itaste vv3, both at the "lower end" of their line, cost wise have a nice flat DC signal.
You would think that Innokin would use that same voltage regulation circuitry on their higher end 18650 mods like the VTR or the 134. You would be wrong. Both the VTR and the 134 use a 47hz chipset. Makes no sense to me, but that being said, I love my MVP2. Great all in one package with outrageous battery life, and since I won't need to put it on the charger twice a day like most low capacity eGo's I know that the 300 charge cycles attributed to most LiIon batteries will last me close to two years.
I am looking at getting a ProVari when I get my Tax Refund though, just in case the FDA regulations on e-cigs gets really tight...
That's VERY interesting as I vaped a VTR the other day and was impressed with how smooth it was! I'd have sworn it was the 103hz chip!
I hate to badmouth the MVP as I have friends with them that love them, but I'm sick of throwing gear away! Once the battery goes, it's done and for a $40? mod, I don't think that's acceptable!
I won't get started on the Provari, as that isn't what this thread is about, but I'm sure you will be very happy with it!
You mean the VTR wouldn't give me the vape I like from the MVP and the iTaste VV v3? Well, scratching that one off the list... That makes zero sense. Eh, was likely too heavy and big anyway. I'm still mulling over the Provari though...
As for what batteries the MVP uses, I always thought lipo batteries were pretty safe. I use my phone as I charge it all the time, and nothing has exploded or given me any reason to believe it was unsafe. Is it the way lipo is being used in a vape that makes it less safe then other batteries? Or is it not knowing the brand that's being used?
As for what batteries the MVP uses, I always thought lipo batteries were pretty safe. I use my phone as I charge it all the time, and nothing has exploded or given me any reason to believe it was unsafe. Is it the way lipo is being used in a vape that makes it less safe then other batteries? Or is it not knowing the brand that's being used?
I'm not sure about the battery issue, Li-po's are sold as the safest chemistry out there right now and I've never had a problem with them?
The $40 I felt was one of the least intimidating prices I've seen online for an APV. As a result, I discovered I like the smooth vape that it offers, and am now considering spending the $200 on a Provari. The MVP has also shown me that I can and will stick with this for the long term, which again, convinces me that the $200 won't go to waste on a Provari. Just because someone buys an MVP, doesn't mean that they're officially out of the market for a Provari.
While I understand the whole "disposable" argument based on previous experience, the MVP2 really kind of makes that whole issue moot.
No one complains that the iPhone is a disposable device and you spend almost 10x more for an Iphone.
When we were vaping on cheap eGo batteries that required two charges a day, device life due to the battery was something to be concerned with. 300 charge cycles at 2 per day equated to just a couple months. We would vape those smaller capacity batteries until they cut out and then charge them.
However when you are charging once every 2 days, then your device life goes from 5 months to almost two years.
I have 2 MVP 2's. I rotate between them. That means each one hits a charge cycle every 4 days. At 300 charge cycles, you are looking at 1200 days which is almost 4 years.
And the 300 charge cycle life is based on 100% depth of discharge (3.0v) which is something that my MVP NEVER sees. I typically charge at 3.7 volts or above which almost doubles the number of charge cycles I can put my MVP through.
So I understand why people don't like "disposable" mods, but I think the long battery life of the MVP makes the argument a moot point.
Like I said, I'm trying not to bad mouth it, it is a great mod, but I didn't like throwing away $13 EGO's either, which is why I did buy the Provari.
Yes the are, not arguing that point at all! But, as I said above, so do EGO's at $13ea! At the time I was looking, the Evic had just come out and was selling at $150 for the kit you can get for $50 now and the SS ZMax was $130, bare!
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I think it depends on WHY one doesn't like disposable mods.
With the FDA of doom hanging over us. Even if things go like they did last time and lawsuits get things opened up again eventually we could conceivably have months or years with sales shut down and stuff being seized at customs. Not everyone can build their own mod even with good instructions. For that reason alone I really believe everyone needs one good solid replaceable battery device. In my case I went mech for even more ability to repair it.
I am not worried about the government making cell phone sale illegal. I can't say the same about mods right now unfortunately.
I think it depends on WHY one doesn't like disposable mods.
With the FDA of doom hanging over us. Even if things go like they did last time and lawsuits get things opened up again eventually we could conceivably have months or years with sales shut down and stuff being seized at customs. Not everyone can build their own mod even with good instructions. For that reason alone I really believe everyone needs one good solid replaceable battery device. In my case I went mech for even more ability to repair it.
I am not worried about the government making cell phone sale illegal. I can't say the same about mods right now unfortunately.
I sincerely hope you do get that life out of them, but from what I've been reading on the forum, I am doubtful you will.
You're right. But thats only speaking about the battery. Other parts of the device can and do fail. Once you run into a problem with another portion of the mod, the whole thing is toast, regardless of how well the batt is holding up.
The MVP series was released in 2012 and there are still people who are using their MVP V1's after a year with no noticeable issues.
Even if I have to replace an MVP once a year, I am still looking at 4 years before my expenditure matches that of a $160.00 mod. And that's not taking into account the battery replacement costs on the 18650 (approx. 15 bucks a piece)
I actually prefer the "all in one" nature of the MVP, since I don't have to carry around an bulky external charger with me and can charge it anywhere I can find a USB port or micro USB phone charger which I normally have with me for my other electronic devices.
The ONLY valid argument for me on purchasing a $160.00 mod that uses 18650's is the possibility that the sale e-cigs would be completely banned. Although that is a possibility, I don't see it happening unless research comes out that vaping is blatently hazardous.
And should THAT happen, if you really want to get you're vape on, you can do so with a mechanical mod, a rebuildable atty and some DIY juice.....
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