Why is everything i make so harsh on the throat?

[Jfaria1891]

I've noticed a substantially harsher throat hit from my DIY's compared to vender bought.

I'm just now getting to tasting my first DIY batches properly steeped a week 1/2 compared to the small samples taken from the batches that I warm water steeped. HUGE difference in harshness. I'm so relieved that my first attempts are actually vapable, tho still a bit harsh for me, still nonetheless tolerable.

I think your on to something with warm water steeping and it contributing to a harsh throat hit. I mean, one of my sample's flat out gave me a sore/scratchy throat the day after vaping it.

I first ordered 36mg PG based nicotine, thinking it would simplify measuring things out because my target nicotine level is 18mg. But my liquids are still a bit too harsh with the throat hit, even after age steeping. So I ordered stronger 60mg VG based nicotine; this should give me more "play room" with VG/PG ratios, especially considering just about all flavor concentrates are PG based and I didn't realize that I couldn't even obtain a 50/50 PG/VG with the nicotine base being too low in concentration and PG based. It shipped out today, I'll be sure to chime back in once I get to taste the results. I'm in the same boat as the OP here...

I started off on Blu's Johnson Creek 100% VG based stuff, and think I just wasn't expecting how harsh a PG heavy liquid with a comfortable 18mg nicotine level can be on my throat. I really think that the warm water steeping does something to the PG and nicotine mixture to amplify this 10x. Seriously, the difference between age steeping and the warm water was night and day as far as a harsh throat hit.

-B

Hmmm if this is true I hot water steeped all of my first batches I wonder if time will undo any of the damage I may have done I have them sitting right now with all the capes off letting them air out seeing if that will help calm down the harshness

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[e-pipeman]

For me I use all VG in my mixes apart from the nic base and flavours. This keeps harshness at bay. Reducing the nic also helps greatly.

 

[Chan SauWei]

possible u are using high voltage with your new DIY e-juice???

I have some bad taste experience with my some new DIY juice.. it is just nice taste with 3.9-4.2 volts but it turn to bad taste if >4.2 V...

try to play around the different voltage of ur mod... may help u....

 

[Jfaria1891]

E-pipeman I was just thinking that like do 70/30 vg/pg rather then 70/30 pg/vg and im using using it at 6watts with a 2.4 ohm coil that I kinda wrapped like a micro coil it glows from the center out im starting to get good at this coil buisness

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[Funk Dracula]

For me I use all VG in my mixes apart from the nic base and flavours. This keeps harshness at bay. Reducing the nic also helps greatly.

I'm learning as I go along e-pipeman! That's why I've got the stronger VG nicotine base on it's way. I've plenty of supply of regular VG and PG base without nicotine, but using the PG based lower concentration nicotine prevented me from even being able to lower the PG content, which I'm discovering I'm not enjoying because of the harshness.

Outside of finding a concentrated flavor source that is 100% VG it looks like I'm going to end up at least with a 10%-25% PG base with the flavors added alone. Better than the 80%-20% (80% PG) I've been able to mix thus far.

I'm really not willing to lower my nicotine level. I love me some nicotine, I've got some 100% VG vender liquids I use and have no issues with any of my tanks with wicking with some tweaks. Great non-harsh throat hit, but satisfying. So I think I'm definitely learning that I'm a VG person.

Almost there.... growing pains!

Like I said tho; I really did take note of a very, very noticeable difference with harshness of throat hit comparing hot water steeping and just letting it be for a week 1/2 on samples from the same batch. I'd love some chemist, or "uber experienced" mixologist chime in and verify one way or the other on why this may be a truly valid thing to consider when DIY or receiving really fresh vender liquids.

I'll be sure to try the water steeping with a 5ml sample of my next batch that will be as close to 100% VG as my flavor percentages will allow me and report back. I should receive my VG nicotine base either tomorrow or the day after.

@Jfaria1891 please do report back on your "water steeped, then aged steeped" results. There is a positive difference in flavor when water steeping compared to a quick shake and vape; but at what cost? hmmmm...


-B

 

[e-pipeman]

E-pipeman I was just thinking that like do 70/30 vg/pg rather then 70/30 pg/vg and im using using it at 6watts with a 2.4 ohm coil that I kinda wrapped like a micro coil it glows from the center out im starting to get good at this coil buisness

Sounds like a good mix to me. Do some test batches. I CERTAINLY wouldn't use 70% PG - WAY too thin!

 

[DeeDee1234]

if you would like to double check the math its 100mg base 12mg target 50/50. 1ml test batch is what i made. .12ml nic + .38ml pg + .5ml vg
pretty basic math lol.

i made a ticket with RTSvapes explaining what i was experiencing and the tests i did to find that the nic was the culprit and they emailed me back promptly saying that they are sorry that this happened and they will be sending me a new batch of nic today free of charge they also mentioned that the hot water steeping is bad because nic hates the heat and that they know that people use the hot water method because it causes the molecules to move around and mix faster but the nic despises hot temperatures and advised me to no longer steep my juices in anything other then a cool dark place. i just thought id pass on that tip.

the response to the ticket was within minutes and 12 mins later i had a tracking number for my new nic. A+ for customer serves for RTSvapes.

and as always thank you all for your helpful responses.

Have you tried making larger batches, say 10 mls. Using a high nicotine base at 100mg/ml and only making a one ml batch, a small deviation will change your strength greatly. .12 is a tiny,tiny amount like 2 drops, where as .17 not a large different on the actual measurement because of the sample size would bring you to 17mg/ml and enough for you to feel it harsher than normal.

My advise, either to dilute a small amount of your nicotine downward thus making the small measurements bigger or to make larger batches. I personally never make under 10mls as I feel it is less accurate at those micro amounts

 

[Calivapr123]

Have you tried making larger batches, say 10 mls. Using a high nicotine base at 100mg/ml and only making a one ml batch, a small deviation will change your strength greatly. .12 is a tiny,tiny amount like 2 drops, where as .17 not a large different on the actual measurement because of the sample size would bring you to 17mg/ml and enough for you to feel it harsher than normal.

My advise, either to dilute a small amount of your nicotine downward thus making the small measurements bigger or to make larger batches. I personally never make under 10mls as I feel it is less accurate at those micro amounts

Agree.

The margin of error on measurements for 1ml can be enormous, even for an experienced hand and professional equipment.

 

[Aurora-Oblivion]

I fully agree with what DeeDee1234 mentioned!

I used to try 3ml test batches and noticed this immediately on flavoring variances, and or what would actually fit into the 3ml bottle even So now I either do 5ml or 10ml at least

I couldn't even imagine trying to do 1ml test samples, maybe with 1000 micron pipettes in a CSI lab it would come out correctly

 

[Jfaria1891]

i never really thought of it that way i figured my 1ml syringe would be pretty curate .12 and .17 would have 5 little lines in between them so it would be pretty easy to measure .12 and .17 but id question the accuracy of the 50 cents syringe lol. i did make some 10ml and 20ml batches with the same outcome tho so i know im not crazy XD the problem most likely lies in my 50% pg being too much added with the fact of them not steeping properly. vendors must have a way of smoothing it out because even my 70/30 pg/vg from vendors are smooth.

 

[e-pipeman]

i never really thought of it that way i figured my 1ml syringe would be pretty curate .12 and .17 would have 5 little lines in between them so it would be pretty easy to measure .12 and .17 but id question the accuracy of the 50 cents syringe lol. i did make some 10ml and 20ml batches with the same outcome tho so i know im not crazy XD the problem most likely lies in my 50% pg being too much added with the fact of them not steeping properly. vendors must have a way of smoothing it out because even my 70/30 pg/vg from vendors are smooth.

Fair comment - but here's how it works for really bad diy guys like me. The more VG you add - the more vapour you get. The more PG you add - the more flavour you get. Use a low resistance atomiser - less flavour. Use a standard at medium-high volts - warm vape. Use an Octopus rda with nichrome and ekowool - well, that's a different story, Indoor use really - but the best vape for both flavour and vapour that you will ever get (Possibly).

 

[Vaptor]

The flavorings make juice harsh because many flavorings are an irritant to a throat. That's why you get some juice that have huge TH and some little yet Nic level is the same. It's not easy to make juice smooth. I've not been able to accomplish that, steeping helps but it's not the real answer and the few good juice makers wont' tell.