Why is such a high amp rating so desired?

[Pete54]

I'll probably get chastised for this, but here goes. Most (not all, but most) of the posters who seem to harp about amp limits are guys, and I think for some (not all, but some, and perhaps many) of them it is just another form of d!ck measuring.

Just like there are guys on motorcycle forums who fret about the shortcomings of this or that motorcycle when the practical truth is that ALL of them are more capable than the guy riding it and ANY of them will flatten your eyeballs against the back of your skull.

My opinion is that the amp limit is one of the LEAST important aspects of any PV. I'm sitting here vaping a lowly VTube and a Vivi Nova tank with a 2.8ohm head, and I can crank it up way past the point of burning my juice. So the amp limit that some preach about is a non-factor for me and I couldn't care less.

I think to a degree you are correct. However, different atty types require more or less power. A CE2 style atty is fine at 5-6 watts. A Boge carto is great at 7-9 watts. A Genesis atty requires more power period, and most of the people who are looking for high amp setups are driving 1.0Ω coils on a Genesis. I use a Genesis at about 10 watts. Guess I have small feet!

 

[negrete35]

@Pete54

OK, I get that. And I dont think that sounds unreasonable. It makes sense that different atty's will require different power levels to be able to operate correctly. I mainly started this thread I guess because the most often fault i hear people say about the Provari is that it 'only' has a 3.5 amp limit. And I read posts or threads about this or that product touting that it will have a 5 amp limit. Again I understand that flavor is all subjective and that people are going to do whatever it is that they want to do. I just wanted to know if I wanted to enhance my vaping experience, should I be looking for for a setup that will allow for more power. I still have a long way to go, I think, to get to where I want to be with my experience. I am not sure that I am completely satisfied with what I have. I am sure that my Provari will be able to deliver what I need, but currently, my DCT and my vivi nova arent. It might just be the juices I am using, which were pretty cheap BTW, so I am sure that is part of it. But I dont want to keep trying all these different juices with mediocre results. I guess I will just take what I have picked up so far and keep on trucking.

 

[Baditude]

I mainly started this thread I guess because the most often fault i hear people say about the Provari is that it 'only' has a 3.5 amp limit. And I read posts or threads about this or that product touting that it will have a 5 amp limit. Again I understand that flavor is all subjective and that people are going to do whatever it is that they want to do.

I think I know the thread that you are talking about, and also the poster who was ragging on the amp limit of the "overpriced" Provari and how the unit that he was touting would have a 5 amp limit.

Forget about that guy. He has recently ridiculed himself to the point where anything he says can be taken with a grain of salt. The unit that he was getting for couldn't even make it to market because the distributor himself felt the unit was too flawed to sell. Kudos to that guy, by the way.

The Provari has its amp limit for safety reasons. The Provape people are looking out for their customers' safety, and that is the reason that the entire Provape lineup, including the Provape 1, is among the safest in the industry.

 

[steved5600]

Some people want to vape at more than 14 watts.

I think it is Crazy but hey, to Each their Own.

Keep in mind that the higher the wattage the shorter the life time of the atty. Also you can burn the juice.

 

[Pappy]

. . . A Genesis atty requires more power period, and most of the people who are looking for high amp setups are driving 1.0Ω coils on a Genesis. I use a Genesis at about 10 watts. Guess I have small feet!

Pete, what I don't understand is why would anyone want to use a 1.0ohm coil? What does a 1.0ohm coil do that a 2.0 or 3.0 won't?

I'm not an electrical engineer, and I suppose there may be a valid reason, so this is not a rhetorical question. Educate me, please.

 

[kabonk]

I don't know but for me with a SR carto I like somewhere around 9.5 watts but with a genesis I seem to be happy slightly lower watts I try to keep my coils around 2.0 or higher if it's lower then 1.5 ohms I rework it

 

[Pete54]

Pete, what I don't understand is why would anyone want to use a 1.0ohm coil? What does a 1.0ohm coil do that a 2.0 or 3.0 won't?

I'm not an electrical engineer, and I suppose there may be a valid reason, so this is not a rhetorical question. Educate me, please.

The people using a 1.0Ω coil use fully mechanical devices that are limited to the 3.7 volt battery they use. Again, on a Genesis style rebuildable a 1.5Ω coil would be ok at 3.7 volts but not great. That would be about 9.1 watts and on rebuildables, the sweet spot really starts around 10-11 watts IMO. Hence the need for a lower resistance coil. If you're not using a Genesis style mod, the Provari is absolutely great. Even with a Genesis, if you keep your coil above 1.8Ω, Provari's are great. I'm sitting here using one myself.

 

[bumbleblue]

Hello everyone i am very new , so forgive me, but i also keep reading about vv and whatnot, i havent really a clue what most of this stuff means. I have bought a fair bit of new stuff to try and see what i like. Its quite difficult though to try and grasp the technical stuff. I am mostly using a fairly basic dual coil 18650 mod (epower). i really like it. But i am already feeling like i should be wanting something "better" but i have no idea what the hell it is... i have looked at the provari but again i dont feel i understand enough to make the cost worth it at the moment. What i mean is i am not sure i understand enough to know what i would be doing to use it correctly.

 

[zoiDman]

Hello everyone i am very new , so forgive me, but i also keep reading about vv and whatnot, i havent really a clue what most of this stuff means. I have bought a fair bit of new stuff to try and see what i like. Its quite difficult though to try and grasp the technical stuff. I am mostly using a fairly basic dual coil 18650 mod (epower). i really like it. But i am already feeling like i should be wanting something "better" but i have no idea what the hell it is... i have looked at the provari but again i dont feel i understand enough to make the cost worth it at the moment. What i mean is i am not sure i understand enough to know what i would be doing to use it correctly.

VV means Varaible Voltage.

Think of it like a Dimmer Switch on a Light Bulb.

You can Turn Down the voltage to get a Mellower Hit. Or you can Turn Up the voltage to get a Stronger Hit. And everything inbetween.

You might check out an eGo-C Twist. Its a Great way to check out VV for next to nothing price wise.

 

[Tonytiger1]

Pete, what I don't understand is why would anyone want to use a 1.0ohm coil? What does a 1.0ohm coil do that a 2.0 or 3.0 won't?

I'm not an electrical engineer, and I suppose there may be a valid reason, so this is not a rhetorical question. Educate me, please.

Until you try something keep an open mind. The genisis just works better and will be amazing at high amps. Better then a real cig. Trust us. It's not a way to be cool. It fires up faster. Normal drags. Not the 10 second ones. Warn vapor. Huge vapor. The are just the best but you have to like to fiddle. Some of these comments sound like some are not even legal to smoke.


Tony

 

[bumbleblue]

VV means Varaible Voltage.

Think of it like a Dimmer Switch on a Light Bulb.

You can Turn Down the voltage to get a Mellower Hit. Or you can Turn Up the voltage to get a Stronger Hit. And everything inbetween.

You might check out an eGo-C Twist. Its a Great way to check out VV for next to nothing price wise.

Oh thats the first time i have understood the point of it. Thanks zoiDman, oddly i have just said on another thread that i dont know what a twist is,, but now.. thanks to you i do. gonna check that out .

 

[nebulas]

Hello everyone i am very new , so forgive me, but i also keep reading about vv and whatnot, i havent really a clue what most of this stuff means. I have bought a fair bit of new stuff to try and see what i like. Its quite difficult though to try and grasp the technical stuff. I am mostly using a fairly basic dual coil 18650 mod (epower). i really like it. But i am already feeling like i should be wanting something "better" but i have no idea what the hell it is... i have looked at the provari but again i dont feel i understand enough to make the cost worth it at the moment. What i mean is i am not sure i understand enough to know what i would be doing to use it correctly.

The heating elements in a cartomizer or atomizer have a resistance rating anywhere from about 1.0 ohm to about 4.0 ohms.
Your device, or PV, is set to run at a certain voltage rating.
If you combine these two numbers, they give you total wattage or power.

Take a look at this Ohms Law Calculator. Online Conversion - Ohm's Law Calculator

Try entering 3.7 in the voltage box and 1.5 in the resistance box. Leave the other two blank, then click the 'calculate' button.
You will see the total watts (power) is around 9.1.

Now clear the calculator and try entering 4.7 for voltage and 2.5 for resistance. Calculate.
You should now see a similar total watts (power) as the first calculation, 9.2.

As you can see, the higher resistance your atomizer is, is the higher voltage your device needs to put out to reach your desired total watts. This is why people like VV devices because no matter what resistance their atomizer is, they can reach their desired wattage. Whereas, with a non-VV device you would have to make sure you are buying the correct resistance atomizers that will correctly match your devices voltage to achieve your desired watts.

I probably confused you more.... but I tried. If your still confused, then you might want to try to start your own thread about it and there will be a lot of people eager to help you understand.

 

[dBm0]

Yep, excellent point well made above comparing the different voltage and resistance figures and how they can be balanced to achieve the same sweet-spot wattage. Just would like to add one point about that. Take a look at the difference in total amp draw between those two examples. Pretty amazing isn't it? Lower resistance and voltage configurations pulls more amps on the battery! Who knew, right? Defies logic, but it's better for your charge time and overall battery longevity to use higher resistance atties with higher voltage settings to achieve your sweet-spot.

I didnt understand it either until i did the math on what i was using and figured out i was vaping around 12watts on my setup with a low res. cardo...

Hey there Teamcarp, was that a 1.5 ohm dual-coil carto by chance? If so, that actually makes sense because each coil is sharing the total wattage and amperage, so really you may indeed be vaping at 6 watts (two 3-ohm coils each firing at 6 watts), but 6 watts none the less. I use the same thing and that's right at my sweet-spot wattage as well for a sweet vanilla caramel tobacco flavor I use a lot.

 

[zoiDman]

Oh thats the first time i have understood the point of it. Thanks zoiDman, oddly i have just said on another thread that i dont know what a twist is,, but now.. thanks to you i do. gonna check that out .

Cool.

I have an eGo-C Twist as well as a Provari or two. Might even have a Lavatube laying around.

I have to say that they All do about the same. Some will last longer because the have a Bigger Battery. And some feel Better to hold because they are Stainless Steel versus Plastic.

But they all give about the same hit.

I think the eGo-c Twist is a Great VV PV. I have a 650mAh and it fits well in a Shirt Pocket. I like to use it when I go out and about Running Errands.

 

[Tonytiger1]

Dry burn on a did. Coils are much thicker. Needs more power. This is done every so often to clean. I started using rebuild Atty saves cost and vapes 10 times better.

5 cents to recoil. Once a month. Vs 2 bucks every 2-3 days. Pays for itself over short time.

Tony

 

[bumbleblue]

Wow i think i am starting to get it. Just been looking at the c twist thingy. But got side tracked into looking at the lava tube chrome version on offer. its looks great, though i understand a new version is on the cards?? so a bit confused ( actually i have been since taking up vaping) or giving up smoking whatever.

 

[Tonytiger1]

Wow i think i am starting to get it. Just been looking at the c twist thingy. But got side tracked into looking at the lava tube chrome version on offer. its looks great, though i understand a new version is on the cards?? so a bit confused ( actually i have been since taking up vaping) or giving up smoking whatever.

If I could make a suggestion. Invest in a genisis atty first and put it on a inexpensive pv. Like a bolt. Then upgrade your pv latter. This will save you 100s of dollars in upgrades late. Most of us who have been vaping for over 3 years wish we knew then what we know now


Tony

 

[zoiDman]

Wow i think i am starting to get it. Just been looking at the c twist thingy. But got side tracked into looking at the lava tube chrome version on offer. its looks great, though i understand a new version is on the cards?? so a bit confused ( actually i have been since taking up vaping) or giving up smoking whatever.

A Lavatube isn't a Bad Call either.

I have one. Actually a Mini-Lavatube but it does the same thing as it's Bigger Brother. Just doesn't last as long because of the Smaller Battery.

But it is easier to carry. Everything is a Trade Off.