well, since he had been managing to get his cigarettes illegally I expect he could manage to get his vape setup illegally, too.
Why the hate on for recreational vapers?
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Sorry I haven't had time to read all the posts, I'm on my way to bed. Just thought I'd check in before I do so.
I wholeheartedly agree with the OP. I'm on my last 300ml of 6mg, then I'm going for 0mg. The reason is that I hate any association between smoking and vaping. I even dislike the name, 'e-cigarette.' It's misleading. Although I don't see any harm in a little nicotine, just like a little caffeine, I want to be free from the, "using e-cigarettes is a substitute for smoking." It was a substitute to begin with, but it isn't now. For me, vaping and smoking are worlds apart. Also, vaping 0mg may evade any regulation if any does come along in the future. For example, I have heard that vaping with nicotine is illegal in Japan but that vaping 0mg is not.
I wholeheartedly agree with the OP. I'm on my last 300ml of 6mg, then I'm going for 0mg. The reason is that I hate any association between smoking and vaping. I even dislike the name, 'e-cigarette.' It's misleading. Although I don't see any harm in a little nicotine, just like a little caffeine, I want to be free from the, "using e-cigarettes is a substitute for smoking." It was a substitute to begin with, but it isn't now. For me, vaping and smoking are worlds apart. Also, vaping 0mg may evade any regulation if any does come along in the future. For example, I have heard that vaping with nicotine is illegal in Japan but that vaping 0mg is not.
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My girlfriend is a recreational vaper, and it's likely all my fault - I'm seriously a terrible influence.
Kidding aside, she uses it for a couple of different reasons. The hand-to-mouth motion helps her curb a lot of her anxiety, and the sweet flavors help her curb the sweet tooth. These are both benefits that I've found with vaping myself!
and I'm sure not complaining about her recreational use, because she spoils me when she gets a new juice she really likes by buying me a bottle with nic. Livin' the good life.... LOL.
Kidding aside, she uses it for a couple of different reasons. The hand-to-mouth motion helps her curb a lot of her anxiety, and the sweet flavors help her curb the sweet tooth. These are both benefits that I've found with vaping myself!
and I'm sure not complaining about her recreational use, because she spoils me when she gets a new juice she really likes by buying me a bottle with nic. Livin' the good life.... LOL.
Wow, I didn't know there was attitude for 0nic vapers! I got into it with no intention of ever using nicotine juices, but not because of a trend, either. I mainly wanted to stop snacking at night and thought this was a great idea. (Both parents flipped when I told them I was getting one. One has since relaxed--and even joined me--when I got 0nic and promised it would stay that way.)
I was surprised to get carded at a local store, when the first I went in didn't. I knew I was getting 0nic, but I didn't think of not being able to tell the difference to a bystander!
I was surprised to get carded at a local store, when the first I went in didn't. I knew I was getting 0nic, but I didn't think of not being able to tell the difference to a bystander!
Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And on the subject of having fun...
https://news.vice.com/article/jihadi-group-isis-publicly-torched-cigarettes-and-booze-in-syria
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Thank you, Sheerpoetry. I do admit to vaping a LOT for that reason. Potato chips and soda are WAY more expensive and even worse for you, I think, than cigarettes. Because you have to eat and drink, it's so easy to do way too much, especially when you have a job where you spend most of your time on your rump in front of a computer (or three). Not only have I stopped smoking analogs, but I've also cut back on my soda drinking to about one a day from at least four or five.
I'm thinking, if we can get vaping accepted as an art form, it will really help on the legislative front. Prohibition really hurt the California wine industry and even during the height of prohibition, there was an exception for hard cider makers. (Yes, I'm a font of totally useless trivia.) Myself, I think it would also be good for artisan and small tobacco producers as well. I'd also like to see more done with WTA and juices that use actual tobacco extracts, like you see from Ahlusions and Virgin Vapor. (Annette is a Goddess. I have some of her Dark Side of the Moon and it's sheer heaven if you want a dessert vape. Don't let the tobacco scare you off if you've never smoked. It's totally outrageously tasty. Nutty, smokey, chocolaty goodness in 0 calories.)
And you shouldn't have to worry about a bystander. That's like the whole issue with non-alcoholic beer and wine. I remember getting carded as a kid for near beer a couple of times and having to get the manager to approve it. Ridiculous. Good for you on not even thinking about it. Shows you have a great sense of what's appropriate and aren't as likely to cave in to peer pressure.
Katya, my mother still lives in Cali and I grew up there. Can't tell you how many students here from Cali either 1) totally refuse to go back or 2) get all worked up about our 'stupid tax' here in Nevada. (I call gambling a stupid tax because it's a totally voluntary tax on the stupid. If you're stupid enough to come here, give us all your money, you can then go home and we get to enjoy it.) But we're swiping your tech. No state income tax, far less busy body in your face state gub'mint, almost everything is legal ... what's not to like? Outside of Vegas (which isn't really Nevada) we'll probably even legalize ........ before a lot of other states. It's just not worth the cost of prohibition if the Feds ever give up their hold on it.
Which is something to think about and the artisinal nature of ejuice. ........ and ... products never had the 'art' standing of alcoholic beverages. It's a real protector in a lot of ways. Most pipe and cigar tobaccos are FAR cheaper than cigarette products, for example. They're also far less regulated. This may also be why I don't get so freaked out about the FDA regulations thing. There are a few excellent small tobacco blenders here in the states that are doing quite well, thank you very much. They too keep an eye on the FDA but so far, it's just too small a business.
Now if vapers could get in bed with little tobacco, like pipe and cigar aficionados, where taste and style are paramount, then I think we'll have a better chance of surviving the idiots. Instead of running, promote our artists! Show off what we've created.
Instead of the negative, "Well, only if you've smoked and it's all about the nicotine." point out the art and craft of creating a truly exceptional vaping experience. Make it positive and approachable. A Reubens painting isn't an expensive Playboy centerfold! This is an art that anyone can enjoy, anywhere in the world. That's not true for food, since you have to be at the restaurant. But if vaping starts taking off, maybe even have vaping equipment in bars for patrons to rent the way they ... that's a really, really good idea.
Being able to order a vape to go with your cocktail. That would rock. "Yes, I'd like a Jack and coke with a side of BC Fire and Ice, please." It would also be a great thing to sell to patrons who are the designated driver. They could still indulge with their buddies, just not in alcohol.
But yes, I think the way to keep vaping safe from the people who can't mind their own business is to promote the art of vaping. It's a lot harder to ban something that is protected under 'freedom of expression', at least outside California. (running away after yanking chain)
I'm thinking, if we can get vaping accepted as an art form, it will really help on the legislative front. Prohibition really hurt the California wine industry and even during the height of prohibition, there was an exception for hard cider makers.
(Yes, I'm a font of totally useless trivia.) Myself, I think it would also be good for artisan and small tobacco producers as well. I'd also like to see more done with WTA and juices that use actual tobacco extracts, like you see from Ahlusions and Virgin Vapor. (Annette is a Goddess. I have some of her Dark Side of the Moon and it's sheer heaven if you want a dessert vape. Don't let the tobacco scare you off if you've never smoked. It's totally outrageously tasty. Nutty, smokey, chocolaty goodness in 0 calories.)And you shouldn't have to worry about a bystander. That's like the whole issue with non-alcoholic beer and wine. I remember getting carded as a kid for near beer a couple of times and having to get the manager to approve it. Ridiculous. Good for you on not even thinking about it. Shows you have a great sense of what's appropriate and aren't as likely to cave in to peer pressure.
Katya, my mother still lives in Cali and I grew up there. Can't tell you how many students here from Cali either 1) totally refuse to go back or 2) get all worked up about our 'stupid tax' here in Nevada. (I call gambling a stupid tax because it's a totally voluntary tax on the stupid. If you're stupid enough to come here, give us all your money, you can then go home and we get to enjoy it.) But we're swiping your tech. No state income tax, far less busy body in your face state gub'mint, almost everything is legal ... what's not to like? Outside of Vegas (which isn't really Nevada) we'll probably even legalize ........ before a lot of other states. It's just not worth the cost of prohibition if the Feds ever give up their hold on it.
Which is something to think about and the artisinal nature of ejuice. ........ and ... products never had the 'art' standing of alcoholic beverages. It's a real protector in a lot of ways. Most pipe and cigar tobaccos are FAR cheaper than cigarette products, for example. They're also far less regulated. This may also be why I don't get so freaked out about the FDA regulations thing. There are a few excellent small tobacco blenders here in the states that are doing quite well, thank you very much. They too keep an eye on the FDA but so far, it's just too small a business.
Now if vapers could get in bed with little tobacco, like pipe and cigar aficionados, where taste and style are paramount, then I think we'll have a better chance of surviving the idiots. Instead of running, promote our artists! Show off what we've created.
Instead of the negative, "Well, only if you've smoked and it's all about the nicotine." point out the art and craft of creating a truly exceptional vaping experience. Make it positive and approachable. A Reubens painting isn't an expensive Playboy centerfold! This is an art that anyone can enjoy, anywhere in the world. That's not true for food, since you have to be at the restaurant. But if vaping starts taking off, maybe even have vaping equipment in bars for patrons to rent the way they ... that's a really, really good idea.
Being able to order a vape to go with your cocktail. That would rock. "Yes, I'd like a Jack and coke with a side of BC Fire and Ice, please." It would also be a great thing to sell to patrons who are the designated driver. They could still indulge with their buddies, just not in alcohol.
But yes, I think the way to keep vaping safe from the people who can't mind their own business is to promote the art of vaping. It's a lot harder to ban something that is protected under 'freedom of expression', at least outside California.
(running away after yanking chain)
Me, too. Thought I was the only one who started vaping for this reason! I've never smoked analogs, but I've substituted vaping for snacking.
I enjoy recreational vaping with friends and see nothing wrong with doing it. It feels and tastes good
I have no problems with rec vaping. While I have used vaping to quit smoking, how can I, who had a terrible, damaging habit for almost a quarter of a century judge someone for a non disgusting, fun and harmless hobby.
In Ohio, you must be 18 to enter a vape shop. I have no problems with that. My kids love that we are vaping instead of smoking, but they're too young at this point to make that decision for themselves.
In Ohio, you must be 18 to enter a vape shop. I have no problems with that. My kids love that we are vaping instead of smoking, but they're too young at this point to make that decision for themselves.
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