Why Vapers are getting a BAD NAME.

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zoiDman

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In my opinion, and my opinion only...

The issue is that people have been beaten down so much by the anti-smoking campaigns and made to feel so much shame and so much like a third-class citizen that they view vaping in the same manner. And, again IMHO, it's a totally different thing as has been proven by so many recent studies.

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This could apply to Some People.

But the "A" word I referenced Applies to Vapers and their Behavior Patterns.
 

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Shamelessly admitting you lost me on that one...

No Problem.

The Word I was Looking for was "Addiction".

It isn't brought up here much. But I wonder how much Addiction to Using an e-Cigarette plays in Some People "vape Everywhere" view?

And before the Obligatory replies pour in that "Nicotine Isn't Addictive" or some Silly Comparison of Nicotine to things like Coffee/Caffeine, I said "Addiction to Using an e-Cigarette".
 

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Yes, yes, I know the feeling of not being fond of some people and their drones.
And that includes Mr. Penis Envy (Posting No 190) .
Yes, yes, some people do choose some curious side kicks to get their FUD message across.
But then, I suppose it's all in a day's work.
And if the pay is right, you can't be choosy about your type of bedfellows, can you? *sweet smile*

I'm sorry but the disingenuous nature of you're posts has lead me to disregard most of what you say. I assume you're insenuating that I'm employed to undermine the efforts of this community (ANTZ!). Seems that way. It's neat how many different ways you can repeat yourself through the months. I can't complain about you being inconsistent. I could accuse you of a lot of things. But I'll allow your well reasoned views and fact based accusations be your accuser.

PS. We've already had one link war. I like how it made you scarce for a while. I'm not sure I care enough this time around. There are too many of your posts I could link to. I don't feel like being overwhelmed with options. Then, I'd have to read through them. Reading through your posts was painful enough once. I really don't want to do it again.
 
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OK. I'd have to say it's a huge part.

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I'm not sure How Long the Average Vaper can go without Taking a Hit, and it is Really a Case by Case matter, but I wonder if some of the Vape Everywhere crowd can't go as long as say someone with more Moderate Views.

It would be Interesting to be able to Know.
 

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PS. Do you really want to have a link war again? Remember how that panned out for you last time? I have a link or two ready if you really want to submit our findings to a jury of our peers. :)

If this is the Thread I am Thinking of, It was Hysterical.

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I'm not sure How Long the Average Vaper can go without Taking a Hit, and it is Really a Case by Case matter, but I wonder if some of the Vape Everywhere crowd can't go as long as say someone with more Moderate Views.

It would be Interesting to be able to Know.
Honestly, I was pushing at at ninety minutes for cigarettes.

I was in the garage prepping one of my race bikes the other day and realized I'd left my PV in the living room. For about five hours.

One advantage to vaping is definitely decreased cravings, at least for me.

I don't vape in public because I have to. It's generally because I want to, you know, pursuing happiness. :D
 

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I don't vape in public because I have to. It's generally because I want to, you know, pursuing happiness. :D

Do you think that there might be Some People who Can't go as long as you can? And that they Can't get thru the day Limiting their Vaping the Same Way they Limited their Smoking?
 

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Yeppers. LOL! Sorry I changed my post. I'm trying not to be too confrontational! And honestly, the reason I stated in the edited post is accurate.

That was a Lesson Learn about Posting Garbage Links. A Painful One, but a Lesson all the same.

BTW - I've noticed a Pattern on these Threads. And that is Whenever the "A" word is Broached, the Hard Liners seem to Fade back into the Shadows.

LOL
 

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Absolutely, no question.

I do Also.

People Don't Like to hear it, but I think the Mental Dependency of Using an e-Cigarette Many Times Clouds Some Peoples Thinking.

Funny how I Never heard much talk about Not Being Able to smoke inside Enclosed Spaces. It was a Non-Issue.

But now that Some People have Switched, It is a Huge Issue with them.
 

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Again personal opinion and experience only, but it seems like since I've gotten away from the tobacco that the nicotine addiction is about as intense as that of caffeine. It's just not that "gotta have it" kind of nic fit that accompanied cigarette deprivation.

I find it odd that in a world where daytime TV shows can be devoted to "chocolate addiction" that nicotine addiction is so misunderstood and demonized.
 

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Funny how I Never heard much talk about Not Being Able to smoke inside Enclosed Spaces. It was a Non-Issue.

But now that Some People have Switched, It is a Huge Issue with them.
It depends on your age. In the 80s it was a pretty charged topic.

Until the .gov ban hammer came down, I knew plenty of people who would go so far as to turn down jobs because it was a no-smoking environment. That's since been pretty much beaten out of people.
 

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Again personal opinion and experience only, but it seems like since I've gotten away from the tobacco that the nicotine addiction is about as intense as that of caffeine. It's just not that "gotta have it" kind of nic fit that accompanied cigarette deprivation.

I find it odd that in a world where daytime TV shows can be devoted to "chocolate addiction" that nicotine addiction is so misunderstood and demonized.

It really Doesn't matter if Nicotine is involved or Not.

The Plain and Simple Truth is that Many People can't get from the Cab to the Curb without taking a Hit of their PV. Some could call it more of a Pacifier than a PV.

So a person might ask, is it that Unusual for a Individual that uses a PV Constantly, and can Not Go the Same Amount of time between hits as with Analogs, to Want to be able to Vape Everywhere?

And that people who Can use e-Cigarette more like Analogs might have a More Moderate View on Indoor Vaping?
 

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Well well well, our resident anti-vaper and his side kick have again happily derailed a thread.
Congrats, sweetpeas!
Yeah.. it is all the fault of the vapers. What else is new, coming from that source.

Oh by the way, how much do you get paid for doing what you do?
Yes, yes, it might be fun for a while to be contrary. Like joining a vegan forum and advocating the consumption of meat in each and every thread about food. It might also be fun for a while to point out - at every possible opportunity - that vegan food is horribly unhealthy and that vegans are a bunch of silly nincompoops addicted to their way of life. Yes, yes, that might be entertaining. For a while.
But after a time, that gets old.
Financial interests now, those are another matter. Are they not? *sweet smile*
 
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wait.. what?

Are you suggesting that people can be more dependent on vaping than they were on smoking?

Not Suggesting. Stating.

There have been Many Threads here on the ECF where people talk about a Greater Dependency to e-Cigarettes than to Analogs.

A Healthier Choice, No Question. But More Dependent for Many People.

How Long have you been Vaping? Do you Vape more times and spend More Time vaping than you when you Smoked?
 
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