Why Vapers are getting a BAD NAME.

[Berylanna]

I think what happens sometimes is we Forget that the people you talk to here on the ECF are Very Different from the Average Non-vaping Person you meet in Public. And that their Level of Expertise with regards to e-Cigarette is Usually Less than what a ECF Newbie with 10 Posts has.

Where I Clash with Many Members is I don't think that the Best Way to Educate the Uninformed Public is thru the vape Everywhere Attitude.

Yes, vaping inside Wal-Mart may Educate 1 or 2 People. But it Pisses Off Many More. And that Gives ALL Vapers a Bad Name
A Numbers Game is Not a Game we Want to be Involved in. Educate 1, Piss Off 3. Because we are Out Numbered 100 to 1 to start.

I think the Education and the Acceptance will come thru the Media.

I don't have a Vape Everywhere attitude but I have a vape-a-lot-of-places attitude, partly because if I can't I'll end up smoking when I finally reach a spot where both are allowed.

But I think I also disagree with you about the media. Partly from watching them, and partly from seeing that newbies with less than 5 posts seem to have better math and logic skills (and loyalties!) than the media. When I took journalism, I was the ONLY person in my college class that could perform a 4th-grade math problem. And that's when also given a tool (proportion wheel) that does it for you.

The problem: when you shrink a 2X4 picture to fit a 1.5-inch column, how tall will it be?

It was a matter of religion to them that they have NO need to understand ANY topic as long as they can interview 2 people who disagree with each other.

Yuck.

 

[DC2]

It was a matter of religion to them that they have NO need to understand ANY topic as long as they can interview 2 people who disagree with each other.

Well that certainly explains a lot of things...

 

[zoiDman]

... When I took journalism, I was the ONLY person in my college class that could perform a 4th-grade math problem. And that's when also given a tool (proportion wheel) that does it for you.

The problem: when you shrink a 2X4 picture to fit a 1.5-inch column, how tall will it be?

...

LOL

Trust Me... I have seen this about 100,000 Times.

2/4 = X/1.5 ?

(Assuming that 2 is the Original Height and 4 is the width. And 1.5 is the Width of the Column to fit in)

 

[Baldr]

Sigh. This is fast becoming an exercise in tail chasing. Let me try to be as clear as I can: I'm not saying vaping is unsafe. I'm saying WE. DON'T. KNOW.

Someone said that it is safe. You blew a gasket.

Every bit of available evidence is that it's safe, but you're so set on lying about it that you don't give a damn.

 

[Baldr]

Why? Farcical "news" they hear. Stories of poisoned babies and antifreeze.

The antifreeze thing shows how these people think.

Most antifreeze is toxic, very bad for you. When they want to make antifreeze that is safer (which is needed for some purposes) then PG is used.

So they are right, it's an ingredient in antifreeze - but it's purpose in antifreeze is to make it safer. A fact that the jerks who lie about how harmful vaping is never happen to mention.

 

[Berylanna]

The antifreeze thing shows how these people think.

Most antifreeze is toxic, very bad for you. When they want to make antifreeze that is safer (which is needed for some purposes) then PG is used.

So they are right, it's an ingredient in antifreeze - but it's purpose in antifreeze is to make it safer. A fact that the jerks who lie about how harmful vaping is never happen to mention.

My answer to that is that "___Insert ethnicity of listener here__ restaurants put an ingredient of toilet cleaner in their food."

(Vinegar, used in some of the 'greener' toilet cleaners.)

 

[Berylanna]

LOL

Trust Me... I have seen this about 100,000 Times.

2/4 = X/1.5 ?

(Assuming that 2 is the Original Height and 4 is the width. And 1.5 is the Width of the Column to fit in)

Actually I suspect it was 3X5 because I remember I had to use a pencil.

 

[zoiDman]

10 Rules of Capitalization

Really, it's not just random. Most people learn this in grade school.

http://......./1efTVtV

Oh Well. Rules are Made to be Broken.

And being a Conformist was just Never in my Genetic Makeup.

 

[zoiDman]

Actually I suspect it was 3X5 because I remember I had to use a pencil.

3-x-5?

I guess I'm not cut out to be in Journalism.

LOL

 

[LDS714]

Oh Well. Rules are Made to be Broken.

And being a Conformist was just Never in my Genetic Makeup.

That's giving internet forums a bad name.

 

[aceswired]

Incorrect. SECOND-HAND vaping is already proven to be the same as long-long-tested breathing normal air anywhere food is allowed.

Cite. Be sure the citation refers to heated pg/vg, since I'm sure you know that makes a difference. I'll wait on this one....

EVERYTHING IN ECIGS IS LONG-KNOWN TO BE IN FOOD VAPOR.

LOL. Didn't know my tobacco extracts were in my food. Or that rather nasty chemical in buttery flavors. Or any of the other harmful chemicals vendors have learned to avoid. Nice to learn!




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[aceswired]

Someone said that it is safe. You blew a gasket.

Every bit of available evidence is that it's safe, but you're so set on lying about it that you don't give a damn.

Liar is a claim that requires a certain burden of proof. Please point to a single untrue statement, quoted, that I've made. Or apologize for baseless namecalling, which violates forum rules.

Let's be adults and discuss without the juvenile tactics.

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[LDS714]

Cite. Be sure the citation refers to heated pg/vg, since I'm sure you know that makes a difference. I'll wait on this one....




LOL. Didn't know my tobacco extracts were in my food. Or that rather nasty chemical in buttery flavors. Or any of the other harmful chemicals vendors have learned to avoid. Nice to learn!




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LOL, you've really not read up on any of this have you?

Redirect some of your head-banging time to doing some research. Search for terms like 'CASAA' and Farsalinos.

Or even look back in this very thread for the links. They're here. Yes, this very thread...

It really is those who must be spoonfed that are gonna bring us down...

Ever cooked with margarine? Then you've inhaled diacetyl vapor. Ever make buttery microwave popcorn? Ditto.

Please point to a single untrue statement, quoted, that I've made.

Diacetyl and acetoin are two compounds that give butter its characteristic taste. Because of this, manufacturers of artificial butter flavoring, margarines or similar oil-based products typically add diacetyl and acetoin (along with beta carotene for the yellow color) to make the final product butter-flavored, because it would otherwise be relatively tasteless

 

[zoiDman]

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Ever cooked with margarine? Then you've inhaled diacetyl vapor. Ever make buttery microwave popcorn? Ditto.

See Post #1109

 

[LDS714]

See Post #1109

DIFfeRenT conTEXt.

 

[aceswired]

Well I'm out. There's not much left to gain. To my experience, there is a segment of the ecf population that will meet with hostility even the suggestion that things might not be entirely safe (note the word "might," as many of these same people will take that sentence as a declaration that vaping will kill us all).

Those who need so desperately to believe that all risk factors are 100% known and accounted for, and hail a man who vapes in the delivery room in a hospital as a crusading hero, simply are going to lack the common ground required for me to have any sort of meaningful exchange. So if someone else wants to try, be my guest. Just remember, in this thread, if you say something isn't known, that's exactly the same as declaring vaping unsafe (liar!).

Out.

 

[zoiDman]

DIFfeRenT conTEXt.

OK



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[sonicdsl]

Now that someone has resurrected this thread, I will remind you all once more to keep it civil please!


http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ecf-forum-rules/51178-forum-rules.html

 

[Baldr]

Liar is a claim that requires a certain burden of proof. Please point to a single untrue statement, quoted, that I've made. Or apologize for baseless namecalling, which violates forum rules.

Let's be adults and discuss without the juvenile tactics.

Here is one. "Vaping in the delivery room carries ZERO reward." Obviously the guy vaping there felt he got something from it.

You lie often enough that pointing out your lies isn't difficult.

If you want to be adult, then don't pretend that there are a bunch of health hazards until you have some evidence to back it up.

 

[Berylanna]

Cite. Be sure the citation refers to heated pg/vg, since I'm sure you know that makes a difference. I'll wait on this one....

It's in food. Food can be heated. PG is used in bars and theatres and Disney On Ice as stage smoke. And in hospital air supplies to kill germs. And operating rooms. Same reason. And FDA-approved asthma inhalers.

And NO, it does NOT make a difference if it is not hot when the second-hand folks breathe it, because it is not heated to a temperature high-enough to change it chemically. However, since it is in my mustard (Beaver brand) in my refrigerator, and people cook with mustard, there you go.

Propylene Glycol (Inactive Ingredient) - Drugs.com

VG: same about heating.

Liquid Vegetable Glycerin Recipes | Yummly

Food flavorings: probably the most-dangerous ingredient in vape per the best scientists currently studying vapor. Obviously used in cooking.

Nicotine: FDA-approve FOR INHALING. DIRECTLY. In nicotine inhalers. Also, the Clear Stream study put people in a room with vapers and almost no ventilation for 10 hours, ZERO blood nicotine uptake in the non-vapers in the room.

Per the math of what is in ecigs, if you locked lips with a vaper for an extended period of time, you'd get the same nicotine you'd get from eating tomatoes, 2 oz of French fries, eggplant, or chili peppers. If the Mom had half a baked potato before she went into labor, she already had more nicotine in her bloodstream than she could get if her husband exhaled the vapor directly into her lungs.
Potatoes, tomatoes, and I think the other two, are "nightshade" family plants very closely related to tobacco.

PEER-REVIEWED STUDY showing SECOND HAND VAPOR IS SAFE, using 9000 samplesl:

CASAA: New study confirms that chemicals in electronic cigarettes pose minimal health risk

LOL. Didn't know my tobacco extracts were in my food. Or that rather nasty chemical in buttery flavors. Or any of the other harmful chemicals vendors have learned to avoid. Nice to learn!

Well, that is the point. We want you to learn. PLEASE tell me you didn't think butter flavoring is never in your food!

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