Bottom line is I vape when and where I choose. If I feel it will not be an issue, then I let out a cloud or two. If I am at a vape meet then I fog it up. However, if I am somewhere where it will not be well tolerated or appreciated then I stealth vape..Because I can.
You might not agree with my behavior. Fine, I wasn't born to impress you. But you may do things that I don't agree with either. But I choose to let you live your life as you see fit. I expect you to return the favor.
I like that bottom line.
To me, bottom line is that the anti-vaper considers vaping to be rude. Period. They take on the vape nowhere position.
I don't think they have the guts to post in this thread, even while I believe they are reading it. (Hi anti-vaper!)
I believe the pro-vapers ought to be staking claim in the vape everywhere position, with desire to be respectful and act/discuss vaping reasonably. As ANTZ have shown to be entirely unreasonable when it comes to usage bans on smoking, thinking that fight still has a ways to go (THS, anyone?), then I think it behooves the vaping community to realize middle ground with ANTZ/anti-vaper cannot start with position of some places are inherently bad for vaping and other places are okay, for now. IMO, that will lead to all places are inherently bad sooner than later. Again, from the other side, regardless of where you vape, you are engaging in rude behavior, and are being disrespectful. This is not open to discussion.
If you, a vaper, are able to vape everywhere, with respect, then vast majority of non-vapers will respect vapers. I believe we are already seeing this, and has been demonstrated in this thread, and in many threads just like it. Vapers vaping in public indoor places, or having their gear on them, and being invited to demonstrate it, talk more about it, inform the non-vapers about what is that thing really? Non vaper heard about it but hasn't seen it, and kinda cool that you have it and know so much about it. Cool that you use it so openly and respectfully. More of that please.
Speaking from reason, I cannot think of a place anywhere, where people can congregate, that is inherently bad for vaping. IMO, what makes this so easy to rationalize is that in all of these places, it is quite possible that you could be there and no one else is, therefore that would be one instance where it isn't disrespectful to vape in that location (i.e. church, hospital, movie theater, so on and so forth). I can think of situations in most places where I may not vape, even if other vapers were there vaping. For me, that is huge crowds, and I see that as a personal thing, not something that is inherent to the place. I have vaped in very crowded places before, and may do so again. But I cannot think of a place, including my own house or say a vaping convention, where it would be okay to go up to another person in the room, and blow vapor in their face, just to see how they might react. That wouldn't even be okay outdoors. Perhaps if they explicitly ask for it, then maybe. Just maybe. But it is possible to be in crowded space, indoors, with poor ventilation, and to openly vape and not be inherently disrespectful.
For the anti-vaper, that will never ever be anything but disrespectful. Perhaps even criminal.
For the pro-vaper, the truly pro-vaper, they can picture how that could be done, and not be downright offensive, regardless of the location.
Sure there are gray areas on this, but if you are willing to see gray areas in vape everywhere, there's hope for you yet. If you see some places as inherently bad for vaping, and that render the vaper as disrespectful human who is violating common courtesy, and you are willing to spout off about that on a vaping forum (no less), then welcome to the less than reasonable side of the discussion. As a pro vaper who advocates, often, for vaping everywhere, I make no apologies in being relentless in my pursuit to expose your fallacious reasoning and how this message is exactly what is aiding and abetting the anti-vapers position. The position that relies on guilt, fear and deception to win the day.
