Why would anyone vape max PG?

[ilporcupine]

Lack of the enzyme is not the issue, That is a cause for glycerol levels to be high. So might be vaping glycerol.
Did I mention in my post anything about 3-5 ml consumption? My consumption was far higher when I had that test, assuredly. I don't think I have ever done 30 in a day, but I do low nicotine, so use more VG/PG than average, probably. Yes, I was hammering the vape pretty good, as the doctor visits are not for routine checkup, and I was apprehensive at the time about outcomes. I have used several 2ml tanks since I posted this, so it varies. I have more tests in the AM, so I am laying here wide awake instead of sleeping!
The links provided were to show that indeed elevated glycerol levels DO cause false high TG readings, and since the LDL is computed from the TG level, that is wrong, as well. Which is what seems(as I originally qualified) to have happened to me. There is no reason to jump in with an opinion, as I only presented what happened to me, in a factual manner, and with supporting documentation to explain.

Thinking on this further, there is of course the possibility that I DO lack the ability to properly metabolize glycerol! It is readily absorbed, and if not broken down quickly, it would likely build up over time, as to mimic a large dose. No way for me to find out, unfortunately, as would require much testing at my expense. Still, if I can raise/lower TG test levels at will by vaping VG or PG selectively, I will know where the problem lies, and can skirt the issue by avoidance on testing days. Not that I look forward to an all PG mix,forever, as it is indeed not as satisfying as a thick VG vape.

 

[stols001]

I don't think there's anything wrong with trying max PG or very little VG to see what your next test result will bring. The problem is, since you've been prescribed a statin, your cholesterol is going to be a bit of a moving target. At your next test, you won't really know if it's the VG causing the results, or the length of time you've been on a statin.

The only way around this (that I see) is to actually KEEP vaping VG, and see if your cholesterol drops significantly with more time on a statin.. You'd be confounding your results which is exactly the opposite of what you want, really.

There are also the bile sequestrants (Zyrtec, Welchol) which is what I use for cholesterol. I REFUSE and will REFUSE to my dying day to take a statin I want NOTHING to do with those possible side effects. They got my cholesterol to NORMAL levels all on their own, and frankly my side effects were nil. They are particularly good at reducing triglycerides, and converting "bad" cholesterol to good cholesterol. Some folks have it bad enough that they take BOTH, as a matter of fact.

I agree it is totally possible that VG may be affecting your results although I'm unclear on ALL the mechanisms of action, but you are pretty early into your treatment. It will be hard to tell if the VG is doable or not on your regimen if you remove it after the FIRST test.

Best of luck, whatever you decide and early vapers were pretty much using max PG, so it certainly may be DOABLE, so if you are willing to give up VG right out of the gate, you should still be able to vape and etc.

Best of luck

Anna

 

[ilporcupine]

I don't think there's anything wrong with trying max PG or very little VG to see what your next test result will bring. The problem is, since you've been prescribed a statin, your cholesterol is going to be a bit of a moving target. At your next test, you won't really know if it's the VG causing the results, or the length of time you've been on a statin.

The only way around this (that I see) is to actually KEEP vaping VG, and see if your cholesterol drops significantly with more time on a statin.. You'd be confounding your results which is exactly the opposite of what you want, really.

There are also the bile sequestrants (Zyrtec, Welchol) which is what I use for cholesterol. I REFUSE and will REFUSE to my dying day to take a statin I want NOTHING to do with those possible side effects. They got my cholesterol to NORMAL levels all on their own, and frankly my side effects were nil. They are particularly good at reducing triglycerides, and converting "bad" cholesterol to good cholesterol. Some folks have it bad enough that they take BOTH, as a matter of fact.

I agree it is totally possible that VG may be affecting your results although I'm unclear on ALL the mechanisms of action, but you are pretty early into your treatment. It will be hard to tell if the VG is doable or not on your regimen if you remove it after the FIRST test.

Best of luck, whatever you decide and early vapers were pretty much using max PG, so it certainly may be DOABLE, so if you are willing to give up VG right out of the gate, you should still be able to vape and etc.

Best of luck

Anna

Really can't decide anything without hard numbers. I need to get the printouts. Depending on what the numbers are, I may want to tell him I want off the statin. The real problem is his not following protocol. Suggested treatment calls for at least 2 tests before prescribing for SC/TG. I may be his first, as he is a neurologist, not a GP or heart guy! I can take it up with my PCP. It's a cluster&*$#. You are correct about moving target and indeterminate results, of course. The problem I see is being on the statin if it is not warranted. Bile acid sequesterants are contraindicated with very elevated triglycerides.
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[denali_41]

In the beginning,everything was 100% PG.then around 2010-2011 some bloke in europe figured out we could vape VG

 

[Beamslider]

I have had blood test regularly, every 6 months for years. My cholesterol level has been consistently at the borderline level. By borderline, I mean the Doctor says needs to be lowered but not quite high enough for medication yet so work on diet, exercise, etc and let's monitor again in 6 months.

I started vaping 2+ years ago. I use 80vg/20pg juice. There has been no impact on cholesterol levels from it.

 

[stols001]

Well I checked, and you are correct. However, since I refused them, my doc prescribed them, and everything improved.

There is also red rice yeast which does actually work if used correctly (per my doctor). Maybe not for everyone, but I don't blame you for not wanting to be on statins one bit.

Maybe you need a different specialist, or a different doc? My doc mentioned bile sequestrants right away when I said I would NEVER take a statin. My triglycerides were on the high side, but they went down. Perhaps there is some unknown risk and whatever, whatever, or perhaps mine were elevated but not BADLY. My doc put me on them not because I was in the red zone or anything, but due to slight elevation and my AGE and the fact that I was smoking at the time. My numbers have never been AWFUL but I have about 20 family members who just dropped dead of a heat attack, either unexpectedly DEAD, or multiple, over time, fatal heart attacks. .My mom even felt my numbers were "fine" and wanted to come to an appointment.

She was like, "That's not TERRIBLE is it?"
My doc stated, "Um, at your daughter's age and with her smoking history, yes, they ARE terrible." LOL.

IDK, I have heard of late that cholesterol numbers are not necessarily as predictive of anything as doctors believed. It's kind of a weird, shifty area of treatment.

I am still NEVER going to take a statin. I'll take a shorter life not filled with muscle wasting, neurological impact and etc. So, if you are unhappy with your treatment, perhaps consider going elsewhere?

Anna

 

[Beamslider]

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[ilporcupine]

Well I checked, and you are correct. However, since I refused them, my doc prescribed them, and everything improved.

There is also red rice yeast which does actually work if used correctly (per my doctor). Maybe not for everyone, but I don't blame you for not wanting to be on statins one bit.

Maybe you need a different specialist, or a different doc? My doc mentioned bile sequestrants right away when I said I would NEVER take a statin. My triglycerides were on the high side, but they went down. Perhaps there is some unknown risk and whatever, whatever, or perhaps mine were elevated but not BADLY. My doc put me on them not because I was in the red zone or anything, but due to slight elevation and my AGE and the fact that I was smoking at the time. My numbers have never been AWFUL but I have about 20 family members who just dropped dead of a heat attack, either unexpectedly DEAD, or multiple, over time, fatal heart attacks. .My mom even felt my numbers were "fine" and wanted to come to an appointment.

She was like, "That's not TERRIBLE is it?"
My doc stated, "Um, at your daughter's age and with her smoking history, yes, they ARE terrible." LOL.

IDK, I have heard of late that cholesterol numbers are not necessarily as predictive of anything as doctors believed. It's kind of a weird, shifty area of treatment.

I am still NEVER going to take a statin. I'll take a shorter life not filled with muscle wasting, neurological impact and etc. So, if you are unhappy with your treatment, perhaps consider going elsewhere?

Anna

I have a VERY restricted network, due to the way I am insured. Ah well, it's early days yet. I'll pester them like a cat with a mouse, until I get satisfaction.

 

[ilporcupine]

I'm gonna drop this for a bit, until I have more information. Right now I have been up for 30 hours or so, and I am too tired to think clearly.Just back from another CT scan. Fun never ends.

 

[ilporcupine]

In the beginning,everything was 100% PG.then around 2010-2011 some bloke in europe figured out we could vape VG

I actually tried one of the early ones, and didn't think I could make it work. Took major painful life events to put me back on the trail. The VG adds to the 'smoke illusion', for sure.

 

[Myk]

So what exactly is YOUR agenda, here?

To keep people from going into a panic about vaping because of one person's experience based on guesses (it very well could be the drug that lowered it) and think that vaping VG causes high triglycerides.
Just like my experience of getting diagnosed with Crohn's when I quit smoking (or even the more commonly helped with smoking Ulcerative Colitis) isn't going to apply to many.

Lack of the enzyme is not the issue, That is a cause for glycerol levels to be high. So might be vaping glycerol.
Did I mention in my post anything about 3-5 ml consumption? My consumption was far higher when I had that test, assuredly. I don't think I have ever done 30 in a day, but I do low nicotine, so use more VG/PG than average, probably. Yes, I was hammering the vape pretty good, as the doctor visits are not for routine checkup, and I was apprehensive at the time about outcomes. I have used several 2ml tanks since I posted this, so it varies. I have more tests in the AM, so I am laying here wide awake instead of sleeping!
The links provided were to show that indeed elevated glycerol levels DO cause false high TG readings, and since the LDL is computed from the TG level, that is wrong, as well. Which is what seems(as I originally qualified) to have happened to me. There is no reason to jump in with an opinion, as I only presented what happened to me, in a factual manner, and with supporting documentation to explain.

You really didn't mention your intake of liquid. That's what I'm trying to figure out. Do you really ingest enough to make a difference?
Of course if you did lack the enzyme to break down glycerin then I would suspect any amount would build up.

The problem with the Mayo/Promethius/special testing is some people's insurance. So far mine hasn't complained but I know many who get handed a $1000 bill for a test to see if they're getting antibodies to their drug which is very important to disease treatment.
If this glycerin thing was a widespread vaper issue and we all had to get cholesterol tests that ruled out VG that could be an excuse to raise our rates. Even under the present law they allow smokers to be charged more.

It is, of course, as much a "thing" as MaxVG, being an obvious contraction of maximum VG level. Same would of course apply to the reverse case. Again, the QUESTION was in reference to why I was vaping as close to pure PG(what would you call it?) as possible, and the ANSWER was because of the possible effect of VG. Also, it got you engaged in a discussion, no? I had mentioned in a previous thread that I would post about my (PG maximized mixture?) usage. I have done this with a related question in the title. Make sense to you now? Most people reading this forum know why they would want to increase the VG in their mix, the question was why would someone do the opposite of what is conventional. See?
I suspect that if I told someone on this forum that I was deliberately maximizing PG in my vape juice, they would ask exactly what my question posed; Why would anybody do that? That was the question I set out to answer. I also tossed in a warning for anyone getting strange results on a lipids test to check further/discuss with DR. etc.
Again, the test is suspect, here, not the use of VG in vaping!!!

MaxVG is a name in common usage, MaxPG is not. That is where my confusion came from.
As someone who needs to vape no more than 10% PG I wouldn't ask why someone needed to vape 100% PG. We all do what works for us.

This is indeed a curious instance of a VG problem if that is what the problem/solution is.

Thinking on this further, there is of course the possibility that I DO lack the ability to properly metabolize glycerol! It is readily absorbed, and if not broken down quickly, it would likely build up over time, as to mimic a large dose. No way for me to find out, unfortunately, as would require much testing at my expense. Still, if I can raise/lower TG test levels at will by vaping VG or PG selectively, I will know where the problem lies, and can skirt the issue by avoidance on testing days. Not that I look forward to an all PG mix,forever, as it is indeed not as satisfying as a thick VG vape.

That would be the easiest explanation since you aren't a high volume vaper and it's not an across the board side effect for all vapers.

Here are my levels. At allegedly 100% PG free vaping for 6 months about 3ml a day 48mg/dl.
At DIY 80%VG 10% flavor 10% water 3-5ml a day vaping for 3 1/2 years 71mg/dl.
And I'm sure I vaped right up to the Dr's door. It's been 2 1/2 years since my last lipid test. It could be high now, my BP is, but because of previous tests and VG use I wouldn't blame VG for me.

 

[denali_41]

[QUOTE="ilporcupine, post: 20898511, member: 326291" The VG adds to the 'smoke illusion', for sure.[/QUOTE]

Once i finally convinced myself that little vapor coming from 100%pg was "smoke" i was able to make a 100% switch to vaping,that was the hardest part for me

 

[Myk]

Once i finally convinced myself that little vapor coming from 100%pg was "smoke" i was able to make a 100% switch to vaping,that was the hardest part for me

When I was 0mg <6 months from quitting (waiting to be diagnosed, stay off nicotine just in case) I had a very strange sense of calm come over me seeing the "smoke".
Now with modern equipment when I go 0mg I want clouds.

 

[ilporcupine]

To keep people from going into a panic about vaping because of one person's experience based on guesses (it very well could be the drug that lowered it) and think that vaping VG causes high triglycerides.
Just like my experience of getting diagnosed with Crohn's when I quit smoking (or even the more commonly helped with smoking Ulcerative Colitis) isn't going to apply to many.

Then you need a reread, rethink program. Why would anyone panic? Because they might have to vape PG for a day before a test? Because they would have to tell their Doc that they vape? Besides, I did not state anything as a fact that was speculation. It was clear to others, if not you. It aint about your VG, it's about the test, and I clearly said in original, and more emphatically in later posts, that it could have been the Lipitor, or not. Clearly was intended as an FYI, not as the last word. Nowhere is it stated OR implied that VG raises Triglycerides. It is possible that it caused a false reading in the test, which is what I said. The test is known to give false readings with glycerol(glycerin) in the bloodstream. This is a fact. Glycerol is easily absorbed into the body. Fact. How much is absorbed per ml vaped has not been studied, or not been available for perusal by mere mortals, but is surely a non-zero number.
There is no need of knee-jerk "defenses of vaping" here, no one has attacked VG or vaping, and I have been vaping all along! I simply stated what happened to me, and suggested that anyone suddenly getting an elevated TG reading, may want to question the result.

 

[ilporcupine]

MaxVG is a name in common usage, MaxPG is not. That is where my confusion came from.
As someone who needs to vape no more than 10% PG I wouldn't ask why someone needed to vape 100% PG. We all do what works for us.

Well, I think your confusion comes from your confusion, but that's an opinion, not a fact.

 

[ilporcupine]

@classwife
Would you please remove this thread for me, thank you. I have the numbers for my tests, and they are not concusively supporting my thesis, here, so best to let it go.

 

[classwife]

@classwife
Would you please remove this thread for me, thank you. I have the numbers for my tests, and they are not concusively supporting my thesis, here, so best to let it go.

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