Wick materials. Safe vs dangerous.

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Cyrus Vap

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I've just recently bought a rebuildable and I'm still back at around page 80 reading.I found this in another forum and the claim is that since the fibers are larger it's not a health concern. Does the size of the silica fibers influence the danger? Thoughts?

Silica Wick 3 mm - temperature resistance > 1000°C


According to the accepted medical theory on pathogenesis of silicosis, yes, size is one factor. But how do we know the size of the fragments that our silica wicks are releasing?

I believe I posted this earlier in the thread, but I'll drop it again. This is from a book that is somewhat of a 'bible' or at least one of them, in medical education, training, practice etc.

Pathogenesis.

The development of a pneumoconiosis depends on (1) the amount of dust retained in the lung and airways; (2) the size, shape, and therefore buoyancy of the particles; (3) particle solubility and physiochemical reactivity; and (4) the possible additional effects of other irritants (e.g., concomitant tobacco smoking).

The amount of dust retained in the lungs is determined by the dust concentration in ambient air, the duration of exposure, and the effectiveness of clearance mechanisms. Any influence, such as cigarette smoking, that affects the integrity of the mucociliary apparatus significantly predisposes to the accumulation of dust. The most dangerous particles range from 1 to 5 μm in diameter because they may reach the terminal small airways and air sacs and settle in their linings. Under normal conditions there is a small pool of intra-alveolar macrophages, and this is expanded by recruitment of more macrophages when dust reaches the alveolar spaces. The protection provided by phagocytosis of particles, however, can be overwhelmed by a large dust burden by specific chemical interactions of the particles with cells.

The solubility and cytotoxicity of particles, which are influenced to a considerable extent by their size, modify the nature of the pulmonary response. In general, the smaller the particle, the more likely it is to appear in the pulmonary fluids and reach toxic levels rapidly, depending, of course, on the solubility of the agent. Therefore, smaller particles tend to cause acute lung injury. Larger particles resist dissolution and so may persist within the lung parenchyma for years. These tend to evoke fibrosing collagenous pneumoconioses, such as is characteristic of silicosis. Some of the particles may be taken up by epithelial cells or may cross the epithelial cell lining and interact directly with fibroblasts and interstitial macrophages. Some may reach the lymphatics by direct drainage or within migrating macrophages and thereby initiate an immune response to components of the particulates or to self-proteins modified by the particles or both. This response amplifies the intensity and the duration of the local reaction. Although tobacco smoking worsens the effects of all inhaled mineral dusts, the effects of asbestos are particularly magnified by smoking. The effects of inhaled particles are not confined to the lung alone, since solutes from particles can enter the blood and lung inflammation invokes systemic responses.

Kumar V, Abbas A, Fausto N, Astor J. Kumar:Robbins and Cotran Pathologic Basis of Disease, Professional Edition. 8th Edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2010.
 
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Hi
I was reading the cotton wick thread on ECF and thought I would try something.

I cut a pad of medical gauze and a piece of SS mesh about Line size. I put the mesh after a Jack Frost burn onto the gauze and folded the mesh with the gauze on one side and from the other side I rolled it like a jam roll cake so that there were layers of mesh and gauze with the gauze on the outside when completed. I rolled until it fit the hole in the Line and coiled it.

It works well and is good at wicking with no shorts.

The vapour seems smoother than straight SS but really don't bother unless you like to play as I prefer the pure Genisis personally.

2 hours have passed since.......

The flavour is great, different but really good and it wicks well. On my second tank already. I am gonna keep at this just for the difference, it is rather nice.

3 hours in................

Really good, maybe on to something.

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Thanks Ratpack7. I have long wicks, 3.8v on 2.2 ohm coil. For the most part there isn't dry hits, and its very random when it does it. I try to keep the tank 1/2 full. I didn't get dry hits on the stock silica wick until 2 days in or so. The cotton wick is acting similar. I'm using 50/50 mix juice.

I just got home from work and while at work I was getting some dry hits :confused: then I found out that I had the tank screwed together to tight. opened it up pulled off the little condom put it back on and lightly screwed the tank back together now its working no dry hits :) another modder suggests notching the cap so it doesn't pinch the wick. looks like it's time to make some small notches in the condom where it meets the wick.
 

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Quigs, how do you find the taste of cotton wrapped/stuffed mesh vs. mesh? My Z Atty Pro tastes so clean and pure to me I'm terrified of spoiling it lol.

I hear ya Cyrus...if is isn't broken, don't fix it...Cotton wrapped mesh is essentially cotton, the mesh is only a rigid wicking medium...for me, I'm not a fan boy of any one method/wick medium, I go with what tastes the best ...I recently got some TPA Pomegranate...I put it in one of my Lines running mesh (it was handy, and empty)...ga! it tasted good going in but like battery acid going out, I just couldn't vape it...so I poured it into my V3 on rolled cotton, oh ya, that's better, warm, full and fruity. I've had the opposite happen with a Lorann Blackberry...tastes kinda meh on cotton, tastes awesome on mesh...imo subtle, low acid flavours are best with mesh, cotton works best with a more "in your face" or acidy type of flavour...so happy about this cotton thing, my fav go to juice is TPA's Juicy Peach (but it tastes like crap on mesh;))

I should mention, I vape almost exclusively fruits, I don't like most tobaccos (but don't mind a good RY4 now and then) and I really don't like the deserts,...Boston Cream Pie? really? :p
 
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Quigs - Hmm...wonder if tobaccos are better with mesh. Thoughts anyone..?

I think so, they taste "muddy" to me on cotton, in fact I tend to yape them on io6's...I just find that one you put an RY4 into something that's it, you never really get rid of that taste...could be just me though
 

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I just got home from work and while at work I was getting some dry hits :confused: then I found out that I had the tank screwed together to tight. opened it up pulled off the little condom put it back on and lightly screwed the tank back together now its working no dry hits :) another modder suggests notching the cap so it doesn't pinch the wick. looks like it's time to make some small notches in the condom where it meets the wick.

You know, I think I found that out yesterday too! My first set up was 2 full yarn pieces, made another with just 1, then took the just one and separated the 4 smaller strands that make a standard yarn. I used 3 of the smaller strands. It kept getting better and better with fewer dry hits as I progressed. I think what I was doing was in effect like cutting the silicone cap, because it just really made the notches a lot less pinched off with so much wick.
In fact, I think the reason it was happening is as the wick was great at first, they were swelling up with time and basically closing the notches up more and more and that's when I began getting dry hits. Now it seems work great!
 

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You know, I think I found that out yesterday too! My first set up was 2 full yarn pieces, made another with just 1, then took the just one and separated the 4 smaller strands that make a standard yarn. I used 3 of the smaller strands. It kept getting better and better with fewer dry hits as I progressed. I think what I was doing was in effect like cutting the silicone cap, because it just really made the notches a lot less pinched off with so much wick.
In fact, I think the reason it was happening is as the wick was great at first, they were swelling up with time and basically closing the notches up more and more and that's when I began getting dry hits. Now it seems work great!

I have only been using 1 yarn piece (4 strands )... That would explain why you had more dry hit's with the thicker juice.
 

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So just like Perlions posted a couple pages back I've also been playing with cotton wrapped mesh wicks in my Line...first, I wanted to make sure is wasn't some "one off" that wouldn't last and run you guys down a rabbit hole but this seems to work really good...btw, this is only really for the genny guys and this is how I do it...

SS Mesh/Cotton hybrid wick - YouTube

I did this with my GTUS only I used cotton batten. Just spin the wick and the cotton sticks right to it. It looks like a q-tip. I think this is the best my GTUS has ever hit.
 

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I did this with my GTUS only I used cotton batten. Just spin the wick and the cotton sticks right to it. It looks like a q-tip. I think this is the best my GTUS has ever hit.

LOL...now that's a great idea...not bad, it only took about 17 hrs for someone to make me look like a stooge :laugh:
 

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Just made a 1.5 ohm coil with the square cotton wick. Used 2 pieces doubled up. Installed in my ODY and I'm really happy. Took about 5 minutes to break in and now great flavor and great vape.
What dimensions is that wick? I'm actually looking toward the square ones too.. Thanks for sharing - I'll def try this as soon as I'll figure out the sizes
 

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I did this with my GTUS only I used cotton batten. Just spin the wick and the cotton sticks right to it. It looks like a q-tip. I think this is the best my GTUS has ever hit.

Ok, just tried that...pure genius...another classic example of me over thinking something...excuse me while I pull a vid off you tube...:facepalm:

edit, now that I think about it, I'm going to vid that and up it (you'll get full credit)...that's just too good not to spread around...
 
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What dimensions is that wick? I'm actually looking toward the square ones too.. Thanks for sharing - I'll def try this as soon as I'll figure out the sizes

It's 2 mm. So doubled up its about 4.
Been vaping it for an hour and it's really good. Wicked cheap as well. I did boil it for a half hour. I think this is my new set up.
 

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Ok, just tried that...pure genius...another classic example of me over thinking something...excuse me while I pull a vid off you tube...:facepalm:

edit, now that I think about it, I'm going to vid that and up it (you'll get full credit)...that's just too good not to spread around...

I did it with a super thin layer of cotton wrapped around several times until I could no longer see the ss wick through it.
 

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Here you go quigs...

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