Wick materials. Safe vs dangerous.

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Penelope with cheese cloth more than stands up to my ZAP and DID with SS mesh, that's saying quite a bit!

How are you getting that to work? I tried a cheese cloth wick in a Penelope and it looked sloppy as all get out and gummed up in hours. It was okay for a while but, not a long while. So, what's the trick?
 
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I haven't made my way through this whole monster thread yet, but I was just talking with my wife about the whole cotton wick issue, and while she normally glazes over during my "vape talk", she perked up...

I don't know why it didn't cross my mind, but she knits and spins her own yarn for her projects. In roughly 5 minutes she had sourced raw, organic, cotton fiber that was grown without pesticides, has never been treated with chemicals, bleach, or anything else. It's just been planted, picked, and carded (brushed to align the fibers for spinning). It comes in a bag the size of a pillow case, and should yield around 425 yards at the size of the wick I showed her. She seems pretty interesting in spinning some for me to try as a wick, and what is cool is that I can customize it by making it thicker, thinner, looser, more tightly wound, more braids or less, etc. But the best part is, I'll know exactly what has been done to it. She has also sourced both hemp and bamboo as well, though she tells me those will be more difficult to work with since they have to be spun wet. Still, would you go cotton, hemp, bamboo, or something else entirely? What do you think? Worth a shot? Or would it just make more sense to try to source some premade?

Go for it. I have been using some raw pesticide free cotton picked off some cotton plants and it works great.
 

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Go for it. I have been using some raw pesticide free cotton picked off some cotton plants and it works great.

Wonder where you could get that? some organic, free trade, hippy shop maybe...no shortage of those in Vancouver...unfortunately Canada isn't really known for our cotton fields...and I don't think you can use a wheat stalk as a wick :D
 

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Wonder where you could get that? some organic, free trade, hippy shop maybe...no shortage of those in Vancouver...unfortunately Canada isn't really known for our cotton fields...and I don't think you can use a wheat stalk as a wick :D

I wouldn't bet on that Q. Not sure if there's a wheat yarn, but I did see corn stalk and banana - google Eco fibers.

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http://www.yarnmarket.com/knitting/Eco-Friendly_Fibers-670.html

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Wonder where you could get that? some organic, free trade, hippy shop maybe...no shortage of those in Vancouver...unfortunately Canada isn't really known for our cotton fields...and I don't think you can use a wheat stalk as a wick :D

Corn silk perhaps..?

Ooops...redundant.
 

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Has anyone tried not using wick at all? I know it sounds weird but I've pondered the idea of having the kanthal slightly submerged in a tank of some kind. This may be very hard to execute but I think it would work. The only problem is keeping the coil just on top of the liquid as it runs out. I guess I was just really wondering if it would produce as much vapor with the coils submerged in liquid or would it just boil over?


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Has anyone tried not using wick at all? I know it sounds weird but I've pondered the idea of having the kanthal slightly submerged in a tank of some kind. This may be very hard to execute but I think it would work. The only problem is keeping the coil just on top of the liquid as it runs out. I guess I was just really wondering if it would produce as much vapor with the coils submerged in liquid or would it just boil over?

Perhaps something to 'float' a coil..? ...round toothpick..? Hmm...dunno.
 

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Has anyone tried not using wick at all? I know it sounds weird but I've pondered the idea of having the kanthal slightly submerged in a tank of some kind. This may be very hard to execute but I think it would work. The only problem is keeping the coil just on top of the liquid as it runs out. I guess I was just really wondering if it would produce as much vapor with the coils submerged in liquid or would it just boil over?


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I doubt that could be made to work well. Remember you don't get a lot of vapor if the wick is too wet. So, I would think even partially submerged would be a problem. Perhaps if you came up with a practical way to spray the coil, that might work.
 

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    I was going to buy a bunch of materials...candle wick, kanthal, silicone micro bore tubing, 99% silver wire, etc... Glad I didn't!

    Last night I tore open an old ce3 that was no longer wicking well. I was able to reuse the nichrome. I didn't think that was possible. I rewired it using some small gauge wire I had lying around. That was easier than expected. I re-wrapped a coil over a toothpick and pulled my wick though after the coil was formed. I made the wick from a cotton ball. I primed with juice and reassembled. It works great and doesn't leak! :D It only took 15 minutes and I didn't know what the hell I was doing.

    Performance is amazing. It never runs dry even on long draws. Taste is far superior to the stock ce3. I'm sold! It's cotton balls for me from now on.

    These ce3's are ideal for rebuilding. You couldn't ask for a more rebuild-friendly design. I've seen other people refer to "ce3's" and the picture did not match what I have. This is what I'm talking about: CE3 - 5 Pack After modding with cotton the ce3 is my ideal atty.

    Many thanks to urquidezj for his ce3 rebuild post! http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/atomizer-mods/294873-ce3xl-phoenix-tank-rebuild-how.html
     

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    I was going to buy a bunch of materials...candle wick, kanthal, silicone micro bore tubing, 99% silver wire, etc... Glad I didn't!

    Last night I tore open an old ce3 that was no longer wicking well. I was able to reuse the nichrome. I didn't think that was possible. I rewired it using some small gauge wire I had lying around. That was easier than expected. I re-wrapped a coil over a toothpick and pulled my wick though after the coil was formed. I made the wick from a cotton ball. I primed with juice and reassembled. It works great and doesn't leak! :D It only took 15 minutes and I didn't know what the hell I was doing.

    Performance is amazing. It never runs dry even on long draws. Taste is far superior to the stock ce3. I'm sold! It's cotton balls for me from now on.

    These ce3's are ideal for rebuilding. You couldn't ask for a more rebuild-friendly design. I've seen other people refer to "ce3's" and the picture did not match what I have. This is what I'm talking about: CE3 - 5 Pack After modding with cotton the ce3 is my ideal atty.

    Many thanks to urquidezj for his ce3 rebuild post! http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/atomizer-mods/294873-ce3xl-phoenix-tank-rebuild-how.html

    Be careful with any wires that might come into contact with juice. Don't use copper wire in these cases.
     

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    Be careful with any wires that might come into contact with juice. Don't use copper wire in these cases.

    Yep. The wire I used wasn't copper.

    fotsirk it's good to hear of your success. I agree cotton balls work well if you can get em to cooperate. If you like the ce2s I would give the vivi nova a shot. I'm loving mine and it's super easy to rebuild.

    Dunno if it was a mistype or not but I'm using ce3's which are a completely different design from the ce2. The ce3 is a bottom coil design whereas the ce2 is a top coil design. I haven't tried the vivi nova exactly but I have tried some of the others that take the same (or virtually the same) replacement "head." The ce3 blows away all of the top coil designs IMHO and I used to be a diehard ce2 user. It's even better with cotton.

    As a happy coincidence, ce3's are only $2 a piece.
     

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    Has anyone tried not using wick at all? I know it sounds weird but I've pondered the idea of having the kanthal slightly submerged in a tank of some kind. This may be very hard to execute but I think it would work. The only problem is keeping the coil just on top of the liquid as it runs out. I guess I was just really wondering if it would produce as much vapor with the coils submerged in liquid or would it just boil over?

    I seem to recall reading somewhere the possibility of using an induction coil to excite a mesh wick...would only really work in a desk top device due to the power required but interesting concept...
     

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    Thought I had posted this over here also; but actually didn't. Was playing with my Phoenix at work on Friday:


    :thumbs:

    I've never been much of a dripper. I got the Phoenix to have a rebuildable on-hand and should be excellent to test juices.

    Here's why an inexperienced dripper needs to be careful when vaping on a cotton wick; from one vape (just the same as all the others) to the next (slight off taste) and then checked it out:
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    Cotton wicks so well that there was no real noticeable drop-off of vapor or flavor.

    :lol:
     
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