Wizard Labs is still down!! Any other suggestions?

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Bosco

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FYI, any unflavored nic base colors with time. If nicotine has taste or smell, how is one better than the other???

Not sure if you meant to say "If nicotine has *no* taste or smell . . ." . . but anyway - I don't know how but some nic bases are definitely better than others. I have been buying small bottles from a variety of vendors to compare the difference and there is quite a big difference between some of them. Mainly it is taste and throat hit . .some nics are nearly flavorless and some are quite peppery with much stonger throat hit. All of the nics I have bought are more than 99% pure so whatever is in that remaining <1% must be some powerfull stuff. My suspicion is that what remains are tobacco compounds . .and my other suspicion is that some of these nics are not really as pure as they claim. I believe the lab tests but I don't believe every batch is tested.

Out of the nics I've tried only WL and Xtreme vaping are really close to flavorless. So far I find them about equal - but WL costs far less. RTS is good nic. More pepper and throat hit than WL regular (I have some ICE but haven't mixed it yet) but I still like this nic. I have around 100ml and will probably use it mostly for my mint vapes where I want some extra throat hit . .but my fruit and bakery recipes still taste pretty good with RTS nic. I would recommend it as a substitute for WL over any others I've tried . .mainly because of price because, in my opinion, XTreme vaping nic is more flavorless than RTS . . but I don't feel it's worth the extra $$.
 

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How long did it take to get the RTS order? Did they ship right away? Thinking of going that route...

My regular nic supplier who sells WL nic has been out.
So i ordered a bunch from RTS about 11pm on Thursday night and it was in the mail the next day. I like a seller who ships the next day.

So if the nic is good..i may switch to them. it's a few dollors more than was i was paying for the WL nic.. but the shipping is quicker.
 

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Yes - joking . .mostly . . that 1 vendor is also out (or at least website down - got an email about having a huge increase in orders so need to move to fill them . .which kind of makes no sense).

RTS has not run out of nic to date. Just posted that he is close to out now but next batch of pure nic will be there on March 4. He shut down his site for about a day in order to catch up on the orders that he got bombarded with because folks were compalining of delayed shipping.

Regardless of what anyone thinks, RTS nic is very clean and pure. Kurt even posted that RTS is the purest that he has tested so far :)
 

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Lots of good nic out there, just buy SMALL until you're sure it's Great
What great advice, that needs to be listened too. Nobody is going to save money by buying large and find out they don't like what they bought. Its seems there are small differences in even PG and VG that are noticable to some and even I can say the TH is stronger on the RTS nic, than WL reg. None of that bothers me, but it may you.
 

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RTS has not run out of nic to date. Just posted that he is close to out now but next batch of pure nic will be there on March 4. He shut down his site for about a day in order to catch up on the orders that he got bombarded with because folks were compalining of delayed shipping.

Regardless of what anyone thinks, RTS nic is very clean and pure. Kurt even posted that RTS is the purest that he has tested so far :)

Hiya salemgold!

Whoops! I had said they "out again" but I should have said they were "closed again"; Either way, I only meant you couldn't get some right at the time. I like that he suspends wholesale orders to keep the retail going - works out well for DIYers anyway :p

Have you tried the nic since they changed their processing? I guess there's an additional step/purification that happens now and I was wondering if the flavor profile changed at all, or just got lighter. I did like the RTS I had (heck, I learned about it from my then-favorite juice vendor and I sure liked his eliquid), but the smell/taste was uncharacteristic to me. I haven't heard much at all in terms of taste comparisons since the change over which was about a month I go I think? Just seems odd that I haven't bumped into anyone commenting on that, though I haven't strayed much from my subscriptions lately.

ETA:

PS, Kurt likes lots of nics for various things:

About a week into using WL Ice for flavored vapes, and I am amazed. I can go to less than 5% flavoring with some flavors I was using at 12% or more, and there is no more taste competition from the nic. To me, anything that allows me to use much less flavor and still be enjoyable is a very good thing. I have what I would consider a healthy mistrust of flavors in general, from a purely what-are-the-inhalation-effects standpoint. But I just got RY4 Type 1 from WL, and that at 5% with about .5% tobacco absolute blend is just delightful. I know RY4 is supposed to be caramel-vanilla-like, but this is more like Chinese melons. Very light and pleasurable.

But I'm with Cyrus: Ice would get boring for me unflavored. I need that bite. regular WL fills that bill nicely, as does RTS or ECX, and especially Box Elder. But to have a white canvas to really explore recipes is a very good thing.
 
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Still waiting on my order... made it on 2/11...
I might have to call them to find out how back logged they are.

So RTS is a good buy right now until WL is back?

If you want slightly more TH, then you may want RTS nic.
As far as price, its Made in the USA, so its more. BUT, if you are a first time buyer or you wait for the sales it can be just as cheap as Wizard. And if your buying 100mg/ml in 1000ml and take the 20% first time discount, its $111.97 at RTSVAPES.
 

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Still waiting on my order... made it on 2/11...
I might have to call them to find out how back logged they are.

So RTS is a good buy right now until WL is back?

I placed an order on Feb. 9, they gave me a call on Feb. 20, assuring me that they have not forgotten my order and that I can expect it to arrive by the end of the following week. It arrived yesterday, Feb. 23. So I guess you can expect your package in a few days.
 

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Still waiting on my order... made it on 2/11...
I might have to call them to find out how back logged they are.

So RTS is a good buy right now until WL is back?

Many swear by their nic. I didn't think it was bad, just different - while I don't shop there now, I did like the nic overall. I also don't know what their latest nic is like but presumably it's somehow "better" than it was (I read they added an additional step to their refinement process). Their prices are obviously very good as well.

While they apparently have never run out of nic, they just might this time with the crazy buying spree and the fact that what they have listed on the site now is the remainder of their stock until Mar 4.
 

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Still waiting on my order... made it on 2/11...
I might have to call them to find out how back logged they are.

I suspect your order will ship early next week -- before Wednesday. My order was on 2/10, and will be arriving tomorrow; it was shipped out on Friday morning. They're getting there -- just give em some time... moving a complete production facility can't be fun work :)
 

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I went to the OneStopDIY Shop for some TFA flavors. I think the prices seemed good. First time using them so we shall see how this goes.

Good Prophets still has the sale going on TFA flavors in small and larger sizes but its ending soon. HALFOFF gets you just that fifty percent off---great deal if they have flavors left you need.
 

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Many swear by their nic. I didn't think it was bad, just different - while I don't shop there now, I did like the nic overall. I also don't know what their latest nic is like but presumably it's somehow "better" than it was (I read they added an additional step to their refinement process). Their prices are obviously very good as well.

While they apparently have never run out of nic, they just might this time with the crazy buying spree and the fact that what they have listed on the site now is the remainder of their stock until Mar 4.

Ive been vaping Wizard nic for 4 months after 4 months of RTSVAPES nic and Im starting to miss the TH.
 

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    I placed an order on Feb. 9, they gave me a call on Feb. 20, assuring me that they have not forgotten my order and that I can expect it to arrive by the end of the following week. It arrived yesterday, Feb. 23. So I guess you can expect your package in a few days.

    Wow! That's a Caring supplier!!

    If you like a little "body" with your nic, TH etc, I've been using the Regular WL ( not ICE or PURE) and it's great and doesn't come with a yellow tint or any smell at all and gives a nice Punch to my vape.
     

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    Ive been vaping Wizard nic for 4 months after 4 months of RTSVAPES nic and Im starting to miss the TH.

    I hear you . . the more I use the RTS product, the more I like it. There are certain juices it's really good in - like anything with mint or menthol - but I prefer WL for my smoother and fresh fruit flavors. I have some RY4 flavoring coming in the mail and my first thought was to use the RTS nic for it. I'm vaping a chocolate peppermint recipe that I made with both WL and RTS . .I gotta give the nod to the RTS blend. I also prefer RTS in my coffee/creme de menthe juice as well.

    I think I'm going to actually stock up on both . .about 2/3 WL and 1/3 RTS. The price in RTS is pretty good, too.

    If I were going to buy something because WL is closed . .no doubt I would go with RTS based on the others I've tried so far (MFS, XTR and RTS).
     
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