Wizards lab NIC just about blew my head off

[dannyv45]

I just opened a bottle of wizards lab NIC I bought about 3 months ago. Upon receiving it I put it in the freezer unopened. I cracked it open last night and proceeded to mix. I steeped my usual mix and tasted it. It nearly blew my head off the throat hit was so strong. I looked at the color of the NIC and it's nice and clear so I got out my trusty test kit. 98.5ml nic content. So that is good as it was susposed to be 100ml. So I got a nice clean clearo and sampled my 75/25 24ml NIC base and wow major throat hit and also has a light tobacco after taste. Mixed a new base of 50/50 24ml and same throat hit and tobacco taste. Mixed 18ml NIC slightly less throat hit and still a trace of tobacco taste. What is up with wizard labs. I've herd this was happening to other recent buyers.

 

[sellersj27]

I was just looking at ordering through wizard labs....maybe I shouldn't!! Are they the best supplier for nic/PG/VG that you have found?

 

[michaelsil1]

I like the ecigexpress Unflavored 100mg (PG) Nicotine

 

[dannyv45]

I was just looking at ordering through wizard labs....maybe I shouldn't!! Are they the best supplier for nic/PG/VG that you have found?

Used to be very good and cheap. Now I don't know.

 

[dannyv45]

I like the ecigexpress Unflavored 100mg (PG) Nicotine

It sucks because I have 750ml of this

 

[mrcoolbp]

Maybe you are just not used to the good stuff? Crystal clear is a good thing, no oxidation. You already tested the potency, the "tobacco" note you are getting is probably just all that pure nic flavor? I just mixed up some from my fresh 100mg WL order, I use 12mg in clearos and it's spot on for me (comparing to my Mt Baker base). It was def crystal clear, unlike the Mt. Baker which started off slightly yellow and got worse with oxidation. Just my experience with a fresh order (this month).

 

[boog]

I'm not a fan of keeping nic in the freezer... seems to make it taste weird. (IME)

I use the crappy tasting nic on ant hills in the yard, works good.

 

[michaelsil1]

It sucks because I have 750ml of

Now might be a good time to drop your Nicotine Level

 

[xpackaday]

wizardlabs are they going out of business? They have almost nothen in stock?

 

[SpinDr480]

Just a thought, but maybe more steeping is required after you unfreeze nicotine. I know that the reasons behind steeping is still a mystery to people, but something happens on the molecular level when steeping juice. It seems like you need to either give the molecules time to bond together, or you use techniques to speed up this process buy thinning it with heat, or making the molecules move faster with the UltraSonic Cleaner.

So when you freeze something, it slows the molecules down. It is almost the opposite of what people do to try and speed steep. In any event, I don't know anything scientific about this but it would make sense that the change could slow down the steeping process.

 

[Kemosabe]

I just opened a bottle of wizards lab NIC I bought about 3 months ago. Upon receiving it I put it in the freezer unopened. I cracked it open last night and proceeded to mix. I steeped my usual mix and tasted it. It nearly blew my head off the throat hit was so strong. I looked at the color of the NIC and it's nice and clear so I got out my trusty test kit. 98.5ml nic content. So that is good as it was susposed to be 100ml. So I got a nice clean clearo and sampled my 75/25 24ml NIC base and wow major throat hit and also has a light tobacco after taste. Mixed a new base of 50/50 24ml and same throat hit and tobacco taste. Mixed 18ml NIC slightly less throat hit and still a trace of tobacco taste. What is up with wizard labs. I've herd this was happening to other recent buyers.

man am i stoked to hear this! i am a self-proclaimed TH FANATIC. ive been known to barely detect the TH on lots of 24mg juices. and as luck would have it, ive got some Wizard Labs 100mg stashed untouched in my freezer. im not new to WL, but ive only ever used the 60mg level. of course i mix it down to a reasonable level and the TH is indeed in my acceptable range. but i just cant help but think that perhaps the 100mg, even when mixed down, might have more TH or perhaps a sharper more distinguished TH. it will be a while before i get to it though as ive got about 150ml of 60mg to burn through before i get to my 100mg bottle.

dang, this 100mg bottle was supposed to be for the vape apocolypse- but i cant wait to scratch it open lol!
whelp, looks like WL is back on the "to-order-from" list

 

[BlueMoods]

I use a different supplier but, I do use 100 mg PG, and yes freezing it does affect steeping unless you take what you need for the mix out a few hours early and let it come to room temp before mixing. I take out what I am going to use the night before and put it in my smaller bottle in the cabinet to warm before mixing.

 

[MoonLit_Water]

I buy My nic 100mg PG and store it in the freezer, since I vape 50/50 PG/VG I make a 60ml bottle of 50mg 50/50 PG/VG and leave it out to have it on hand when for when I need to make some juice.

 

[Moogle]

I freezed some Wizard Labs 100mg NIC a month ago and took out my first 2 oz bottle of it. Thawed it and mixed it down to 50mg. It's in a 4 oz canning jar and it has turned a little yellowish and does give of a musky smell. No difference in flavor or throat hit.

 

[we2rcool]

I just opened a bottle of wizards lab NIC I bought about 3 months ago. Upon receiving it I put it in the freezer unopened. I cracked it open last night and proceeded to mix. I steeped my usual mix and tasted it. It nearly blew my head off the throat hit was so strong. I looked at the color of the NIC and it's nice and clear so I got out my trusty test kit. 98.5ml nic content. So that is good as it was susposed to be 100ml. So I got a nice clean clearo and sampled my 75/25 24ml NIC base and wow major throat hit and also has a light tobacco after taste. Mixed a new base of 50/50 24ml and same throat hit and tobacco taste. Mixed 18ml NIC slightly less throat hit and still a trace of tobacco taste. What is up with wizard labs. I've herd this was happening to other recent buyers.

I immediately thought along the lines with mrcoolbp. You tested it; the nic level is correct. Nic is the major source of throat hit. You're experiencing an increase in throat hit, but clearly you're not getting too much nic (unless you mixed it incorrectly). My first thought was...'bet whatever nic he was using before was "low".

Of course, I don't know enough of the technicalities of the chemicals & mixing to know the other variables - that's just what came to mind immediately.

 

[john333]

I vape unflavored nic every day along with a couple flavored. My mix is 60/40 pg/vg 18mg nic. I allow it's the closest vape to a real cigarette because of lack of flavor. My mix does not require any steeping and the taste does not change over time. I do get a peppery taste from time to time, which I like. My supply comes from RTS Vapes.

From my experience I think you do have a problem with your nicotine solution. I would contact WL and ask them if there's a problem with the lot number you have. Didn't they recently move to a much more humid climate?

 

[Kurt]

Your titration test does not measure nicotine alone, it measures ALL tobacco alkaloids that might be present. WL nic can vary I have found in taste and TH. A trace amount of other alkaloids can have a large effect on TH and taste, without giving color. This is not to say the nic is not of high purity. It probably is, but it takes very little other trace alkaloids, which have structures similar to nicotine, to give a bite and taste. I happen to like that myself, but to each his own.

Your nic test is not precise enough to say the nic level to the degree of precision you state. 98.5 mg/mL (not mL) should be taken as 90 - 100 mg/mL. You cannot say beyond that unless you are doing multiple titrations and your acid is standardized to several places past the decimal. Other details also need to be in place as well. It is a lot of work to be able to claim sub mg/mL precision. Trust me, I know.

I am guessing there is nothing wrong with this nic, it is just the way that batch of nic was. See the thread "Nicotine Comparisons" for discussions on taste, TH, and pepper effect with unflavored nic vaping. You don't get into the truly tasteless until you go the the next step beyond extraction (distillation), which gets rid of everything but nicotine. WL Ice is an example of this, I believe. I know NicVape is. I have heard ExtrremeVaping is too, but I've not tried it. For years MFS gave killer TH and pepper in the nose. Box Elder has a particular taste that I really like, but others don't.

 

[DrApex]

Trust you? Why would we trust a chemistry professor on the topic of mixing chemicals?

#irony

Seriously, thanks for sharing... We could all stand to know a bit more about chemistry, considering our 'hobby'

Sent from my mobile. Ignore typos please.

 

[Kurt]

Trust you? Why would we trust a chemistry professor on the topic of mixing chemicals?

#irony

Seriously, thanks for sharing... We could all stand to know a bit more about chemistry, considering our 'hobby'

Sent from my mobile. Ignore typos please.

Vaping is ALL chemistry! Happy to help clarify things as I can.

I also don't want anyone to think I look down on vapers using kits to test for nic strength. Not at all! I think it is great people are using them, but there needs to be an understanding of their limitations.

 

[seamor512]

How long will it take nic that is not stored in a freezer to go bad?