Wow! CNN "eatocracy" blog discussion is heating up.

[Moonswanni]

For them, it is "simple and common-sense" (which are two words that make my ... twitch, especially if a politician is the one saying them). For her, nicotine is evil and therefor is capable of doing evil things beyond the limits of science or reality.

Another thing people miss is the benefits of nicotine. I just posted this on CNN (to a Barbara), so I'll plagiarize myself.

This reminds me about studies done on nicotine to combat depression, ADHD, and anxiety. Nicotine lessens the symptoms of these issues. The question that came up during the study, was were people using nicotine to regulate their symptoms. They speculated that people who have a hard time quitting cigarettes might be because of the "benefits" of nicotine.

The point is that nicotine does have benefits, and Barbara used the example of the benefits to Alzheimer's disease. If one is suffering from "mild cognitive impairment", and uses Ecigs as a remedy, is that so "tacky" and low-brow?

Nicotine Patch Improves Memory in People With Mild Cognitive Impairment - ABC News

 

[Moonswanni]

Yeah I saw this as well and was floored, but leads me to believe an article that I have read, and a you tube vid that I posted that trolls are hired to surf the net and sway public opinion.

Ding. I'm really into the non-GMO scene. The biotech companies hire a staff to change public opinion but were recently outted (new word). That's were most of those "GMO's are backed by science" posts come from.

I'm also book nut, and many book reviews on Amazon are paid for. It's also common knowledge that intellectual negative reviews are removed by Amazon, but nutty negative reviews are not censored. There in the business to sell books, so its obvious why they do this.

I miss the days when the internet was non-commercial.

 

[Robino1]

It's the same sort of "I can imagine that ____ is causing _____, so it must be so!" mentality that allows statements such as "inhaling the air in the same space as someone vaping will addict you to their nicotine, faster than or !"

For them, it is "simple and common-sense" (which are two words that make my twitch, especially if a politician is the one saying them). For her, nicotine is evil and therefor is capable of doing evil things beyond the limits of science or reality.

It's a widespread mindset and different people inject different "things" into the "________ is an evil thing" equation. Calling a thing, an inanimate object or substance "evil" is to give it a personality, an intent, an agenda and a goal. You can put nearly anything into the blank and there are large numbers of people who have their own pet _______, and they truly believe that it IS evil and out to cause death and destruction, even without human interaction or intervention. You name it. Nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, firearms, big cars, HFCS, etc.. the list doesn't end. And you can't convince them that it is they who are being even slightly emotional, irrational, or just taking it "a bit too personally and a bit too far".

You need to edit your post. There are two drug references that need to come out and the word that means a donkey's behind.

 

[soba1]

I guess she missed the day they discussed water vapor/mist and the reflection of light in elementary school Science.


I can't believe these people actually have the knowledge to survive....it truly amazes me

Lol one to many tripe to the liquor store. But I do maintain my premise. Insanity and malice are running rampant.

 

[soba1]

Ding. I'm really into the non-GMO scene. The biotech companies hire a staff to change public opinion but were recently outted (new word). That's were most of those "GMO's are backed by science" posts come from.

I'm also book nut, and many book reviews on Amazon are paid for. It's also common knowledge that intellectual negative reviews are removed by Amazon, but nutty negative reviews are not censored. There in the business to sell books, so its obvious why they do this.

I miss the days when the internet was non-commercial.

Oh don't feel bad there was this stock guy who used to be very popular, he admitted that if we want a stock to to go up we will hype it big time knowing there was no substance behind the company. They do it all the time, reading a lot of those comments in that CNN piece wow

 

[Barbara21]

Another thing people miss is the benefits of nicotine. I just posted this on CNN (to a Barbara), so I'll plagiarize myself.

This reminds me about studies done on nicotine to combat depression, ADHD, and anxiety. Nicotine lessens the symptoms of these issues. The question that came up during the study, was were people using nicotine to regulate their symptoms. They speculated that people who have a hard time quitting cigarettes might be because of the "benefits" of nicotine.

The point is that nicotine does have benefits, and Barbara used the example of the benefits to Alzheimer's disease. If one is suffering from "mild cognitive impairment", and uses Ecigs as a remedy, is that so "tacky" and low-brow?

Nicotine Patch Improves Memory in People With Mild Cognitive Impairment - ABC News

Ah, that was me!! Someone actually read my comment!!

 

[Recon Number 54]

You need to edit your post. There are two drug references that need to come out and the word that means a donkey's behind.

I was speaking of my whole donkey, not just part of it.

 

[legsbnm001]

Another thing people miss is the benefits of nicotine. I just posted this on CNN (to a Barbara), so I'll plagiarize myself.

This reminds me about studies done on nicotine to combat depression, ADHD, and anxiety. Nicotine lessens the symptoms of these issues. The question that came up during the study, was were people using nicotine to regulate their symptoms. They speculated that people who have a hard time quitting cigarettes might be because of the "benefits" of nicotine.

The point is that nicotine does have benefits, and Barbara used the example of the benefits to Alzheimer's disease. If one is suffering from "mild cognitive impairment", and uses Ecigs as a remedy, is that so "tacky" and low-brow?

Nicotine Patch Improves Memory in People With Mild Cognitive Impairment - ABC News

Honestly this is why I started smoking. I didnt like the way the medication for anxiety made me feel so I started smoking to curb the emotional swings. I have been vaping for 2 weeks (18mg 60/40 pg/vg) and I will say that I have actually felt better now than when I smoked. I have fewer emotional mood swings vaping than smoking. I am still battling the dry throat and heavy chest but I know that after a few more weeks I will be good to go.

 

[Moonswanni]

Oh don't feel bad there was this stock guy who used to be very popular, he admitted that if we want a stock to to go up we will hype it big time knowing there was no substance behind the company. They do it all the time, reading a lot of those comments in that CNN piece wow

I didn't even think of stocks. Very true!

 

[Moonswanni]

Ah, that was me!! Someone actually read my comment!!

I love that banana.

That was an excellent post! I wasn't aware of the effects/affects (??) it had on Alzheimers. It sorta puts a cork on those who don't like it because it looks "tacky".

 

[SeattleVapo]

Don't take this Jack's vape away!

 

[FlamingoTutu]

Another thing people miss is the benefits of nicotine. I just posted this on CNN (to a Barbara), so I'll plagiarize myself.

This reminds me about studies done on nicotine to combat depression, ADHD, and anxiety. Nicotine lessens the symptoms of these issues. The question that came up during the study, was were people using nicotine to regulate their symptoms. They speculated that people who have a hard time quitting cigarettes might be because of the "benefits" of nicotine.

The point is that nicotine does have benefits, and Barbara used the example of the benefits to Alzheimer's disease. If one is suffering from "mild cognitive impairment", and uses Ecigs as a remedy, is that so "tacky" and low-brow?

Nicotine Patch Improves Memory in People With Mild Cognitive Impairment - ABC News

That's why I started smoking in my early teens, ADHD. It was another 20 years before I learned what ADHD was and almost another 20 before I connected the dots. Smoking was never conducive to anything I did, not the least being a wildland firefighter. If teachers and doctors hadn't been so busy denying that ADD/ADHD existed, I never would have had that nasty habit. Rant over.

 

[Moonswanni]

Honestly this is why I started smoking. I didnt like the way the medication for anxiety made me feel so I started smoking to curb the emotional swings. I have been vaping for 2 weeks (18mg 60/40 pg/vg) and I will say that I have actually felt better now than when I smoked. I have fewer emotional mood swings vaping than smoking. I am still battling the dry throat and heavy chest but I know that after a few more weeks I will be good to go.

I never was able to quit smoking until I had certain body parts and a tumor removed; hormone level were pretty extreme and so were the mood swings . But after surgery, it was so easy to quit. I've quit three times since then and its been almost painless. My problem now is re-programming twenty years of habit. So this idea of "quitting is a matter of will power" is not true for everyone. I'd be willing to bet money, there are more people smoking for these very reasons. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Robino1]

I never was able to quit smoking until I had certain body parts and a tumor removed; hormone level were pretty extreme and so were the mood swings . But after surgery, it was so easy to quit. I've quit three times since then and its been almost painless. My problem now is re-programming twenty years of habit. So this idea of "quitting is a matter of will power" is not true for everyone. I'd be willing to bet money, there are more people smoking for these very reasons. Thanks for sharing.

Even if I get down to zero nic, I will continue to vape. Simply because I have developed this habit for over thirty years. That is the toughest one to break. My hand to mouth habit was lovingly cultivated for years. It was there whenever I just relaxed, was stressed, just needed to checkout from reality and get away from everything for a minute (or 7 minutes as was timed to have a cig). I simply do not know how to relax if I'm not doing the hand to mouth habit.

 

[Moonswanni]

That's why I started smoking in my early teens, ADHD. It was another 20 years before I learned what ADHD was and almost another 20 before I connected the dots. Smoking was never conducive to anything I did, not the least being a wildland firefighter. If teachers and doctors hadn't been so busy denying that ADD/ADHD existed, I never would have had that nasty habit. Rant over.

Thanks for sharing. I bet many are reading these posts and can identify with you guys. My brother has ADHD. My parents were told he was just one of those "problem" children. When he was younger he had a thing with fire too, but it was starting them. LOL

When it comes to chemical imbalances, I'm convinced doctors are incompetent. Recently I kept going into psychosis, because of what I now know to be a sleeping disorder caused my problems mentioned in the above post. The doctor's knew I wasn't suffering from a mental illness, but yet, they continued to prescribe drugs given to schizophrenia patients. Since my surgery I haven't had problems, but to think that I could be addicted to a psychotic drug is scary. Now everyone knows my entire medical history. hehehe.

 

[ScottP]

The doctor's knew I wasn't suffering from a mental illness, but yet, they continued to prescribe drugs given to schizophrenia patients. Since my surgery I haven't had problems, but to think that I could be addicted to a psychotic drug is scary. Now everyone knows my entire medical history. hehehe.

That is because modern doctors are trained to "prescribe, prescribe, prescribe". I think a lot of them get kick backs and perks for prescribing medications and I wouldn't be shocked to learn that Big Pharma pays for the publication of medical school text books.

When my daughter was young we went through several pediatricians for this reason. On at least two occasions we took her to a doctor because she was sick and BOTH doctors said she has a virus, and then wanted to prescribe an antibiotic. In both cases I asked the doctor: "Doesn't antibiotics only kill bacteria and not a virus?" and in both cases they started back peddling and finally admitted that I was right. We never went back to those doctors.

 

[Moonswanni]

Even if I get down to zero nic, I will continue to vape. Simply because I have developed this habit for over thirty years. That is the toughest one to break. My hand to mouth habit was lovingly cultivated for years. It was there whenever I just relaxed, was stressed, just needed to checkout from reality and get away from everything for a minute (or 7 minutes as was timed to have a cig). I simply do not know how to relax if I'm not doing the hand to mouth habit.

That sounds like me. I don't want to vape forever, but I'm struggling with my next course of action. I can see myself getting bored with vaping, but I don't think it will be out of my life completely. We've all heard to people going back to cigarettes after years of quitting; I can see myself being a statistic.

I'm a person who likes to plan things, but I'm not setting a date on the vaping thing. I'm letting nature take its course and see how it goes. If I get back on the nicotine merry-go-round, so be it. As long as I'm not smoking cigarettes, I'm OK with that. Avoiding cigarettes is important, because I was starting to develop respiratory issues and an usual cough (early stage COPD???).

 

[Forkeh]

I would absolutely not openly vape, blowing huge clouds of vapor in a restaurant. I wouldn't do this for several reasons. First of all, the smell. Unless you're vaping unflavored, there's a smell. Don't delude yourself. Is it a bad smell? Depends on the flavor and the individual smelling it. There are juices that make me a bit nauseous! I'm not going to subject someone else to a smell that might put off their appetite if I don't have to.

Then there's the issue of what's in the liquid. No I don't think it's anything generally dangerous. Nothing like that. But there are people with sensitivities. I mean, just brows some of the forums here, and you'll see that there are vapers, even, who have bad reactions to PG. Then there's the added scents and flavorings. And in one instance, my vapor has set off someone's asthma (a coworker of mine who was off her medication because of a pharmacy screw up) and I felt horrible about that. Yes our liquid contains things that are in inhalers, but that's not all that's in it, and our liquids can cause irritation. It's really ridiculous to pretend otherwise.

And these are the two reasons that I would never openly vape, or blow huge clouds of vapor in a restaurant (or other enclosed area that's heavily populated, and insufficiently ventilated). But they're the same reasons I won't pile on the cologne or perfume (and yes I am apt to wear either; I don't identify as any sort of gender binary) before going to the same sort of place. For the same reason I'd try to avoid obnoxiously passing gas if I could help it. It's just....inconsiderate and rude.

However, that doesn't mean I think vaping in a restaurant should be banned. Just like I don't think wearing perfume or passing gas should be banned, that's ridiculous. You can't legislate good manners. People who aren't obnoxious about it, keep their flavors mild, ghost the exhale, or only take tiny toots that dissipate almost immediately, they're not bothering anyone around them. Why do we need to legislate all areas of this? Why can't people just be considerate of others?

 

[Barbara21]

I love that banana.

That was an excellent post! I wasn't aware of the effects/affects (??) it had on Alzheimers. It sorta puts a cork on those who don't like it because it looks "tacky".

This is the post Moonswanni is referring to - I posted it in the CNN page

It's long been known (in the medical field) that smoking (tobacco) was good in one respect – it cuts your chances of getting Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease in half. (Yes, you're reading that correctly. In half.) Unfortunately the negative effects of smoking (such as lung cancer, heart disease, etc.) vastly outweighed that benefit.

Now studies coming out are showing it was the nicotine in tobacco smoke that was providing the beneficial effects.

'Smoking' and 'nicotine' have been used interchangeably for years, since the only way to get nicotine was by smoking. That is no longer the case – we can separate the two. The FDA has actually come out and said that long-term nicotine use is safe (though they were specifically referring to nicotine patches, lozenges, gum).

So if long-term nicotine use is safe *and* it might cut down my risk of Alzheimer's, why would I quit?


The only reason I said 'might cut down' was because there are (as of yet) no long-term studies *proving it*. Vaping simply hasn't been around long enough. But studies currently in progress show that nicotine (in the form of patches) does have a significant beneficial effect on preventing/postponing the onset on Alzheimers in patients at high risk for it.

Nicotine May Slow Progression to Alzheimer's Disease - Georgetown University

I'm a nurse and work with a fair number of dementia patients. Dementia/Alzheimers scares the heck out of me. The thought of 'losing my mind' is...well, I don't even want to think about it. <shudder>

 

[Moonswanni]

That is because modern doctors are trained to "prescribe, prescribe, prescribe". I think a lot of them get kick backs and perks for prescribing medications and I wouldn't be shocked to learn that Big Pharma pays for the publication of medical school text books.

Funny you mentioned this, because I later found out that schizophrenia is a big business. I could never understand their obsession with trying to hang schizophrenia on me. They would tell me "we know you don't have schizophrenia" but we want to do this-and-that just to make sure. My family and I were dumb founded. I can't blame this on one set of doctors either. I went into psychosis several times and it was different hospitals each time. It was almost like this was some sort of protocol.

Even worse, I had to stay in a mental ward for many days with sick people (state law). When they admitted me, they would drug me and I would sleep. I would then wake up and be normal. I even told these people I hadn't slept in over a week - they ignored me; I mean they didn't even blink.

On one occasion there was even a court hearing (in psychosis I trespassed on private property and I was in someone's car) and they threaten to charge me if I didn't have more tests done. There are no test for schizophrenia by the way. Anyway, no one in my family has had an experience with this type of facility, and since then, I've developed a phobia about it. I felt like I was a convicted criminal in prison. Just going through a psychotic episode is enough to unnerve anyone. So the moral of the story, is never go without sleep for many days. Just take a sleep aid or Benadryl. This is an experience you don't want to have. Another TMI post.