WTA is the future

[Jorge22]

@cigarbabe: ad nauseum? That is tough! I don't know what tobacco Absolute is; I know it comes from TPA and is extracted from the tobacco plant. It's a well known thing. The only thing I repeat (because others have said it), adding this and that and bringing ecigs closer to analogs is bad politics. That doesn't mean I don't get your point.

@rothenbj: maybe I don't really need the nic - or anything for that matter. I just happen to like it and a bit of the TH, something you won't be able to get without the nic. Doctors say nicotine fights Parkinson or Alzheimer or both, I'm not certain anymore. I also happen to like caffeine (3 to 4 espressos a day and, btw, the doctors say it's a very healthy thing these days), chocolate that contains cocoa (they also praise it), condensed milk, alcohol (but just because I appreciate wine, beer, whisky, not because I like getting drunk; they say wine and whisky are good for you too), etc. Hmm, I guess that's it.

@MikenGA: I'm glad WTA does it for you. I must say I don't crave analogs at all. I used to smoke a pack and a half a day.

That's it. Everybody vape on and be cool!

 

[kinabaloo]

People may wonder just what is the difference between WTA and nic-only e-liquid.

And note that this only applies to those who 'need' it.

A few analogies come to mind ...

If one buys a atandard bar of chocolate one can ('must' even) much the whole lot in one go; whereas a high quality chocolate satisfies in small measure and more greatly appreciated. One can delve into the bio-psychology of endorphins and more if one wishes, but it is clear that the cheaper, simpler stiff is merely a 'sugar-rush'. A one-trick race with no finish line.

Something similar is the case with alcoholic beverages, if one compares a good wine or liquor with a can of beer. A simple cheap alco-hit doesn't satiate, it just boosts the craving and the night ends in the gutter or bathroom. Wheras with a fine wine, say, it is appreciated on many more levels; like a good work of art; it moves you ...

WTA is like making love to someone that you really love, and who loves you too; nicotine alone is like just playing the sax, so to speak Once you're puffed out, do you feel good, or empty ...

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If you get the luv with just the nic - that's great; it's no put-down - after all, many people need neither. Just trying to give the sense of how it feels to need more than just nic; not that you are missing anything. It's just an analogy. Even the chocolate and wine are somewhat exaggeratons - just trying to elucidate the experience for those without it. Yet as analogies go, that last one is really close.

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'Climbing up the wall? With WTA, it's the Earth that moves .....' - trademarking it right now

 

[cigarbabe]

@cigarbabe: ad nauseum? That is tough! I don't know what Tobacco Absolute is; I know it comes from TPA and is extracted from the tobacco plant. It's a well known thing. The only thing I repeat (because others have said it), adding this and that and bringing ecigs closer to analogs is bad politics. That doesn't mean I don't get your point.

@rothenbj: maybe I don't really need the nic - or anything for that matter. I just happen to like it and a bit of the TH, something you won't be able to get without the nic. Doctors say nicotine fights Parkinson or Alzheimer or both, I'm not certain anymore. I also happen to like caffeine (3 to 4 espressos a day and, btw, the doctors say it's a very healthy thing these days), chocolate that contains cocoa (they also praise it), condensed milk, alcohol (but just because I appreciate wine, beer, whisky, not because I like getting drunk; they say wine and whisky are good for you too), etc. Hmm, I guess that's it.

@MikenGA: I'm glad WTA does it for you. I must say I don't crave analogs at all. I used to smoke a pack and a half a day.

That's it. Everybody vape on and be cool!

Thanks for replying and clarifying.
I said "ad nauseum" because we in this thread have said "it's not for everyone" it more times than I even care to admit!
I'm wondering who these people you are speaking of who claim "it is bad politics" and "it brings us closer to analogues".
Are you speaking of people on forums or some other media or is this your personal view?
I know of a couple of shows where the hosts were pretty uninformed about what WTA actually consisted of.
They are of course entitled to their opinions but I object to people making statements about WTA or anything else that are not grounded in fact or are totally misrepresented.
Mostly I'm curious to know.
C.B.

 

[Jorge22]

Well, it's just an opinion shared by many and I who, of course, didn't read the entire thread, which is huge, happened to have read a few comments with that same opinion. But as I said, I understand.

 

[AaronY]

Could you be more specific in what you are asking Aaron?
I offered a side by side comparison.
If you're talking about vapor production, pg/vg/ ratios or what device it was tried on all of those things are simply not relevant to the WTA experience at all!
No one should care how much vapor it produces {if this was your point}.
For users of WTA the most important factor is does it work for me or does it not and where can I buy some of this tremendous product?
Period.
I don't think it really matters about all the extraneous bs that you normally see in juice reviews.
The flavors may matter to some of us but it not as important as whether or not it works. Jerry possibly made a decision to only offer unflavored. I'm guessing to avoid complaints about bs like "it doesn't taste like a,b,c"!
Smart move Jerry!
On the other hand Ethan is on top of his flavor game and so does really well with his mixes. Way to go Ethan!

On another note MikenGA I'm thrilled you liked the Rasberry/Lemon it is good isn't it?
C.B.

What comment number did you do that? Not that interested in vapor production or flavor although that would be nice Interested in more the satisfaction of the wta. Which do you think satisfies more?

 

[dankcincy]

Only two vendors and both out of stock?

 

[Sdh]

I am sure they will make more. I received my 87ml purchase last week. Ethan should have more soon. Did you email direct?

 

[cigarbabe]

What comment number did you do that? Not that interested in vapor production or flavor although that would be nice Interested in more the satisfaction of the wta. Which do you think satisfies more?

There is no either, or scenario here Aaron.
I will not get involved in a "Jerry's is better, no Ethan's is better" bs.
I got the same feeling from both products and that is how it should be.
As I said previously the only differences are that Ethan's is flavored and Jerry's was not.
Both have excellent vapor production and provided a satisfying, calm infused vape.
Period.
C.B.

 

[AlmightyGod]

There is no either, or scenario here Aaron.
I will not get involved in a "Jerry's is better, no Ethan's is better" bs.
I got the same feeling from both products and that is how it should be.
As I said previously the only differences are that Ethan's is flavored and Jerry's was not.
Both have excellent vapor production and provided a satisfying, calm infused vape.
Period.
C.B.

Thank you for nipping this in the bud.

WTA is WTA.

 

[QusieQ]

just my opinion, but I have no plans to try WTA ... I am doing fine with the traditional liquids

 

[dankcincy]

I am sure they will make more. I received my 87ml purchase last week. Ethan should have more soon. Did you email direct?

I have not

 

[cigarbabe]

just my opinion, but I have no plans to try WTA ... I am doing fine with the traditional liquids

That's just ducky!
So did you have something else to add to the discussion?
C.B.

 

[QusieQ]

That's just ducky!
So did you have something else to add to the discussion?
C.B.

Ducky? LOL, I would have used the word Peachy ... And nope nothing more to say, if I did I would have posted it

 

[Brobdingnagian]

Mike, glad you enjoyed the blend. I personally like tobacco-based blends more, myself.

I have a new order coming soon, and Ethan is back in stock with his WTA.

I think that these blends would be delicious without the WTA, but for me, it's the only thing that stopped me from vaping into nic headaches and still wanting a cigarette when I saw one.

This round: [Beta blend] 18mg/ X-High WTA 36ml
[English Pipe] 18mg/ X-High WTA 12ml
[Electric Cigarette] 18mg /X-High WTA 12ml
& some other goodies....

Trying to nail down a flavor characteristic that interests me in blends, and Ethan has been gracious enough to offer me the opportunity to purchase some flavors that will help me 'pin down', so to speak, my vaping interests.

Plus, as I enjoy strong, complex, and mostly aromatic blends- it is easy for me to feel that if I were still smoking, I would easily be able to quit using these types of blends instead of something different.

I also believe that for the non-WTA user, there is a definite offering here for them, too- definitely something special about Ethan's blends. He works these blends into something that can best be described as magic, if not vapelicious.

WTA is preference, sure. But it's also about harm reduction. My juice usage dropped 50%, but when my vape is performing poorly my juice usage increases. I've got a feeling for some people [including me], it [satiety with juice] has something to do with getting that initial burst of WTA and nicotine [or nicotine only for some people] but this is purely speculation influenced by my little knowledge and personal opinion. In my case, I prefer strong flavor with strong TH and endless vapor clouds to create my own atmosphere of vapor, but that's tricky to achieve.

Every person differs physiologically and psychologically and the variables affecting success are very likely individually and/or circumstantially unique, just like our choices of PV, juice, atomizers, cartomizers, fluxomizers, ect.

Speaking of which...I've got some Dual-coil 1.25 ohm atomizers & some Kanger Horizontal Coil 2.0 ohm cartomizers on the way... looking forward to testing them with the WTA.

 

[cigarbabe]

Hey Brobdingnagian can I call you "Brob"?
Actually where are you getting the Kangers from?
I bought some for my little Volt kit and already I've had two "blow up" so I'm wondering if these things have different manufacturers or maybe I got a bad bunch?
I don't know the thing was sopping wet so it shouldn't be blowing back like it did.
C.B.

 

[MaxUT]

...I enjoy strong, complex, and mostly aromatic blends...

As do I. Which flavor have you enjoyed most so far?

I used to like Skandinavik pipe tobacco. If I could find a juice with similar taste, that would surely be vaping heaven for me.

 

[kinabaloo]

Harm reduction is about efficacy (effective, safer alternative one doesn't need to over-use) and that includes satation - which needs include a 'hit'; as someone said, even the WTA if weakened sufficientlt by a bad device will not create that impact + satiation.

Ride a roller and the buzz lasts. Imagine riding it at 1/4 speed. Would going around for 4x as long be as good? Or even 10x ?

 

[Brobdingnagian]

Hey Brobdingnagian can I call you "Brob"?

Brob, ding, or whatever you want to call me is fine; as long as I remember what I go by, I should be ok. :>

Actually where are you getting the Kangers from?

Clouds of Vapor. I just placed my order with Bruce for 5 dual-coil 1.5Ω atomizers and a 5-pack of spiffy steel Kanger horizontal coil 2.0Ω cartomizers. I simultaneously ordered a MAP edition drip shield from Empiremods along with a universal drip tip [the stackable delrin variety] closed-connection 510-510 adapter, and spare o-rings.

I bought some for my little Volt kit and already I've had two "blow up" so I'm wondering if these things have different manufacturers or maybe I got a bad bunch?
I don't know the thing was sopping wet so it shouldn't be blowing back like it did.
C.B.

This greatly depends on your voltage. If you're pulling too many amps.... wait, do you just mean "turn into an e-juice cannon" or "explode"?

Anyhow, if you're producing too many amps for the cartomizer, it might be the cause if it's the 2.0Ω, if it's higher than 2Ω, maybe the seller can replace 'em for you? Higher resistances shouldn't be fizzling so quickly, even my 2.0 BOGE's have lasted me a month and a half, I accidentally burned two of the poor things....talk about a unique taste.

...Although, it's probably better than the infamous "Crab" E-juice I keep watching video reviews on.

& Also, I think the Kangers use a different filler than standard poly-fill, as well. I'm not entirely certain what it is, but people did report having to top it off often, juice blowback sounds like a design flaw to me.

As do I. Which flavor have you enjoyed most so far?

It's not quite a full-release flavor [it's the one I ordered 36ml of on that list], but you might want to ask Ethan what sort of Burley blends he offers. The one I enjoy the most is a smokey flavor, with a well-rounded Burley tobacco bite. I think it tastes like a Burley cigarette with some extra complexities.

I enjoy mixing my blends together, and Oakwood mixed with this blend is actually quite intriguing, but I can't give a specific flavor profile as uneven mixing of blends on my end obfuscated the flavor balance Ethan already had achieved.

I used to like Skandinavik pipe tobacco. If I could find a juice with similar taste, that would surely be vaping heaven for me.

I'll have the English Pipe flavor soon, and I'll attempt to give it an objective flavor review- all I know about it is so far is that it's different than the blends I'm currently using. I've never tried Skandinavik varietals, but I have smoked quite a few cigars and Black & Milds in the past.

Something like a Black & Mild with the wooden tip smoothness would go over quite well, in my opinion. I mean, heck, my KGO already looks like a Black & Mild, it might as well smell like one- at least occasionally!

 

[MikeE3]

...
Ride a roller and the buzz lasts. Imagine riding it at 1/4 speed. Would going around for 4x as long be as good? Or even 10x ?
...

I just had to come back to your post again today. That phrase keeps runnin' 'round my mind. It sums up for me why I'm a chain vapor.

 

[AaronY]

There is no either, or scenario here Aaron.
I will not get involved in a "Jerry's is better, no Ethan's is better" bs.
I got the same feeling from both products and that is how it should be.
As I said previously the only differences are that Ethan's is flavored and Jerry's was not.
Both have excellent vapor production and provided a satisfying, calm infused vape.
Period.
C.B.

Just curious. There is a different between a bottom self whiskey and a good scotch at least to me. Not only in taste but feeling. I have tons and tons of juice. Trying to organize them now and wow. Need to step up my reviewing and figure out what juices I like before some start to expire. Do you feel any different between the two? Guess I need to try them both. Just curious to see from people that have.