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Lets have a little fun here. First we need an "object" so lets use the "Hindu Perspective"
We will see what it will take to fully understand it. We will refer to it as "The mountain"
(FYI- Buddhist love a story about a mountain) haha, anyway to understand the mountain we must look at it. If I tell you about what I see or paint you a picture this is not full understanding (only one view is shared).
Now let us apply the "Diamond Consciousness" to the mountain. And now we start to walk around the mountain. In one day we stop and look again. It is different now. Has the mountain changed? No, only our view of it. but now we see more of it and know more of it. As we walk we not only change our view from a space(distance) perspective but from a new time position as well. If we circle the mountain all the way the view will never be as it was when first viewed because time has passed and we now "see" differently.
Speculation...In trying to comprehend the "Hindu perspective" the more we view it from different places in time and space (Diamond Consciousness) the clearer our understanding of the whole Mountain becomes. It can not be viewed once and understood. Hindus study the mountain all of their life as their view changes as they move thru time (getting older,wiser)
The mountain being solid and unchanging becomes the focus point. The human mind being changeable and flowing in a linear direction with time seeks only to never loose sight of the mountain. Knowledge of the focus point becomes an anchor against the power of time to wash away the consciousness into negative distractions that can lead one away from the beauty that is the mountain.
Discussion..?...
We will see what it will take to fully understand it. We will refer to it as "The mountain"
(FYI- Buddhist love a story about a mountain) haha, anyway to understand the mountain we must look at it. If I tell you about what I see or paint you a picture this is not full understanding (only one view is shared).
Now let us apply the "Diamond Consciousness" to the mountain. And now we start to walk around the mountain. In one day we stop and look again. It is different now. Has the mountain changed? No, only our view of it. but now we see more of it and know more of it. As we walk we not only change our view from a space(distance) perspective but from a new time position as well. If we circle the mountain all the way the view will never be as it was when first viewed because time has passed and we now "see" differently.
Speculation...In trying to comprehend the "Hindu perspective" the more we view it from different places in time and space (Diamond Consciousness) the clearer our understanding of the whole Mountain becomes. It can not be viewed once and understood. Hindus study the mountain all of their life as their view changes as they move thru time (getting older,wiser)
The mountain being solid and unchanging becomes the focus point. The human mind being changeable and flowing in a linear direction with time seeks only to never loose sight of the mountain. Knowledge of the focus point becomes an anchor against the power of time to wash away the consciousness into negative distractions that can lead one away from the beauty that is the mountain.
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I think you've said it all about the mountain, Vince. It's true that our view of the mountain keeps on changing, but the moutain itself stays the same.
What about the weather? 4 Seasons like fall, winter, spring & summer? Lack of Sun (overcast) makes me sad. Even the Moon affects our mood. There are many reasons for our view to change. Loss makes everything looks ugly, doesn't it?
What about the weather? 4 Seasons like fall, winter, spring & summer? Lack of Sun (overcast) makes me sad. Even the Moon affects our mood. There are many reasons for our view to change. Loss makes everything looks ugly, doesn't it?
The Hindu concept of time is important here because it gives perspective and a sense of scale. Think of yourself as an eternal being and you will notice that the mountain does indeed change, nothing is static, even a 'straight' line is curved on a grand scale.
Erosion, eruption, quakes, etc all change the structure of the mountain.
Hindus teach that time is spiral in nature and we cycle through four ages. We are in a Kali Yuga (lead) age at the moment which started around 3102BCE and is 432,000 years long. This is considered a dark age, people are furthest from god.
I don't know about any specific changes to Hinduism but it's certainly the oldest modern religion and must have evolved with time.
Another thing about the mountain is that we all see with different eyes from different perspectives and perceive differently. That means that we're not even looking at the same mountain. There are universal truths but our brains have trouble co-ordinating fine details so your mountain is not the one I see.
On a human time scale it does appear unmoving, solid and reliable and that is the comfort we need to frame our lives. The longer term collective mind urges us to go to the mountain where we will find meaning.
Erosion, eruption, quakes, etc all change the structure of the mountain.
Hindus teach that time is spiral in nature and we cycle through four ages. We are in a Kali Yuga (lead) age at the moment which started around 3102BCE and is 432,000 years long. This is considered a dark age, people are furthest from god.
I don't know about any specific changes to Hinduism but it's certainly the oldest modern religion and must have evolved with time.
Another thing about the mountain is that we all see with different eyes from different perspectives and perceive differently. That means that we're not even looking at the same mountain. There are universal truths but our brains have trouble co-ordinating fine details so your mountain is not the one I see.
On a human time scale it does appear unmoving, solid and reliable and that is the comfort we need to frame our lives. The longer term collective mind urges us to go to the mountain where we will find meaning.
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All things psychical are constantly changing. Of course. Don't allow your mind to distract you into seeing the mountain in this way. It is not a "real" mountain, but The Hindu perspective, and as far as I know it doesn't change with seasons, trees don't grow on it, etc.
The mind will always look for distractions from the Spiritual thinking back to the psychical reality. It is easier to grasp.
If we can ever grasp the possibility that something can exist and truly be unchanging then maybe we start to understand that God is real. This means we will have to completely release all knowledge of things that are psychical, real but constantly changing, for something that is a new concept in understanding, real but unchanging.
Please lets not fall into the distraction of things like "how far did you walk?", "was the sun shining?" " while walking did you step in poop?" Distractions from the point, nothing more.
You are spot on about peoples views Kate. No two people will ever paint an identical picture. No two will ever have completely identical views.
But different mountains? I don't know. certainly different views. All I have seen about constants is that they are, well...constant. If a blind man faces towards the mountain and sees not does that mean it is not there? Yet he can touch it and walk on it?
This also applies to belief in God. So I certainly see your point now (I'm slow sometimes) Each person can look and see a different God as they understand Him. Some things are indeed changed by the beholder. A colorblind person may see a purple God, but He is still God. Some things can be changed.
Speculation... If one looks and does not see God (the mountain now) does the mountain not exist for every one else?
If you take the blind man up on the mountain and he touches it and feels it, will he still not say " I still don't see it" ?
I like this. But to understand me better a note. When I write things like this I will forget it in a day or two, such is my mind. All theory is changing. I am allowed some knowledge so long as I accept that it is only temporary and I can not keep it but only pass it along.
Much is fluff and filler with a point here and there. The point here being that once I decide that I "know" something as absolute then growth of the spirit stops. This will not do.
Say anything you feel, I will always concede that I in fact "know" nothing. But I "think" a lot of things.
The mind will always look for distractions from the Spiritual thinking back to the psychical reality. It is easier to grasp.
If we can ever grasp the possibility that something can exist and truly be unchanging then maybe we start to understand that God is real. This means we will have to completely release all knowledge of things that are psychical, real but constantly changing, for something that is a new concept in understanding, real but unchanging.
Please lets not fall into the distraction of things like "how far did you walk?", "was the sun shining?" " while walking did you step in poop?" Distractions from the point, nothing more.
You are spot on about peoples views Kate. No two people will ever paint an identical picture. No two will ever have completely identical views.
But different mountains? I don't know. certainly different views. All I have seen about constants is that they are, well...constant. If a blind man faces towards the mountain and sees not does that mean it is not there? Yet he can touch it and walk on it?
This also applies to belief in God. So I certainly see your point now (I'm slow sometimes) Each person can look and see a different God as they understand Him. Some things are indeed changed by the beholder. A colorblind person may see a purple God, but He is still God. Some things can be changed.
Speculation... If one looks and does not see God (the mountain now) does the mountain not exist for every one else?
If you take the blind man up on the mountain and he touches it and feels it, will he still not say " I still don't see it" ?
I like this. But to understand me better a note. When I write things like this I will forget it in a day or two, such is my mind. All theory is changing. I am allowed some knowledge so long as I accept that it is only temporary and I can not keep it but only pass it along.
Much is fluff and filler with a point here and there. The point here being that once I decide that I "know" something as absolute then growth of the spirit stops. This will not do.
Say anything you feel, I will always concede that I in fact "know" nothing. But I "think" a lot of things.
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I have considered this before and here is my take on it.
If we are god then this defies understanding of the power instilled in God as we do not possess it. If this were to be a possibility then perhaps we feel this way as we are in fact a "part" of God. This leads me to expand the theory to suggest that if God is energy and would be all powerful as a complete being, then maybe to create the universe and all that is in it He split into billions of tiny pieces of energy and created all and all is still connected and all is still God but in smaller units so that none of the smaller units can claim to be God until all are eventually re-joined together into one.
If we are god then this defies understanding of the power instilled in God as we do not possess it. If this were to be a possibility then perhaps we feel this way as we are in fact a "part" of God. This leads me to expand the theory to suggest that if God is energy and would be all powerful as a complete being, then maybe to create the universe and all that is in it He split into billions of tiny pieces of energy and created all and all is still connected and all is still God but in smaller units so that none of the smaller units can claim to be God until all are eventually re-joined together into one.
Hahahaha, well if I were god in this situation I would devise a constantly rotating selector that would extract each consciousness for short periods of time so that individuals would still exist. The good ones anyway. The rest would be blended back into the one unit to become something better in the next "expansion"
Kate, I think your mind works much like mine. Question everything all the time because knowledge of the spirit is more important then the material world. Things of the spirit can never be seen as "absolute" because there is never any "proof" to be had.
Things in the spiritual realm are what they are. If we behold them then they have meaning to us, even if we can't understand it.
Things in the spiritual realm are what they are. If we behold them then they have meaning to us, even if we can't understand it.
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Do you have the same issue with knowledge recall as I do? When the mood hits then it is easy for me to write about theories and speculations but there has to be breaks in the flow. Your lol cat breaks work very well. The mind must have balance to work and seeking knowledge only can push one to one side and cause a blockage of information.
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Yeah, I'm not very materialistic at all, things don't interest me unless they are functional.
My recall isn't too bad but my head got a bit messed up and I have to double check all the time that I'm not talking rubbish. Sometimes I wonder if I'm acting weird without knowing it.
Lols are great for making things more entertaining and light hearted. People sometimes take things much too seriously on the intertubez.
My recall isn't too bad but my head got a bit messed up and I have to double check all the time that I'm not talking rubbish. Sometimes I wonder if I'm acting weird without knowing it.
Lols are great for making things more entertaining and light hearted. People sometimes take things much too seriously on the intertubez.
It was a nice painting of Cat Goddess Bast Priestesses with a little black kitten, but it was removed by a mod. Oh, well. I did not think it was offensive in anyway but an art. Sorry it offended someone. 
edit to say it wasn't a mod who removed image. It was done by photobucket due to copyright. Apparently owner of image traced it and had it removed. So we have to be careful with picking up someone else's image on their website. Doh! No wonder I was puzzled as I thought it wasn't offensive in any way.
edit to say it wasn't a mod who removed image. It was done by photobucket due to copyright. Apparently owner of image traced it and had it removed. So we have to be careful with picking up someone else's image on their website. Doh! No wonder I was puzzled as I thought it wasn't offensive in any way.
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Kate, as long as we an think to check ourselves, we are probably doing OK.
Love the picture, every cats dream of being be worshiped.
The indwelling god is always with us, I dont care what those Ceilin cats think.
Love the picture, every cats dream of being be worshiped.
The indwelling god is always with us, I dont care what those Ceilin cats think.
Can I join in the discussion?
Ok...thanks.
Ok...thanks.
I believe from the Hindu perspective, there is no difference between the spiritual and the physical. They are one. All physical is maya, or illusion. This is true if we look at quantum physics. There is nothing but energy that is in a constant state of motion. There is nothing but change.
The past doesn't exist and neither does the future. Only the constantly changing here and now.
Yes, but what he is touching is not what the mountain is. When we turn up the microscope, we see beautiful patterns and then we see what looks to be caotic images and with each step in magnification, it alters between ordered patterns and caos. It's all relative, yet not what it is. We can name an item, but a noun doesn't start an action. It is all action. Our language is a very large barrier to understanding constant motion.
If one sees God, they are not seeing God but an image created by God. One cannot see their own essence. Can you bite your own teeth? Can fire burn itself?
It only exists as our senses perceive it to be. What if a person was able to perceive the colors of the mountain in a different way? They may have touch receptors that differ from others. Who is right?
That is a wonderful way to look at life.
The Hindu perspecitve is that God is playing in a drama and God (us and everything) are the actors. How fun would it be to know the outcome of a game before you started playing? We are supposed to play the game as if we know nothing. Even Paul stated that Jesus gave up his divinity in order to walk among man.
I know I (my ego) has no idea how I beat my heart or digest my food, but yet it occurs. I believe we are nothing but pure (clear) consciousness that is much more intelligent than we think. The ego can never understand this because it is like a radar that detects danger and one can never know its own source or essence. It can't take in everything, yet this essence that we are can and does. Have you ever experienced something that is called synchronicity? That is an amazing thing in my experience. It happened just the other day as I was driving.
I'll tell a little story...many years ago I was working at UPS and a guy that I was working with and myself were playing around tossing paper wads at each other. We completed our little break and I turned around with my back to this guy and started working. For some reason, I reached up with my left hand and caught a paper wad by my ear that he had trown. I turned around and looked at him. He had this expression: 8-o I had this expression:
To this day I have no idea how I did that. I didn't think about anything, yet I had this paper wad in my hand. Although this doesn't have anything to do with synchronicity (that's another story!), I love to tell this story. I just say these things because I believe that we are more than we think we are, yet the psychic stuff is not that important in understanding our nature.
Also, if the big bang is true, we were right there with it. All there is is all there is and ever will be. I'm not speaking of the ego as in a personality, but the intelligence we call energy. This is more like the oak tree being present in the acorn.
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Hi Sandy, It's nice to have another "view" added here. Open mindedness is becoming very rare these days.
So many questions, so few answers. Such is life. The fact that we still wonder is a miracle in itself. It seems that society is only ready to give the easy or simple answers and just put and end to the questions once and for all. It's better for the masses if they question not, just live and die with no disturbances in what is considered standard reasoning.
The hardest thing for people to do is to admit " I don't know" when not knowing causes an identity crisis in regard to some belief they have that defines who they are.
Example:
I'm Jewish.
Why?
I do' er..ah...Because!
Because why?
My parents were Jewish.
How does that make you the same?
Because!
Arrgg. This is for example only, I have no feelings on the Jewish people at all. Feel free to insert any religion you want. Also this is not absolute as many people do know why they are who they are.
So many questions, so few answers. Such is life. The fact that we still wonder is a miracle in itself. It seems that society is only ready to give the easy or simple answers and just put and end to the questions once and for all. It's better for the masses if they question not, just live and die with no disturbances in what is considered standard reasoning.
The hardest thing for people to do is to admit " I don't know" when not knowing causes an identity crisis in regard to some belief they have that defines who they are.
Example:
I'm Jewish.
Why?
I do' er..ah...Because!
Because why?
My parents were Jewish.
How does that make you the same?
Because!
Arrgg. This is for example only, I have no feelings on the Jewish people at all. Feel free to insert any religion you want. Also this is not absolute as many people do know why they are who they are.
Hi Vince! Thanks!
Often I forget to put "IMO" in my posts. But, of course, it's just my opinion. <disclaimer
You know, I couldn't agree with you more. I once faced the feeling of the death of wonder when I rejected any "god" and became an atheist. I asked, "What happens to wonder when we know everything about everything?" It didn't take long after that to start wondering again.
I think people are become safe in their beliefs because of the uncertainty of knowing our origins or what happens after death. I was a Christian as a child and early into my adult years (is 30 something early?
) and as a child, I recall feeling very safe. All the answers were there and I didn't question at the time. It really is a wonderful feeling, but as I aged, I discovered not everyone was a Christian. That really shook my worldview. I thought if it was true, everyone would know and believe it.Anyway...I ramble quite often.
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