Yet another explosion

[DC2]

Look, we'll never see this issue the same way...

But you're wrong and I'm right.
And you'll never shut up and I'll never shut up.

So how about I drive out to the Salton Sea and buy you a beer?

That's about a 2.5 hour drive for me, but I often go to Palm Desert.
That's where my wife's parents live.

That's only about 40 minutes away from you.
Maybe we can meet halfway.

 

[Bad Ninja]

The Note 7 thing is helping to raise awareness.
As did the hoverboard thing.

Heck, they even mentioned the Note 7 issue on my last airplane flight.

But in spite of all that, the average person still doesn't have a clue.
So I'm not sure what it's going to take.
:shrug:

Been saying that for years now.



It is up to the user to figure out they have a bogus generic rewrap.
I think we were all taught that in grade school.
[/SARCASM]

No one will ever "know it all".
"Common knowledge" is a fallacy.

I dont expect everyone to know battery safety.
I do expect adults to be smart enough to know batteries store power and maybe a few minutes of self education would be a good idea before using something called a "high discharge" cell.



Kinda like dad trying to assemble an elaborate toy on christmas without reading the instructions first, failing, and sueing the store.

Crazy town.


Man up.
Maturity is taking responsibility for ones actions even when one does something stupid.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Look, we'll never see this issue the same way...

But you're wrong and I'm right.
And you'll never shut up and I'll never shut up.

So how about I drive out to the Salton Sea and buy you a beer?

That's about a 2.5 hour drive for me, but I often go to Palm Desert.
That's where my wife's parents live.

That's only about 40 minutes away from you.
Maybe we can meet halfway.

Now that could work.
I "work" in Palm Desert. Im in that area almost daily.

 

[DC2]

Now that could work.
I "work" in Palm Desert. Im in that area almost daily.

Yeah, but you gotta bring your wife.
She's way cooler than you.


But seriously, I will let you know the next time I'm up that way.

 

[beckdg]

Pretty soon you will be right that this should be common knowledge.
But right now, you couldn't be more wrong.

When did Henry Ford implement the assembly line?

"Should" is out of place there.

This SHOULD and could easily be common knowledge right now.

But instead of educating the poor souls around you, you're empowering their blissful, potentially painful ignorance.

P.S.
It's getting harder and harder to see any justification in the excuses.

Tapatyped

 

[DC2]

But instead of educating the poor souls around you, you're empowering their blissful, potentially painful ignorance.

How am I supposed to educate some dude in Syracuse before he puts a battery in his pocket?

Although I will agree that it is getting harder to use ignorance as an excuse.
But there's still a long way to go before we're there.

 

[beckdg]

How am I supposed to educate the hypothetical dude in Syracuse who puts a battery in his pocket?

I refuse to respond with imaginary hypothesis to hypothetical questions.

Thanks for being part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

Tapatyped

 

[DC2]

Thanks for being part of the problem instead of part of the solution.

The logic of that statement escapes me.
I'll just leave it at that before this starts getting ugly.

 

[beckdg]

The logic of that escapes me.

Purposely of course.

We've already covered this.

You can educate people or you can make excuses for them.

My children are already better versed (at 9 and 12 years old) in dealing with these vastly more dangerous (according to some) batteries...

Then you're willing to teach your wife about the above batteries that are in her home and obviously a danger to it.

What is there to not understand?

Tapatyped

 

[DC2]

My wife does understand about batteries now.
The point is that she never did before I started vaping.

I'm going to wrap Christmas presents.

 

[beckdg]

The logic of that statement escapes me.
I'll just leave it at that before this starts getting ugly.

I'm serious man.

Have you at least told your wife what to do in the event that a cell goes into thermal runaway while on the charger?

You know, in the event you happen to have a lapse in judgment and walk away and forget about it.

Because once the reaction starts it doesn't stop until it's finished.

Anything less would be extremely disappointing from a man of your intelligence engaging in this conversation.

Tapatyped

 

[beckdg]

My wife does understand about batteries now.
The point is that she never did before I started vaping.

I'm going to wrap Christmas presents.

Then the question that you posed to me...

Why would you teach her...

Now becomes why did you teach her?

So then why did you teach her?



Tapatyped

 

[Bad Ninja]

Ive tried explaining.

We should have specific information available on every cell/battery at the tip of our fingers....wait..we do.

Then maybe written warnings on websites selling them...oh right,.. We already have that too.

Maybe online forums or facebook groups explaining battery safety specific to our use....

Nope.
If the minumum wage employee didn't properly liscense the customer as a safe operator before allowing them to buy a common product ( one is in your cellphone), the store owner is liable for misuse.

Bizzaro world thinking.

 

[beckdg]

Ive tried explaining.

We should have specific information available on every cell/battery at the tip of our fingers....wait..we do.

Then maybe written warnings on websites selling them...oh right,.. We already have that too.

Maybe online forums or facebook groups explaining battery safety specific to our use....

Nope.
If the minumum wage employee didn't properly liscense the customer as a safe operator before allowing them to buy a common product ( one is in your cellphone), the store owner is liable for misuse.

Bizzaro world thinking.

And PSA warnings issued by the mfr.

And labels directly on the battery warning not to dead short them.

Advanced user only...

Tapatyped

 

[Bad Ninja]

And PSA warnings issued by the mfr.

And labels directly on the battery warning not to dead short them.

Advanced user only...

Tapatyped

I have actually had discussions right here on ECF, where I was asked to clarify what makes one an "advanced user".
I am not joking.

Ive also noticed vapers who grenade their mechs are quite a bit younger than me.
Im jus sayin......

 

[Ed_C]

Bad, you keep conveniently ignoring the 60% of the world who does not have the internet, or even the 11.5% of the US that doesn't have it.
Number of Internet Users (2016) - Internet Live Stats
Internet Users by Country (2016) - Internet Live Stats

BTW, that would be ~36.7 million people (2014) without the internet in the US alone.

 

[beckdg]

Bad, you keep conveniently ignoring the 60% of the world who does not have the internet, or even the 11.5% of the US that doesn't have it.
Number of Internet Users (2016) - Internet Live Stats
Internet Users by Country (2016) - Internet Live Stats

BTW, that would be ~36.7 million people (2014) without the internet in the US alone.

What percentage of these people making the news with their blown batteries are sans interwebs?

Tapatyped

 

[Ed_C]

What percentage of these people making the news with their blown batteries are sans interwebs?

Tapatyped

Since they are part of the general population I would think it would be similar to the numbers for the general population. Other than that it would just be speculation.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Since they are part of the general population I would think it would be similar to the numbers for the general population. Other than that it would just be speculation.

Moving the goalposts?
No problem.


Do any of those people own a cellphone with a battery or a data plan? Or in a 3rd world country?

If not, why are they buying advanced mechanical mods with high discharge cells?
Are these underprivileged folk walking into a B&M and paying those prices?

It aint the elderly or poor folk who cant afford internet that is the problem.
Thats a strawman argument.

Are we now making excuses for grown ups making poor choices all around or just using batteries?

 

[beckdg]

Since they are part of the general population I would think it would be similar to the numbers for the general population. Other than that it would just be speculation.

I'll give you that.

But let's take a look at what we have here.

Media has brain washed the general public.

Print and T.V. media alike.

E-cigs are fairly modern technology.

We're pretty much almost solely talking about removable batteries in these recent discussions.

Most of which have been mech mods.

Nearly all of those (if not all) have been young men reporting their "explosions".

The demographic that's into testing ingesting or inhaling modern, electronic technology isn't exactly the same hermit who's only source of "reliable" information still comes from the paper boy or CNN and FOX news.

And trust me when I say...

I've seen it in my own family.

The folks who aren't interested in much more than online banking have to be pulled down from the rafters and forcefully convinced that the media is lying to them.

Now when I say I see it across the country, I mean it.

That's why big corporations do market research and market analyses.

They want to know their core demographic.

And the core vaping demographic ranges usually between technologically savvy to at the very least curious.

Otherwise, they wouldn't put a battery in their mouth and pull the trigger after the New York Times told them it was worse than cigarettes.

That and... I've yet to see Uumbutu from Zimbabwe make the news with his "exploded" e-cig. How about you?

Tapatyped