Yet another explosion

[SteveS45]

There is a thread on what we use to carry our vape gear and when I said I used a fanny pack others liked the idea and said they were going to be using them also. Although I don't have to worry about my mod's frying or venting batteries because I practice proper safe measures at all times.

 

[beckdg]

I did something that struck me funny a few days ago, has nothing to do with vaping but you'll forgive me.

I live next to a church that was converted to a beer garden a couple of years ago. The employees and customers sometimes make a lot of noise off the business premises and this can be a problem because I often have to be in bed by 8pm so I can be up at 3:55am for work. So I just bought a new cable modem with built in wifi and guest wifi. I enabled the guest wifi and leave it open with the SSID name on the screen capture below. It appears to be making a difference.

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[Jim_ MDP]

There is a thread on what we use to carry our vape gear and when I said I used a fanny pack others liked the idea and said they were going to be using them also. Although I don't have to worry about my MOD's frying or venting batteries because I practice proper safe measures at all times.

As an ex-skier I owned several. They've always been popular and they're almost indispensable for most normal days on the slopes.

But they get lumped in as some sort of "man purse" in the US so they've never been widely accepted. Too bad.

And of course... you can't use that name for them in the UK.

 

[Ed_C]

Yeah, I got shamed out of carrying my fanny pack. They are pretty handy and great for skiing. I still have one sitting on a shelf.

 

[Jim_ MDP]

Yeah I got shamed out of carrying my fanny pack. They are pretty handy and great for skiing. I still have one sitting on a shelf.

Of all of mine, a favorite was a truly stupendous example...

Full width but not imposing, tremendous capacity, a netted water bottle holster on each side, and the pièce de résistance... an internal 1.5L "bota bag" liner with external tap/spout.

Kept the white wine nicely chilled.

 

[SteveS45]

As an ex-skier I owned several. They've always been popular and they're almost indispensable for most normal days on the slopes.

But they get lumped in as some sort of "man purse" in the US so they've never been widely accepted. Too bad.

And of course... you can't use that name for them in the UK.

The one I have I used for mountain bike riding and due to getting rear ended by a young guy texting I had to give up riding my mountain bike but still had it. Great for carrying the bigger MOD's and extra tanks.

 

[daviedog]

Maxpedition 0403, standard issue for Homeland Security.
I had to pay for mine, And theirs..

 

[DC2]

That point being monetarily and currently politically moot: a battery by definition is stored energy. If released in a manner not by design the result will always be non intentional. Do your homework and be safe: mods tanks and batteries aren't toys and they aren't designed nor intended for folks who aren't into researching their proper use.

Rechargeable batteries are in many of the following products now...
--cordless handheld vacuums
--sonic toothbrushes
--electric razors
--electronic cigarettes
--ubiquitous laptop computers or tablets
--ubiquitous cell phones

They are not toys, although one could argue that electronic cigarettes ARE toys for some...
But the above certainly ARE designed for folks who aren't into researching their proper use...

And still, the general public has NO IDEA that battery safety is an issue.
How is that?

The explanations that ensue might be quite interesting.
But mostly they will be wrong.

Especially if you use the word "stupid" or "Darwin" in your explanation.
Then you are all kinds of wrong.

 

[Baditude]

When it comes to advanced mass marketed systems like cell phones and laptops and hybrid electric cars, the system designers of those products have taken appropriate steps to make them "safe" for uninformed end-user use. Purely mechanical unregulated ecig battery mods and uninformed end-users is a dicey proposition. Regulated mods claim to have protection circuitry, but what happens when those protections fail?

Most consumer battery operated devices are no where near the limit of the batterys operating limits. The high-end flashlights and ecigs and RCtoys come to mind as applications that really push the limits. With the RCtoys the device is physically far removed from the person so a mishap is inconsequential. With ecigs a mishap is literally in the persons face.

 

[DC2]

When it comes to advanced mass marketed systems like cell phones and laptops and hybrid electric cars, the system designers of those products have taken appropriate steps to make them "safe" for uninformed end-user use. Purely mechanical unregulated ecig battery mods and uninformed end-users is a dicey proposition. Regulated mods claim to have protection circuitry, but what happens when those protections fail?

Most consumer battery operated devices are no where near the limit of the batterys operating limits. The high-end flashlights and ecigs and RCtoys come to mind as applications that really push the limits. With the RCtoys the device is physically far removed from the person so a mishap is inconsequential. With ecigs a mishap is literally in the persons face.

When I said the explanations would be wrong...
I didn't expect you to answer.
LOL

So yeah, what he said.

 

[Lessifer]

I still wonder what the incident rate is compared to say, mobile phones. Mobile phones are definitely mass market and designed to be "safe" for uninformed end users, they even retail for hundreds of dollars, and yet they still have battery failures.

 

[DC2]

I still wonder what the incident rate is compared to say, mobile phones.

It would be nice to find a reliable source for such comparisons.
Not sure if one exists though?

 

[amoret]

I was looking for the cell phone rate last year, since I'd had one heat to too-hot-to-touch while staying in a nursing home doing inpatient physical therapy. I only recognized how bad this could be, and got the battery out immediately, because of hanging out around here.

Then right after that I was corresponding with an aide to one of my senators about the decision to not allow vape gear in carry on luggage, and found a ton of anecdotal information on cell phone fires, but no statistical reporting or tracking about either phones or vaping use.

 

[Lessifer]

There have been over 100 Galaxy Note 7's that have caught fire, and that's just the one model, though it is an extreme example. I don't think there are over 100 known e-cig related incidents over the past decade, though I don't know for sure.

 

[Mazinny]

this site claims they have the most comprehensive list of reported incidents anywhere :

http://ecigone.com/featured/e-cigarette-explosions-comprehensive-list/

 

[mongo74]

The majority of those incidents point to user error.

 

[Lessifer]

this site claims they have the most comprehensive list of reported incidents anywhere :

E-Cigarette Explosions: Comprehensive List - eCig One

204 isn't bad. Not that I'd want to be one of the 204 people affected.

31 involving spare batteries or batteries outside of the mod.
78 during charging, and I'm guessing a good portion of these were cigalikes and/or ego types
39 during transport, storage, or unknown circumstances.
56 during use.

I wonder how many of the 56 were improper faux-hybrid atomizer matches. I'm not taking the time to read through them all, and of the few I did read, they said things like "model unknown" though the author seems to have no qualms about speculating.

 

[beckdg]

Regulated mods claim to have protection circuitry, but what happens when those protections fail?

Mods are as inconsequential as you make them seem important in the grand scheme.

Especially when you couple the above with the below...

Your meticulous work is needed elsewhere.

They're installing this technology IN 18 WHEELERS.



ETA: AND states are tripping over themselves to be the first to pass legislation THAT ALLOWS this on the road way with your family with minimum R&D from startup companies.

Tapatyped

 

[Lessifer]

Mods are as inconsequential as you make them seem important in the grand scheme.

Especially when you couple the above with the below...

Your meticulous work is needed elsewhere.

They're installing this technology IN 18 WHEELERS.



ETA: AND states are tripping over themselves to be the first to pass legislation THAT ALLOWS this on the road way with your family with minimum R&D from startup companies.

Tapatyped

But according to the Simpsons, big rigs already drive themselves!

I have no doubt that self driving vehicles will someday be everywhere, but I think we've got a lot of infrastructure work to be done before that should happen. Not saying it won't happen sooner, just that it shouldn't, IMO.

 

[beckdg]

Uber’s Self-Driving Truck Makes Its First Delivery: 50,000 Budweisers

outfitted with $30,000 worth of hardware and software from San Francisco startup Otto

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