Stats were quoted on the news when I was in high school and an acquaintance of mine died that way.
Went down the wrong pipe during dinner and nobody knew the Heimlich maneuver.
Couldn't tell you where to look now.
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Went down the wrong pipe during dinner and nobody knew the Heimlich maneuver.
Couldn't tell you where to look now.
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When I started vaping I had no idea those batteries could be so dangerous. For one reason or another I had never come across that information. I could be stupid or smart, it wouldn't have made any difference. Luckily for me I joined ECF before I bought a mod that used 18650's, and I'm a compulsive consumer of information, so I was forewarned. Helped by the fact that I moved up the vaping ladder at glacial speed. A year on Egos before I got a next level mod. Sometimes people move faster and don't come across the relevant knowledge in time.
It bugs me when people equate lack of knowledge with stupidity. Like how can someone be so dumb that they attained adulthood and still didn't know how dangerous batteries can be? The end result might be the same. And either way it would still be my responsibility if my battery blew up. But not knowing isn't the same as being stupid.
There seems to be a tendency for some to say if you blow yourself up you must be an evolutionary weakling, so the system worked as it should. Almost gloating over it. But when that explosion happens someone gets hurt, and it blows back on all of us as well. We should think about why it happens and try to reduce the odds.
Alright.
I'll admit it.
I made it up.
BUT!
If you replace "their beverage" with "taking a bath", it is true.
Which hopefully has illustrated very well how ridiculous this can be and has been.
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I'll admit it.
I made it up.
BUT!
If you replace "their beverage" with "taking a bath", it is true.
Which hopefully has illustrated very well how ridiculous this can be and has been.
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I know when I first started vaping and even up till a few months ago, I refused to even buy an external battery mod. I've been vaping for 3 years and roughly 9 months. I was afraid to use them for the single reason of all I read on here was to KNOW BATTERY SAFETY!!!! So when I won a single 18650 mod, I decided to compile all the previously cast off knowledge of batteries and know what I'm doing. I still refuse to own an unregulated mod/mechanical or whatever because I know my limitations and regulated helps me feel safer. I'm forgetful, blonde, and sometimes careless (but not with my batteries!). I now know enough to keep myself from blowing off my face and I'm definitely paying more attention to a wider range of threads nowadays. 
I'm kind of proud of myself for expanding my horizon by quite a bit. I'm even getting my first dual battery mod (Smok Alien Kit) in a few days.
I'm kind of proud of myself for expanding my horizon by quite a bit. I'm even getting my first dual battery mod (Smok Alien Kit) in a few days.
The extra cells were most likely spares kept in the same pocket or pouch.
They sure weren't all in the mod, and were obviously very close.
If I had to take a guess? Unmarried batteries in an RX200, one went thermal after the last hit and it was dropped in a pocket/pouch with spares before the user realized a cell was going south.
A few seconds later,.....fireworks.
China can mass produce items alot cheaper than the US because their economic system isnt like ours.
From manufacturing to labor to shipping its an entirely different model with heavy government involvement and subsidized industry.
My wife understands that its unsafe to use any tool without fully understanding how to use it safely.
Doesnt yours?
I'm proud of you also.I know when I first started vaping and even up till a few months ago, I refused to even buy an external battery mod. I've been vaping for 3 years and roughly 9 months. I was afraid to use them for the single reason of all I read on here was to KNOW BATTERY SAFETY!!!! So when I won a single 18650 mod, I decided to compile all the previously cast off knowledge of batteries and know what I'm doing. I still refuse to own an unregulated mod/mechanical or whatever because I know my limitations and regulated helps me feel safer. I'm forgetful, blonde, and sometimes careless (but not with my batteries!). I now know enough to keep myself from blowing off my face and I'm definitely paying more attention to a wider range of threads nowadays.
I'm kind of proud of myself for expanding my horizon by quite a bit. I'm even getting my first dual battery mod (Smok Alien Kit) in a few days.
Statistically you're one of the elite now.
The ones that want to understand enough to get them through.
Congratulations!
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My point was that I wasn't sure that the loose batteries were the cause, as was stated by some on this thread. As you said if you "had to take a guess." In other words, it's all just speculation and without more information, I don't think it's fair to cast blame. But then, maybe that's just me.
Bugs me more when someone reverses that for sake of argument and twists the argument into one that can't be won if it's followed because it's set up as a loss instead of based on relevant to the topic facts with merit.
The smartest people I've ever known are also the dumbest.
I've known people with IQ's that rival that of Aristotle and far surpass Einstein whom in conversation beg the question of how they survived waking up in the morning due to their overwhelming ignorance of the intricacies of normal life and complete lack of common sense.
Even worse when their blinders are set well by the path of extreme higher education.
IME, this doesn't bode well for the "but my smart wife" argument presented by DC2.
Of course I know nothing of her. I'm sure she's a fine woman and more intelligent than he let's on. And this reflects not on her at all.
But for the argument, well... none of it means the dust from a frogs fart to me.
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So what exactly do you two want to happen? Do want the industry to include warning labels? I do too and plenty of manufactures do have warnings. The problem with this lawsuit is the government will eventually step in and say goodbye to 18650 mods. Why should I get screwed because one person didn't take 30 seconds to learn about battery safety?
I couldn't care less about warnings.
The people who need them most are the ones that will ignore them.
But if that's what it takes to get the gooberment monkey off our backs, I'm all for it.
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And what would you propose to replace the 18650's?? Pls don't say 26650 because those would take a finger or a hand off while so far we have seen mostly burns with the 18650's.
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I would just like to see more consistent education from venders. Maybe a fact sheet given out with each mod and battery. I also like that some venders give out battery boxes when batteries are sold.
...and before anyone says it, no that will not stop everyone from shoving a hand full of batteries in their pockets, but it's worth the effort for those it will stop.
If anyone should be sued, maybe the FDA who is making it difficult for venders to inform their customers.
As much as I don't like the FDA the only thing they have done is make it next to impossible for them to tell their customers that they can quit smoking with ecigs. Or that their health may be improved. This is because the FDA refuses to either do studies or invest any time in looking into studies that have already been done. It's the vendors who took it to the next level (because they are scared) that they can't show their customers how to use a product. At least, that is my understanding.
Where in my post do I specify any details about any battery?
I like batteries.
And use a ton of them in sizes, shapes, chemistries and ways that most people here don't and won't.
And my young children use batteries most here are scared of... unsupervised... because they're educated enough to do so.
Me... HP DPS 600PB How To Mod for charging power supply. - Electric Motors, ESCs, batteries, etc. @ URC Forums
Also me...
For a couple examples.
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oopps. Question was meant for post above yours. my bad....sorry. I will edit.
LOL
Forgiven.
Makes more sense now.
ETA: Don't hammer Ed and kbeam too hard. They have good intentions.
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