You Know That Can Kill You, Right?

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You guys realize there are no long-term studies on vaping, right? For all we know it might kill us. It hasn't been around long enough for the studies to be done.

I think it's probably better, and the info we have so far correlates, but the data just isn't in yet. Touting vaping like it's completely safe is a good way to make us all look like idiots.

I never touted to him that vaping was completely safe. I just found it hugely ironic that he was telling me that it was going to kill me while he had a cigarette dangling from his mouth. I mean, if we want to get technical about it, everything these days can kill us, including some of the food we put in our body. [shrugs]
 

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What I was suprised at is I had to go to a funeral today and I walked outside and started vaping. Five other people came out and started vaping too and then the smokers all wanted to ask us about vaping. Not once did anyone put down on our vaping and I let a few of the ladies try my strawberry custard vape and they just fell in love with it.
 

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Being alive is the cause of death. Nobody here gets out alive. But gosh, it sure is nice not hawking up loogies all the time! Not smelling like an ashtray all the time! Not looking like an idiot standing out in the burning heat/freezing cold/pouring rain sucking smoke and carcinogens as fast as we can puff 'em down! Not having yellow fingernails! Not having bleary windshields! Not burning holes in our clothes/furniture/carseats/fingers/lips/lungs! Not having to smell/empty/wash filthy ashtrays! Not having to go broke to support our habit! Not be treated like social pariahs!

I really don't think I need to go on...

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You guys realize there are no long-term studies on vaping, right? For all we know it might kill us. It hasn't been around long enough for the studies to be done.

I think it's probably better, and the info we have so far correlates, but the data just isn't in yet. Touting vaping like it's completely safe is a good way to make us all look like idiots.

Do you have an example on anything that's *completely* safe in our lifes? I don't. So no, we were not saying vaping is completely safe. Nothing is. But i'll be dammned if it *not* much safer than smoking...

"For all we know it might kill us", and "the data just isn't in yet"... well, I beg to differ.

PG has been studied since the 40's. It has been widely used in the medical field as a solvent on formulations to TREAT lung diseases. (Whenever the drug/medicine to be applied is not very soluble in water).

So, it is no great wonder that Hon Lik, as a PHARMACIST, resorted exactly to the medical field in order to find a solution for this problem: "What should be used to replace cigarette smoke on this 'mimicking-smoking' device I'm currently working on?"
The solution seems obvious: a thick vapour. OK. Produced from what? From a substance regarded as safe, already used on the medical field to be inhaled, and capable of dissolving some drugs - including nicotine.

So, there is already a lot of INDIRECT data. For all we know so far, it WON'T kill us.
"But, one thing is to a short treatment period with PG, another is to use everyday. Our lungs were not 'made' to inhale it everyday", someone told me recently. Well, guess what? Our lungs were not 'made' to inhale cigarette smoke everyday, either!

No short-term study on cigarette smoke would deem it as "safe", but we "need long-term studies to be sure". Nope. With cigarette smoke, it's more like like "we have short-term studies to show that it is bad", but we need long-term studies to "know just how bad it is".

With vaping, of course, we know at least it is safe to be used short-term. :)
 

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Do you have an example on anything that's *completely* safe in our lifes? I don't. So no, we were not saying vaping is completely safe. Nothing is. But i'll be dammned if it *not* much safer than smoking...

"For all we know it might kill us", and "the data just isn't in yet"... well, I beg to differ.

PG has been studied since the 40's. It has been widely used in the medical field as a solvent on formulations to TREAT lung diseases. (Whenever the drug/medicine to be applied is not very soluble in water).

So, it is no great wonder that Hon Lik, as a PHARMACIST, resorted exactly to the medical field in order to find a solution for this problem: "What should be used to replace cigarette smoke on this 'mimicking-smoking' device I'm currently working on?"
The solution seems obvious: a thick vapour. OK. Produced from what? From a substance regarded as safe, already used on the medical field to be inhaled, and capable of dissolving some drugs - including nicotine.

So, there is already a lot of INDIRECT data. For all we know so far, it WON'T kill us.
"But, one thing is to a short treatment period with PG, another is to use everyday. Our lungs were not 'made' to inhale it everyday", someone told me recently. Well, guess what? Our lungs were not 'made' to inhale cigarette smoke everyday, either!

No short-term study on cigarette smoke would deem it as "safe", but we "need long-term studies to be sure". Nope. With cigarette smoke, it's more like like "we have short-term studies to show that it is bad", but we need long-term studies to "know just how bad it is".

With vaping, of course, we know at least it is safe to be used short-term. :)


So logical, so perfectly obvious... I wish I could like this post about 10,000,000 times. :)

Andria
 
You guys just don't get it though. It may be better in the short term. 10 years down the line we might all develop some ....ed up disease from vaping.

You're all basing what you know on anecdotal evidence. This is exactly the kind of thing the scientific community has learned NOT to trust. That's why new drugs have to go through years and years of testing. Ecigs are barely in phase I but we've made them phase III.

You know all those "drug recall, come and get your money!" commercials you see on TV? Yeah, well those all passed the tests and still got released. Phase III is a mass release to the public. We skipped phase I and II.

And while nobody is exactly saying it's safe, the implicaiton is definitely there. If we're gonna discuss safety of vaping right now, we need to keep it in a pros/cons type of discussion. Not just "OMGZ, VAPING MAKES ME FEEL BETTER SO IT MUST BE BETTER!!!" Common logic doesn't always work.
 

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Based on knowing what's in the juice, a fair amount on the body's ability to clear even the lungs of toxins, and the relative harm done to the body in the process, (thank god for family in medical fields) I can comfortably say that no strange diseases or illnesses should come out of vaping, and suggest that vaping is less harmful than energy drinks are.
 

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You guys just don't get it though. It may be better in the short term. 10 years down the line we might all develop some ....ed up disease from vaping.

You're all basing what you know on anecdotal evidence. This is exactly the kind of thing the scientific community has learned NOT to trust. That's why new drugs have to go through years and years of testing. Ecigs are barely in phase I but we've made them phase III.

You know all those "drug recall, come and get your money!" commercials you see on TV? Yeah, well those all passed the tests and still got released. Phase III is a mass release to the public. We skipped phase I and II.

And while nobody is exactly saying it's safe, the implicaiton is definitely there. If we're gonna discuss safety of vaping right now, we need to keep it in a pros/cons type of discussion. Not just "OMGZ, VAPING MAKES ME FEEL BETTER SO IT MUST BE BETTER!!!" Common logic doesn't always work.

there will be health effects of course. people with diabetes,high blood pressure and cholesterol issues
may be susceptible to VG. i know people with diabetes that had to quit their jobs as cooks
because the fumes from the fryers were elevating their cholesterol.
there will be an issue or two but nothing remotely like COPD,cancer etc.. .
regards
mike
 

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You guys just don't get it though. It may be better in the short term. 10 years down the line we might all develop some ....ed up disease from vaping.

You're all basing what you know on anecdotal evidence. This is exactly the kind of thing the scientific community has learned NOT to trust. That's why new drugs have to go through years and years of testing. Ecigs are barely in phase I but we've made them phase III.

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The other side is offering even less. Well, they do offer ignoring the known things and making up others while perpetuating old lies already proven false.

Vape on brother.
 
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As a smoker who was completely unable to quit, I had already accepted that I was probably going to die a horrible death much like my father's from lung cancer, because of smoking, many years before what my natural end might otherwise have been -- my dad was only 66, which is only 4 yrs older than my husband is currently. To me, e-cigs are a last-minute stay of execution, and if they can a) drastically improve my quality of life, and my health, so that b) I regain some of the years that I previously thought I would never live to see, then that's good enough. I'm 53 yrs old, and I accepted some time ago that I am not immortal, and that my life will end at some point -- e-cigs offer me the opportunity to be cleaner, healthier, and less mucus-y (a wonderful thing for an asthmatic), and most likely, to have a rather longer life. That's a tremendous gift, to someone who had already seen and accepted the ultimate fact of a horrible and much too early death. Something will kill me, someday, and it might even be the 39 yrs of accumulated damage from smoking -- but stopping the smoking now stops any FURTHER smoking damage -- and the only thing that has ever stopped me from smoking are these wonderful vape stick thangs. :D

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You guys just don't get it though. It may be better in the short term. 10 years down the line we might all develop some ....ed up disease from vaping.

You're all basing what you know on anecdotal evidence. This is exactly the kind of thing the scientific community has learned NOT to trust. That's why new drugs have to go through years and years of testing. Ecigs are barely in phase I but we've made them phase III.

You know all those "drug recall, come and get your money!" commercials you see on TV? Yeah, well those all passed the tests and still got released. Phase III is a mass release to the public. We skipped phase I and II.

And while nobody is exactly saying it's safe, the implicaiton is definitely there. If we're gonna discuss safety of vaping right now, we need to keep it in a pros/cons type of discussion. Not just "OMGZ, VAPING MAKES ME FEEL BETTER SO IT MUST BE BETTER!!!" Common logic doesn't always work.

Well Kick, it appears you dont get it. This is not a thread about the safety of vaping, it is a thread about someone who was confronted on vaping being unsafe and how she dealt with the situation. Others chimed in with their experiences. Many of us only have our own experiences to go on and to most of us its a positive experience. Is vaping harmful, I donno but that is not the topic of this thread. Do we view vaping as being far more healthy and safer than smoking, yes. Thats what we promote when we discuss vaping with others which is what the OP did.

Many things we do in our lives we know have risk. Many of us smoked for years and we all know smoking kills, yet we still did it and parts of it we loved. Same with vaping. Are there risk? Probably so because we are still inhaling a substance into our lung. The main point is I feel great after dropping the smokes and vaping is the reason. Thats what I tell people and if they tell me its unsafe I will tell them that I view it as being far safer than cigarettes. I dont need tons of medical studies to know that.
 

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As a smoker who was completely unable to quit, I had already accepted that I was probably going to die a horrible death much like my father's from lung cancer, because of smoking, many years before what my natural end might otherwise have been -- my dad was only 66, which is only 4 yrs older than my husband is currently. To me, e-cigs are a last-minute stay of execution, and if they can a) drastically improve my quality of life, and my health, so that b) I regain some of the years that I previously thought I would never live to see, then that's good enough. I'm 53 yrs old, and I accepted some time ago that I am not immortal, and that my life will end at some point -- e-cigs offer me the opportunity to be cleaner, healthier, and less mucus-y (a wonderful thing for an asthmatic), and most likely, to have a rather longer life. That's a tremendous gift, to someone who had already seen and accepted the ultimate fact of a horrible and much too early death. Something will kill me, someday, and it might even be the 39 yrs of accumulated damage from smoking -- but stopping the smoking now stops any FURTHER smoking damage -- and the only thing that has ever stopped me from smoking are these wonderful vape stick thangs. :D

Andria

I know how you feel Andria, for years I told the misses that one day I wont be around for men in my family dont make it out of the early 60's. I always took it for granted that I would go before she does but last week I was talking with my mom and as she said, now that I quit smoking I probably will live longer than my dad or grandpa did. They both smoked their whole lives and died in their mid to early 60's. Im 49 and by the time I am 60 now that I dont smoke I am sure my lungs and cardiovascular system will be in far better shape than if I kept on smoking and I owe this to vaping. It is the only way I could quit.

Just after almost three months of not smoking people are telling me I look a lot better. Just yesterday I had someone who hasnt seen me since I quit smoking tell me my skin even looks better, think they said it looked brighter than when I smoked. I dont need a bunch of medical studies to tell me how much better vaping is over smoking, Im living proof of it.
 

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I know how you feel Andria, for years I told the misses that one day I wont be around for men in my family dont make it out of the early 60's. I always took it for granted that I would go before she does but last week I was talking with my mom and as she said, now that I quit smoking I probably will live longer than my dad or grandpa did. They both smoked their whole lives and died in their mid to early 60's. Im 49 and by the time I am 60 now that I dont smoke I am sure my lungs and cardiovascular system will be in far better shape than if I kept on smoking and I owe this to vaping. It is the only way I could quit.

Just after almost three months of not smoking people are telling me I look a lot better. Just yesterday I had someone who hasnt seen me since I quit smoking tell me my skin even looks better, think they said it looked brighter than when I smoked. I dont need a bunch of medical studies to tell me how much better vaping is over smoking, Im living proof of it.

Same here. I've had my problems with breathing, since starting this 2nd-time-around, but I finally figured out it was the high-VG from the WTA; now that I've knocked that back with a heavy dose of PG, my breathing is once again clearing up -- I'm still having some trouble in the morning when I first wake, but compared to the hours of coughing-up I endured when I smoked, this really isn't bad, and it promises to improve still further, now that I've reduced the VG proportion -- my 1st time around, by the time I was 3 months smoke-free, I barely needed my inhaler at all. This time, now that I've reduced the VG, maybe by the time I hit 4 months smoke-free, my breathing will be clear, and I won't need the inhaler so much.

Best of all, I seem to have finally kicked that morning-crave thing right in the ....; when I smoked, I usually had to wait about a half-hour after waking before I could smoke, or the coughing was horrible. My 1st time around, back in Feb/March, that first cigarette of the day was the hardest one for me to finally lay aside, and I finally only beat it by starting to vape the very minute my feet hit the floor. Now, I've gone back to waiting 20-30 mins after waking, before I start to vape, and the morning-crave hasn't troubled me at all -- thank you, WTA! I just have to make sure that I consume the WTA in a high-PG mix rather than the high-VG that it comes in, from aroma.

Sure, there ARE health concerns with vaping, as I've had to wrestle with, with my asthma and tendency to dehydration, almost since I first started vaping, and I've had to make some changes in my overall regimen. But compared to smoking? This is infinitely better.

Andria
 

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Just after almost three months of not smoking people are telling me I look a lot better. Just yesterday I had someone who hasnt seen me since I quit smoking tell me my skin even looks better, think they said it looked brighter than when I smoked. I dont need a bunch of medical studies to tell me how much better vaping is over smoking, Im living proof of it.
Have you noticed your hair growing faster?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo.../44293-wonder-why-my-hair-growing-faster.html

Or your fingernails?
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-vaping-discussion/187854-nails-growing-faster.html

These are side effects of vaping that I really hate.
Now I have to cut my hair and fingernails far more often.

How about mosquitos, or yellow jackets/meat bees...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-vaping-discussion/306815-side-effect-vaping.html
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-vaping-discussion/480703-vaping-bees.html
 

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Geez... I can only afford a haircut and color twice a year! I hope my hair isn't growing faster! And my nails are already practically bionic speedfreaks... I just thought I was *noticing* them growing faster, because now that I have to deal with all these itty bitty parts, they were in the way more! :facepalm:

Haven't noticed much problem with insects, but of course, now that I don't smoke, I don't live half my life on the front porch. :D I guess I won't really know about that until I start next year's gardening efforts in the late winter/early spring.

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