Utterly moronic things people believe about PVs

[my4jewels]

JTman, Yeah, Gramma likes her e cig, she likes it very much, lol.

Well, my 2nd daughter(never smoked) lives 1000 miles away, and she and her family(hubby and 6 great kids) are coming to stay with us for 2 weeks in July. Since I am a chain vaper, and enjoy puffing on my PV all day, I am going to mix my fave flavor in 0 nic (with a couple drops of pga for throat hit) to vape around the kids, and explain to her that it has NOTHING in common with a cigarette. I will gather her children around and explain to them that Gramma doesn't smoke cigarettes anymore, but I like to do this instead now, and it won't give me cancer or emphesema, and it doesn't smell bad. When I am out of sight, I'l vape my regular stuff. I can't wait to see them, and we will have a wonderful visit.

They really do love us, and we have a wonderful relationship with all of our grown kids, but we will not give them control of our vaping. However, we are willing to compromise a bit, because we do love them and know that they are acting out of concern. Gramma and Grampa vape, and we have no plans to quit, like it or not...

 

[JTman]

I'm glad to hear of your strong family bonds! My family has always been kind of aloof and everyone kind of keeps to themselves. My wife, on the other hand, has a very close-knit family. I never realized the type of family bonds that people could have until my wife and I got married and I became part of her family. It really is great to be close to those who you love, even if they dont exactly approve of everything it is that you do.

 

[fray]

I don't vape around my kids because I am still a little paranoid about that "what if" feeling.

Its the same reason I wash the bagged salad mix from the grocery store. It says it is already washed but what if?

There is likely absolutely no danger from 2nd hand vaping, but it's not a big deal to go to the other room or outside.

 

[my4jewels]

This is why I will vape 0 nic juice when the grandchildren are around. I really see no harm in that. Like I said, I don't mind compromising a bit because I respect my daughter, and I will expect the same respect back from her for my decisions.

I think that most(not all) of the self-righteousness we see is the result of lack of education. Most folks haven't done the research we did. Most of us read all that we could and asked tons of questions before we started vaping. The general public has only heard propaganda for the most part. I realize nothing is for certain, but I think we all agree that it's way more healthy, possibly even harmless compared to smoking analogs.

I don't vape around my kids because I am still a little paranoid about that "what if" feeling.

Its the same reason I wash the bagged salad mix from the grocery store. It says it is already washed but what if?

There is likely absolutely no danger from 2nd hand vaping, but it's not a big deal to go to the other room or outside.

 

[MagnusEunson]

I heard a new one today from the at the local 24/7 breakfast cafe....

"Don't those things use catalytic converters because they're dangerous or something?"

*blinks*

I couldn't speak. I just could not manage a word. -Magnus

 

[expat]

I heard a new one today from the at the local 24/7 breakfast cafe....

"Don't those things use catalytic converters because they're dangerous or something?"

*blinks*

I couldn't speak. I just could not manage a word. -Magnus

Wow. lol..that is a new one.

 

[rainkeltoia]

LMAO wow... someone who knows nothing about that auto part for sure.... I would be speechless too. That's a good one.

 

[jtpjc]

"Sir, are you SMOKING!?"

"Nah, just letting off some steam."

 

[JTman]

"Sir, are you SMOKING!?"

"Nah, just letting off some steam."

HAHAHA! I love it! I'll have to remember that one.

 

[AttyPops]

There may be something to the pneumonia thing. And it isn't the water vapor. Not sure if I should mention it, but it's been discussed 20 times in this thread so....here goes.

It's the same issue people have with anti-bacterial soaps, and antibiotics. Both are good things. Overuse... well........

PG is anti-bacterial. It may help keep pneumonia away. OTOH.. if a PG resistant strain of bacteria is around and since you vape, you have fewer of the good bacteria to crowd out the bad... it could allow PG resistant strains of bacteria or virus to more easily invade. No one said vaping is 100% safe!

Definitely not sure on this. Still probably better than what tobacco did to you. Food for thought.

 

[fray]

There may be something to the pneumonia thing. And it isn't the water vapor. Not sure if I should mention it, but it's been discussed 20 times in this thread so....here goes.

It's the same issue people have with anti-bacterial soaps, and antibiotics. Both are good things. Overuse... well........

PG is anti-bacterial. It may help keep pneumonia away. OTOH.. if a PG resistant strain of bacteria is around and since you vape, you have fewer of the good bacteria to crowd out the bad... it could allow PG resistant strains of bacteria or virus to more easily invade. No one said vaping is 100% safe!

Definitely not sure on this. Still probably better than what tobacco did to you. Food for thought.

I never considered this but seems plausible. Is there a lot of "good" bacteria in our respiratory tract and lungs?

 

[AttyPops]

I would assume so.... IDK for sure..... just like digestive tract, skin, etc. We breath a lot and probably get a lot of "good" bacteria all the time tho. Who knows. But hey, I just didn't want to get overly dismissive. We are inhaling stuff other than nature's air. I hope it works out to be largely a non-issue. Maybe even beneficial. Who knows. Just food for thought. Maybe some of the medical types will chime in.

I noticed a lot of "I .....-slapped her" and other comments. I know it's probably not the water itself. And I don't really mean to pick on the one post (too lazy to go back thru them)... But, at least we have to acknowledge that we don't have 20 years of data yet. Here's hoping it all works for the best. I think it will. Gotta be better than the stinkies. There must be medical data on pg inhalation.

Who knows? My post could be one of the "utterly moronic things". lol.

 

[WomanOfHeart]

Your body has white blood cells to help fight off infections. Your lungs have cilia (hair like organisms) that wave back and forth to help clear out your lungs. These cilia get paralyzed when you smoke cigarettes and part of the reason why it's more difficult for smokers to fight of pneumonia. When some of us switch to vaping, we get the "quitters cough." That's because the cilia aren't paralyzed anymore and start working again. There is medical data on PG inhalation, but the study was done in the '40s. I believe that it's still relevant today. I'll have to find the link for you guys.

There are some good bacteria, mostly found in the digestive tract, and have no real effect on the respiratory system.

AttyPops hit on a subject that I can appreciate; the overuse of antibacterial agents. Bacteria can develop into anti-biotic resistant strains. This is from the overuse of antibiotics. Antibacterial soaps have their place, but I believe that we're being conditioned as a society to become germaphobes. The more we use antibacterial soaps, the more the bacteria changes until our bodies no longer have the built up immune system to fight them. What's the best way for a parent to make sure they're kids don't get sick? Let 'em go play in the dirt.

I think that's good enough for today. The former paramedic and respiratory therapy tech has spoken.

 

[oettinger]

Really now?
I hate naysayers just as much as the next vaper, but...
I recommend to anyone choosing to make quips and smart remarks in attempt to "stick up for ecigs" actually know what they're talking about so that they don't make themselves look ignorant or accidentally prove the naysayer's points....

My dentist told me that nicotine gum was the worst thing in the WORLD for your teeth. I had my first cavity at age 37, when he looked in my mouth he asked if I was chewing nicotine gum... When I asked why he asked me that he told me it was obvious by the amount of damage on my teeth. In 6 months I went from perfect teeth to 3 cavities between checkups.

I am NOT ignorant, and believe what a dental professional tells me as opposed to whoever you get your information from.

http://whyquit.com/pr/120108.html <-- longterm nicotine gum creates loss of teeth and hair.
http://www.medicinenet.com/nicotine_gum/page2.htm <-- side effects tooth decay and jaw damage

 

[oettinger]

I would assume so.... IDK for sure..... just like digestive tract, skin, etc. We breath a lot and probably get a lot of "good" bacteria all the time tho. Who knows. But hey, I just didn't want to get overly dismissive. We are inhaling stuff other than nature's air. I hope it works out to be largely a non-issue. Maybe even beneficial. Who knows. Just food for thought. Maybe some of the medical types will chime in.

I noticed a lot of "I .....-slapped her" and other comments. I know it's probably not the water itself. And I don't really mean to pick on the one post (too lazy to go back thru them)... But, at least we have to acknowledge that we don't have 20 years of data yet. Here's hoping it all works for the best. I think it will. Gotta be better than the stinkies. There must be medical data on pg inhalation.

Who knows? My post could be one of the "utterly moronic things". lol.

I think what a lot of people are referring to is the bodies natural ability to fight infection by not being exposed to germs. The use of antibacterials by adults has no effect until a more resilient strain is evolved. The problem is when we are so careful to make our KIDS use antibacterial everything so that they do not build a proper immunity to common germs and bacteria. This has been studied and seems to be a big cause for the explosion of allergies and sickness in our coming generations.

 

[Bozzlite]

Have you tried dripping?

 

[AttyPops]

....Your lungs have cilia (hair like organisms) that wave back and forth to help clear out your lungs...

Used to. 30 yrs of smoking. I hope my last two or three cilia are still working....

So the good bacteria in the lungs don't play a major role? That's actually good for vapers. BTW...I'm glad e-juice is anti-bacterial for a lot of reasons (shipping/storage being the main one).

Thanks for the info WOH and others.

And on topic.... I haven't gotten any flack yet. Mostly questions. No flack. Funny. I don't vape where I wouldn't smoke tho.

 

[Critter Man]

The entire digestive tract and every part of your body that touches air (including lung tissue) has it's own microscopic ecosystem with billions of little bacteria happily living their lives. If you haven't made peace with that, I'm sorry for you.

PG doesn't so much kill bacteria as slow down the reproduction rate a bit. It would slow down a lung infection, but not enough to be considered effective. Still, you'd be no more likely to develop pneumonia due to vaping by itself.

 

[Apocalypse*Meow]

Your body has white blood cells to help fight off infections. Your lungs have cilia (hair like organisms) that wave back and forth to help clear out your lungs. These cilia get paralyzed when you smoke cigarettes and part of the reason why it's more difficult for smokers to fight of pneumonia. When some of us switch to vaping, we get the "quitters cough." That's because the cilia aren't paralyzed anymore and start working again. There is medical data on PG inhalation, but the study was done in the '40s. I believe that it's still relevant today. I'll have to find the link for you guys.

There are some good bacteria, mostly found in the digestive tract, and have no real effect on the respiratory system.

AttyPops hit on a subject that I can appreciate; the overuse of antibacterial agents. Bacteria can develop into anti-biotic resistant strains. This is from the overuse of antibiotics. Antibacterial soaps have their place, but I believe that we're being conditioned as a society to become germaphobes. The more we use antibacterial soaps, the more the bacteria changes until our bodies no longer have the built up immune system to fight them. What's the best way for a parent to make sure they're kids don't get sick? Let 'em go play in the dirt.

I think that's good enough for today. The former paramedic and respiratory therapy tech has spoken.

I just have to say- I love you for the correct use of apostrophe. </grammar nerd moment>

 

[StormFinch]

I think what a lot of people are referring to is the bodies natural ability to fight infection by not being exposed to germs. The use of antibacterials by adults has no effect until a more resilient strain is evolved. The problem is when we are so careful to make our KIDS use antibacterial everything so that they do not build a proper immunity to common germs and bacteria. This has been studied and seems to be a big cause for the explosion of allergies and sickness in our coming generations.

The problem is, antibacterials play a major role in evolving more resilient strains. No antibacterial is 100% effective in killing off 100% of the bacteria. That .1% is exposed and then develops a resistance to that particular antibacterial and possibly other related types. CDC - Antibacterial Household Products: Cause for Concern