Your BASE in Relation to your NicJuice and Flavor

[jzr1024]

ok...VG adds vapor but, compromises flavor etc. etc. etc.

here is my test bed to start:

• 4ml batch @ 25% flavor//27mg
• 2ml 54mg 50%
• 1ml Base (PG or VG or 50/50 what ever anyone uses) 25%
• 1ml Flavor (Seedmans Commercial and or Honey for this test) 25%

my initial test batches were just a total of 17 drops (1ml with pipette) and i am hitting and missing with them for flavor and TH.

concerning Vapor.....and Flavor.....

• since my Nic juice is PG, will a 80%PG 20%VG Base compromise Vapor and "Vapeability"?
• Will it make that 20%VG useless?
• Would a 80%VG 20%PG Base end up totally masking the flavor?

Seedmans.....

• seems weak, 25% seems to be the recommendation for "thin" flavorings.

~jeff

 

[P-Funk]

I have been using about 80% VG, 20% water. The VG definitely has a distinctive flavor. I have been masking it with extra flavor drops.

So far I have only used FlavourArt flavorings. They are very strong, unlike the Seedmans you mention. They come out of the bottles in tiny drops, and it takes me between 5 and 20 drops to flavor a whole 15ml bottle of nic juice, depending on the flavor.

Some flavors, like vanilla and caramel, incorporate the distinctive VG flavor into themselves nicely. For these I use less flavoring.

I am about 10 days into DIY and I have had mixed results (heh.)

Like anything else it takes experience and patience to get it right.

Keep trying new things until you find something that works!

 

[jzr1024]

glad you mentioned FArt......i am headed in that direction with DIY flavors.

are you using VG and water as your base along with PG nic juice or are you using VG nic juice?

~jeff

 

[P-Funk]

I use 100% VG nic juice.


Disclaimer:
I can only get it to work properly with unfilled blank V4L cartomizers some of the time, so I haven't figured it out completely yet either. For some reason my fresh cartos die quick deaths a large portion of the time. They also work perfectly other times. For now I am blaming my carto-filling methodology, but until I figure it out for sure I must conceed that my juice could be causing my problems.

Glean what you can from my information, but don't take what I say as gospel! I am still learning just like you.

 

[jzr1024]

yeah i'd say that's too much VG. vaping it at 5v or higher should work well with it.

~jeff

 

[P-Funk]

The other DIYers seem to think that 20% water to 80% VG should work well.

I just followed the advice of some members on the V4L forum and they helped me to sucessfully fill a blank carto without destroying it.

Move me 1 tick in the direction of "my juice is fine but I need to learn how to fill blank cartomizers."

 

[jzr1024]

i would fill the premo V4L cartos from the mouth piece end since the rubber grommet is no longer there like it was with the original cartos. that grommet would catch just a little bit of juice you would end up getting in your mouth if you didn't do the "spin" or your spin was unsuccessful.

the condom (swimmie) fill is the best way. don't even worry about trying to pop the mouthpiece on the premo cartos. like i said in my technical errata....if you get a burnt taste....toss it....it's history. there is NO resurrecting a burnt premo carto.

~jeff

 

[Kurt]

If you are starting with 54 mg unflavored for DIY, I strongly advise using a syringe rather than drops for volume measuring. Drop sizes vary with liquid viscosity, and what you think is 27 mg might be a lot more or a lot less concentrated than what you think. Best to be accurate, and a syringe makes it so much easier than all those drops.

 

[garyd]

If you are starting with 54 mg unflavored for DIY, I strongly advise using a syringe rather than drops for volume measuring. Drop sizes vary with liquid viscosity, and what you think is 27 mg might be a lot more or a lot less concentrated than what you think. Best to be accurate, and a syringe makes it so much easier than all those drops.

I agree more accurate and faster!

 

[Kurt]

Safer too, compared to those dreadful glass droppers. Hate those things. They get juice all over.

One thing is with VG itself, a 17 gauge is about the smallest needle you can use. Anything smaller and its hard to draw the VG into the barrel.

 

[Switched]

I posted this on a nother forum but I didn't feel like re-typing it so I cut and paste here.

There is a simpler calculator out there, for basic needs. I have 'em all. And although Dan's spreadsheet is useful, it scares people away with it's complexity. Dan is a math wizzard and fully understands his creation, therefore can't talk you through it without any problem, untilk it comes time for you to actually use it, and you go what was that again?

This one is a little more refined but less confusing. Also there is Easy Juice Software that someone created on the ECF forum, similar to what this one is, but allows you to keep your own data base of recipes.

I believe in keeping things simple. I have made several recipes and did not need to get fancy. The calc is good if you start off with a high nic content juice and want it reduced/and flavoured to a specific nic. but that gets complicated and unnecessary IMHO.

I mix at a 75/25 and 80/20 ratio of PG to VG. That is my base (foundation) to build from.

So I take my high nic juice and plug in the mg % of starting nic (PG), the mg of target nic, and the % of VG I want. It gives me a recipe of how much PG and VG I need to add. Flavouring? Enter zero %.

In my case I take 50mg PG and reduce it to 24mg 75/25. That is my base, for all recipes. To make 30mls the recipe would look like this:

14.4ml @50mg PG base juice
8.1ml of PG
7.5ml VG
This renders 30ml @ 24mg. You can round off the 14.4 to 14.5 and reduce the 8.1 VG to 8. Those #s are insignificant really, with the exception of adding just a touch more nicotine than required, which is nothing because you are going to loose some when flavouring.

Now from that base.

In a 3ml bottle fill it to just below the neck and add flavouring 1 drop at a time, and tasting/dripping it on a "clean" atty, until you get the flavour you want. Keep track of the amount of drops. That is your recipe.

Soooooo,

To make 30 mls of recipe X, and you used 4 drops of flavour Y in a 3ml bottle, you simply use your base and add 40 drops of flavour Y, and Woila. You have 30 mls of Y juice at 24mg. Couldn't be any simpler than that.

This method your nic content will remain pretty much on an even keel, regardless of the recipe. I have seen recipes listed like 642 drops of, and 265 drops of. Woa! I am not about to sit there and count drops. I like dealing with whole #s and mix everything in a 10ml syringe.

doing the 3ml step first is that if you screw up like I did, you only wasted 3ml of juice. I created a coffee/chocolate recipe that tasted like mud, not in the beginning but the after taste was absolutely putrid.

BTW most flavouring require 1-2 drops of flavour for 5-6 ml juice, so a little goes a long way.

Hope this helped.

 

[Kurt]

I have several versions of Dan's speadsheet, and the newer ones do confuse me a bit. I generally use version 8. It has just enough cells to give me what I need for a simple DIY. If you PM him, he will probably give you earlier versions if you want to check them out.

Your method looks on the surface sound, but I have not worked through your math. If it works for you, and others can use it too, that's great! Dan's spread sheet and a syringe keep me from having to think at all to make a quick juice.