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You can turn off notifications, Scott. I get exactly zero (and I watch a lot of vids, mostly non-vape).
Of course, that would assume you don't want because of the notifications, which may be irrelevant.
I also don't really want a YT to have a record of every vid I watch to be used to alter the vid list on the home page, or for Google to understand my "likes" for advertising purposes. I also run a browser add-on that auto deletes all cookies as soon as I close a browser tab.
I have no idea. I get some as production units and some as samples. Some I buy and find impressive and just want to share. It's difficult for me to try to analyze the whole who is motivated by what mess and who's playing games etc. I will say this, I see some wild extrapolations within this thread that are quite amazing. Again, i'm reticent to evaluate the motivation behind those assertions but it adds some rather charged texture to the conversation, lol. These are simple little 45 minute videos not Hitchhikers Guide #42 for heaven's sake.
Regardless, thanks for the conversation.
I will watch youtube reviews when I need information on a product, nothing more or less. A lot of the time, I am fast forwarding through much of it. I prefer to get my feedback from persons who have purchased the device to use, and often times ONE thread on a product on ECF is more helpful than a review.
I have occasionally done a review on a product I've won if I think it legitimately deserves it and etc.
I've been contacted here and there to do reviews and I always say no as a) there are FAR more competent and qualified folks than me to do reviews of gear, I don't like being beholden to the manufacturer, and it makes vaping feel like "work" to me, so I say no and often manufacturers are surprised I guess, but it's a crowded market and I guess it's hard to say no to free gear, but I don't want to be part of the review "problem" I simply don't.
I just need someone to direct me to the "hot chick" youtube review section of the vaping industry, I get so tired of watching fat, bearded dudes in their garages!
LOL I kid and perhaps I am part of the problem by refusing to do reviews, (again, I kid) but MAN nothing much sounds more stressful for me than having to attempt to like, operate a new device smoothly and competently while the camera plays, I mean no one needs to watch 45 minutes of, "Okay, I am attempting to wrap and install coil number three," etc.
I certainly don't begrudge the folks who have become successful in reviewing, who get sent everything, and maybe even paid. To me, reviewing and building a following is Hard Work and whether they are truly "independent" reviewers or not (most of them aren't) they are putting in the work and etc, and I do like having a "visible tutorial" so to speak, reviews DO have use, overall and in general.
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I have occasionally done a review on a product I've won if I think it legitimately deserves it and etc.
I've been contacted here and there to do reviews and I always say no as a) there are FAR more competent and qualified folks than me to do reviews of gear, I don't like being beholden to the manufacturer, and it makes vaping feel like "work" to me, so I say no and often manufacturers are surprised I guess, but it's a crowded market and I guess it's hard to say no to free gear, but I don't want to be part of the review "problem" I simply don't.
I just need someone to direct me to the "hot chick" youtube review section of the vaping industry, I get so tired of watching fat, bearded dudes in their garages!
LOL I kid and perhaps I am part of the problem by refusing to do reviews, (again, I kid) but MAN nothing much sounds more stressful for me than having to attempt to like, operate a new device smoothly and competently while the camera plays, I mean no one needs to watch 45 minutes of, "Okay, I am attempting to wrap and install coil number three," etc.I certainly don't begrudge the folks who have become successful in reviewing, who get sent everything, and maybe even paid. To me, reviewing and building a following is Hard Work and whether they are truly "independent" reviewers or not (most of them aren't) they are putting in the work and etc, and I do like having a "visible tutorial" so to speak, reviews DO have use, overall and in general.
Anna
I will watch youtube reviews when I need information on a product, nothing more or less. A lot of the time, I am fast forwarding through much of it. I prefer to get my feedback from persons who have purchased the device to use, and often times ONE thread on a product on ECF is more helpful than a review.
I have occasionally done a review on a product I've won if I think it legitimately deserves it and etc.
I've been contacted here and there to do reviews and I always say no as a) there are FAR more competent and qualified folks than me to do reviews of gear, I don't like being beholden to the manufacturer, and it makes vaping feel like "work" to me, so I say no and often manufacturers are surprised I guess, but it's a crowded market and I guess it's hard to say no to free gear, but I don't want to be part of the review "problem" I simply don't.
I just need someone to direct me to the "hot chick" youtube review section of the vaping industry, I get so tired of watching fat, bearded dudes in their garages!
I certainly don't begrudge the folks who have become successful in reviewing, who get sent everything, and maybe even paid. To me, reviewing and building a following is Hard Work and whether they are truly "independent" reviewers or not (most of them aren't) they are putting in the work and etc, and I do like having a "visible tutorial" so to speak, reviews DO have use, overall and in general.
Anna
You have the knowledge and wisdom to put out a fine review. Having said that, if you perceive it as too much work that's quite valid. To do a thorough review, there is a lot of work involved and there are many easier quicker ways to earn enough money to buy one. Just for the record, if you did one, I would tune in as your posts impress me. Video or written, I don't care. It's content that I look for.
I may have found the root of the amazing assertions contained within this thread. It's a full moon tonight. Ahhhhooooooooo!
Penny's just dropped - been watching for ages.
Good stuff, nicely done. Interesting paraphernalia too!
YouTube video 1.39 minutes in length then? LOL,I realize that but frankly the very notion of "filming" intimidates me let alone "editing."
Plus, I'm incapable of much but blunt honesty one reason I have yet to review the "Innoken Lift" which is so far, the only Innoken product I have disliked which would have to begin, "I would not give this away even unless under very specific circumstances such as someone owned 123 of them for some reason and loved them, in fact I am saving mine for the Vaping Fail of Oddities Museum which I anticipate might happen some time in the future in which case THEY can have it." That just seems to be a terrible way to begin. I think I'm okay and to be honest (yes Scott P I think it was you that mentioned it) I win more things than many YouTube reviewers ever GET.
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Okay I'm curious - what amazing assertions have you found?
My feeling ? I'm mostly neutral, they're usefull if i want to learn about a specific device/rda
But i'll never trust a reviewer's opinion, as it's 100% bias and i rather make my own opinion about a device than buy because someone told me it was good.
The 1 guy i mostly watch on youtube though is jay, don't know why or how but his videos are hilarious to me, though he's not afraid to admit a device is .... when it is .
But i'll never trust a reviewer's opinion, as it's 100% bias and i rather make my own opinion about a device than buy because someone told me it was good.
The 1 guy i mostly watch on youtube though is jay, don't know why or how but his videos are hilarious to me, though he's not afraid to admit a device is .... when it is .
In all honesty, I trust none of the YouTube reviewers. They are good for advertising new products, and close up looks at something so I can judge for myself. But other than that they are just for entertainment or a good way to waste some time. I use the same mindset as if I were listening to a used car salesmen.
Even the highly regarded mod testing of djlsb is pretty invalid on a lot of products since he doesn't update the results when there is a new firmware update to a product. I fully understand why he won't do it as that would be a huge task to take on and overly time consuming, but it does make his test results invalid for those products, so it is useless information and misleading in those cases. Though it is still valid info for those companies that never update or fix their existing devices.
Even the highly regarded mod testing of djlsb is pretty invalid on a lot of products since he doesn't update the results when there is a new firmware update to a product. I fully understand why he won't do it as that would be a huge task to take on and overly time consuming, but it does make his test results invalid for those products, so it is useless information and misleading in those cases. Though it is still valid info for those companies that never update or fix their existing devices.
Vaporfi has a mighty 1,487 subscribers.
This tells us all we need to know.
I think 15 of them and a cat called Steve actually believe the self-promotional garbage that was the start of an unsustainable Youtube presence.
Smok has TEN TIMES that amount. Joyetech about 12 times.
I am friendly with some guys who have 489,000.... (not e-cigs) to put this into comparison.
Basically, Youtube is not much of a gift as most people see through the videos as just adverts.
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If you create a video on purpose to see people get ripped off... I would remove you from Youtube and jettison you off to Mars. Luckily, I am not the President and I can't afford one-way tickets to space.
This tells us all we need to know.
I think 15 of them and a cat called Steve actually believe the self-promotional garbage that was the start of an unsustainable Youtube presence.
Smok has TEN TIMES that amount. Joyetech about 12 times.
I am friendly with some guys who have 489,000.... (not e-cigs) to put this into comparison.
Basically, Youtube is not much of a gift as most people see through the videos as just adverts.
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If you create a video on purpose to see people get ripped off... I would remove you from Youtube and jettison you off to Mars. Luckily, I am not the President and I can't afford one-way tickets to space.
I trust the regular members and users at ECF. I have never found the need to follow any you tubers since 2012. Any time I needed an opinion about something, I just asked right here.
There was ONE guy I liked back in around 2012, 2013 who showed why a certain mod was dangerous (no vent hole) and he wasn't "commercial" or greedy enough to become rich and famous. He was about the most honest reviewer ever. I forgot the name of the mod at the time, he did some kinda thing with a balloon to show how air could not get out in the case of an overheat.
Any time I needed an opinion about something, I just asked right here.There was ONE guy I liked back in around 2012, 2013 who showed why a certain mod was dangerous (no vent hole) and he wasn't "commercial" or greedy enough to become rich and famous. He was about the most honest reviewer ever. I forgot the name of the mod at the time, he did some kinda thing with a balloon to show how air could not get out in the case of an overheat.
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For what its worth, I trust PBusardo (Phil) and DJLsb (Daniel) reviews. They go into great depth on the quality and performance of the devices that they review, and neither are going to hold back on any negative qualities that they come across. Both tear down gear for close inspection and measure a mod's performance on test equipment.
I also trust iGetYa69 (Scot). I'll often use Rip Trippers or Grimm Green videos because despite their odd (to me) personalities, they use great closeup photography and have good tutorials.
I also trust iGetYa69 (Scot). I'll often use Rip Trippers or Grimm Green videos because despite their odd (to me) personalities, they use great closeup photography and have good tutorials.
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I am a photographer, and this trend is found their as well. Camera gear reviewers, particularly sponsored ones tend to be more biased. I just use them as a guide, but I prefer forum reviews and first hand experience, and the same applies to vaping; I prefer forum members over YouTube channels.
One exception is AdvancedVape. I learned so much from that channel.
One exception is AdvancedVape. I learned so much from that channel.
You are correct opinions, pretty much by definition, are 100% biased. Most of the time though they are biased toward the holder of said opinion, unless of course they are a paid shill. In other words they like what they like and don't what they don't and that may differ from your likes or dislikes.
The key to watching reviews (as well as the news) is to learn to separate fact from opinion. If they measure a mod or tank on camera then the dimensions are fact. That it "feels" nice in the hand, is opinion. That you press x button + y button to accomplish a task is fact. That the menu system is "intuitive" is opinion. That it "hits hard", "chucks clouds", or "vapes good" is opinion. That if you set it to 100W it really puts out 120W as measured by an oscilloscope is fact. Once you can separate fact from opinion, you can watch reviews and get the true information you need to make an properly informed decision based on YOUR needs.
I disagree with the need to recycle "reference materials" and prefer not to permit my "library" of information to be controlled by others.
The fragility of digital content and the real possibility of it being removed or changed with NO warning makes me uncomfortable.
That said...EVERYTHING is subjective. Even if something is presented "neutrally", WE are the interpreters, and we can make it "mean" whatever WE decide.
Nothing I have ever read in my entire life has been without bias. Nothing I have ever watched or listened to has been free of bias. No painting or poem, sculpture nor carving has ever NOT expressed it's opinion.
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