Zenesis Informational/Help thread. Please Post questions and answers here.

[jayD]

I'm happy that you have resorted to personal attacks, it's not like you can provide any factual information why zen is a good product, because truth be told, it's not.

1) the battery rattles, zen doesn't have time to make adjustable pins, but has a lot of time to explain about arcing and why rattle is really good for you.
2) the point of contacts are very minimal due to rounded screws, zen doesn't have a desire to make a properly conductive mod that uses flat contact points and doesn't suffer massive voltage drop, so just "push it to the switch to the side...until it works, or whatever"
3) there is no locking switch, why release a carto tank, claim its great for work and put it on a vape that is by no means pocket friendly?
4) you can't use a kick with any of the new zen products, because of the non adjustable pins, the switch won't thread all the way into the tube if you try.
5) advertising and selling 24k plated parts as superior, when in fact the plating will quickly wear down, revealing the bare stainless steel, which is a poor conductor relative to other readily available options.
6) not even bothering to sand flat the positive post on the 510 connector, there goes the gold plating, thanks sharp edges!

I won't even try to sell my zen gear, because I would feel bad for the person buying it for wasting their money. And as far as I can tell, zen will not address any of these concerns. He made his design choices and you need to deal with them.

 

[bryphi]

While I can't comment on all of your points there, I do know a few things:

1) The battery rattle exists as a safety measure. If the battery vents, the gas fills the chamber, forcing the switch off the battery. Beyond this, I don't know.

2) The best to my knowledge, the voltage drop happens when people are doing sub-ohm? The reason for this is that Mike designed the zenesis to not be used for sub-ohm because of insurance reasons... sub-ohm vaping isn't safe.

3) For me, the lack of a locking switch is not a big deal. If you unscrew the switch a few turns it won't fire.

4) I have no problem using a kick with my z2 stuff. The switch screws exactly how it is supposed to. Also, if the switch isn't turning all the way down, you can take a washer out of the switch and it probably will completely screw on.

 

[doats81]

#5 every modder has issues with there gold plated contacts. My opinion is gold plating is overrated anyways. I would never buy a mod just because of gold plated contacts.

I would say on the switch. It's all preference. Most will say they have not had a issue with the zen firing in there pocket. I have a different mod that I carry at work and it has a locking switch and I notice it unlocks just from being in my pocket.

Like others have said the battery rattle is there for safety. Do I like it personally? No. I actually use a old tank oring on top of the switch to stop the rattle.

 

[tj99959]

While I can't comment on all of your points there, I do know a few things:

1) The battery rattle exists as a safety measure. If the battery vents, the gas fills the chamber, forcing the switch off the battery. Beyond this, I don't know.

2) The best to my knowledge, the voltage drop happens when people are doing sub-ohm? The reason for this is that Mike designed the zenesis to not be used for sub-ohm because of insurance reasons... sub-ohm vaping isn't safe.

3) For me, the lack of a locking switch is not a big deal. If you unscrew the switch a few turns it won't fire.

4) I have no problem using a kick with my z2 stuff. The switch screws exactly how it is supposed to. Also, if the switch isn't turning all the way down, you can take a washer out of the switch and it probably will completely screw on.

#1 That's nonsense, what will force the switch off the battery is you saying "oh sh..." as you take your finger off the switch. The bad part is that as soon as you do gasses can no longer escape through the switch. So now you would have the potential of having a bomb in your hand. Check out the SmokTech Telescope threads here on ecf if you want to know the proper solutions. I find it ironic that members of ecf forced Smoktech to change their design, but think nothing about it when the almighty Zen has the same issue.

#2 That is also utter nonsense, and nothing more than an excuse for using a cheap spring that is not up to the task. In reality the voltage drop is there through the full range of resistances, and simply increases as resistance decreases, just like any other poor contact. In fact the spring is so inefficient that it forces you to rely on the two halves of the switch housing rubbing against each other to supply the electrical contact.

#3 Just because you don't use a switch lock out doesn't mean it shouldn't be there. Even an eGo has a lock out for hells sake!

#4 All I can say is WOW MAN!
If you have so many washers in there that the contact surface of that screw is above the surface of the insulator when the switch is at rest, you sure believe in living dangerously. It should be the insulator that touches the battery, not the screw, when the switch is not being pushed.

OK, so let's move from griping about problems to talking about solutions.

Here's what I did;
First lets talk about venting, and make the PV safe before going any farther.
The device vents fine through the switch if the button is depressed. It's when the switch is not depressed that the battery chamber will hold pressure (mine dropped from 120psi to 80psi in one hour). Slotting the insulator under the contact screw/washer allows gasses to escape through the switch even tho' the switch is not depressed.

There, wasn't that hard?
Also the BB/Alpha Hotspring from Altsmoke was the perfect solution to the poor electrical connection at the switch.

For the battery rattle I simple got some Efest 18500 IMR batteries for my DX-490.
Today I'm showing a 0.18v drop under load with a 1.9ohm coil.

The bottom line is that all of the things folks are complaining about have simple solutions that should have been resolved before these units ever went into production.

 

[thejager]

I am pretty sure Zen designed the battery to rattle...whether you like it or not...too bad... not an oversight...a design choice

Whether you believe it or not, he chose the springs entirely knowingly, so again not a flaw...a design choice

No locking switch was a design he knowingly did...unscrewing works just fine and allows for him to be covered by his insurance...not a flaw..a design choice made to appease the insurance

Venting...can't speak on why Zen did what he did, but i am sure if you contacted him he would explain it...go ahead and contact him

Cant really speak on Kick problems...when i have tried my Kick in Zen stuff it works... i dont use a Kick that often...but i dont remember Zen promising or ever saying he was building a device that worked without issue with the Kick...he doesnt have to, nor do i think he promised that functionality...so again...not a flaw...a design choice


So...3 knowingly made design choices (probably 4 wit h the venting concern...but i will leave that to you to get an answer that suffices.) And lastly a problem with an accessory that wasn't promised to be 100% compatible... I honestly dont see any issue other than a personal problem with Zen's design choices...and unfortunately

You dont have to agree with, like, embrace or promote Zen's design choices...but they are just that HIS design choices, and were made by him knowingly and purposely. I am sorry you dont like your purchase, but that is part of the activity. Live and learn. It is very nice you have been able to mod your devices to fulfill your personal desires, but that is not needed to get a good vape on Zen stuff. I am vaping one right now, and i am loving it.

As i said i cant speak on venting, but i DO wish you would contact him and get your answers...you'd be pretty surprised how thoughtful and deliberate he is with his answers. Go through houseofhybrids.com If you choose not to do this, that is on you not any of us.

I will not participate in this anymore as it doesnt seem like there is any point. It just seems like complaints and answers that are not satisfying to those with complaints. Yet those answers are really all you will get. I am not going to give you answers that are not indicative of my experiences nor my personal suggestions regarding Zen products. I am sorry that isnt good enough for you.

This is an informational help thread, you have posted your concerns and gotten your answers and been provided further ways to continue. IF that is not enough there is nothing else there can be done for you.

This isnt a complaint and bashing thread.

I wish you the best in your quest for vaping perfection! Im sorry it doesnt seem to be with Zen products, for me they are what i look for to a "T".

 

[tj99959]

I am pretty sure Zen designed the battery to rattle...whether you like it or not...too bad... not an oversight...a design choice

Whether you believe it or not, he chose the springs entirely knowingly, so again not a flaw...a design choice

No locking switch was a design he knowingly did...unscrewing works just fine and allows for him to be covered by his insurance...not a flaw..a design choice made to appease the insurance

Venting...can't speak on why Zen did what he did, but i am sure if you contacted him he would explain it...go ahead and contact him

Cant really speak on Kick problems...when i have tried my Kick in Zen stuff it works... i dont use a Kick that often...but i dont remember Zen promising or ever saying he was building a device that worked without issue with the Kick...he doesnt have to, nor do i think he promised that functionality...so again...not a flaw...a design choice


So...3 knowingly made design choices (probably 4 wit h the venting concern...but i will leave that to you to get an answer that suffices.) And lastly a problem with an accessory that wasn't promised to be 100% compatible... I honestly dont see any issue other than a personal problem with Zen's design choices...and unfortunately

You dont have to agree with, like, embrace or promote Zen's design choices...but they are just that HIS design choices, and were made by him knowingly and purposely. I am sorry you dont like your purchase, but that is part of the activity. Live and learn. It is very nice you have been able to mod your devices to fulfill your personal desires, but that is not needed to get a good vape on Zen stuff. I am vaping one right now, and i am loving it.

As i said i cant speak on venting, but i DO wish you would contact him and get your answers...you'd be pretty surprised how thoughtful and deliberate he is with his answers. Go through houseofhybrids.com If you choose not to do this, that is on you not any of us.

I will not participate in this anymore as it doesnt seem like there is any point. It just seems like complaints and answers that are not satisfying to those with complaints. Yet those answers are really all you will get. I am not going to give you answers that are not indicative of my experiences nor my personal suggestions regarding Zen products. I am sorry that isnt good enough for you.

This is an informational help thread, you have posted your concerns and gotten your answers and been provided further ways to continue. IF that is not enough there is nothing else there can be done for you.

This isnt a complaint and bashing thread.

I wish you the best in your quest for vaping perfection! Im sorry it doesnt seem to be with Zen products, for me they are what i look for to a "T".

All of which will only insure that the complaints continue.

Don't you think that new buyers have a right to know about these "shortfalls" before they buy a Zen?

I wish you the best in your quest for vaping perfection! Im sorry it doesnt seem to be with Zen products

Please reread my post. By doing what should have been done during production (IMO), mine works very well.

I have to say this tho' ............... the attitude of "like it the way the Almighty, can do no wrong, ZEN thinks things work SUCKS. Good Lord man, he's just a guy with a nice machine shop ... not a GOD.
He can "tamp sand" all he wants to, the proof is still in the performance of his products.

We would be far better served if he took heed of the complaints, and used them to improve his products. Right now it seems like pretty paint jobs takes precedence over performance.

 

[doats81]

Any buyer should do research on any product they buy.

Mike also had to do some of the things he did because of insurance.

 

[tj99959]

Any buyer should do research on any product they buy.

Mike also had to do some of the things he did because of insurance.

So I guess others have been able to find better insurance then

Sorry but that just sounds like tamping more of that sand up someones ............ I owned my own business for many years, so I know about the insurance thing.

 

[Nathanial]

So I guess others have been able to find better insurance then

Sorry but that just sounds like tamping more of that sand up someones ............ I owned my own business for many years, so I know about the insurance thing.

So then you should know the policies?

 

[Wingnut73]

All of which will only insure that the complaints continue.

Don't you think that new buyers have a right to know about these "shortfalls" before they buy a Zen?



Please reread my post. By doing what should have been done during production (IMO), mine works very well.

I have to say this tho' ............... the attitude of "like it the way the Almighty, can do no wrong, ZEN thinks things work SUCKS. Good Lord man, he's just a guy with a nice machine shop ... not a GOD.
He can "tamp sand" all he wants to, the proof is still in the performance of his products.

We would be far better served if he took heed of the complaints, and used them to improve his products. Right now it seems like pretty paint jobs takes precedence over performance.

What other shortfalls are you referring to? I would think if you were unhappy with the way a device performs you would just sell it and move on. Not bash it and say the way it was designed and intended to be used was a shortfall or problem because it wasn't your cup of tea. I had a ihybrid standard and a ihybrid blue dragon that I used for a few weeks and sold off because I didn't like the way they performed compared to my zens. That was the end of my ihybrid experience, I moved on. I didn't go to faceless website or supplier forum voicing my displeasure saying the device sucked or had shortfalls. It just wasn't the vape I was looking for.

There have been plenty of reasons given on why the zen device works the way it does. Some like it, some don't. For me personally, I like the way it vapes.

 

[tj99959]

What other shortfalls are you referring to? I would think if you were unhappy with the way a device performs you would just sell it and move on. Not bash it and say the way it was designed and intended to be used was a shortfall or problem because it wasn't your cup of tea. I had a ihybrid standard and a ihybrid blue dragon that I used for a few weeks and sold off because I didn't like the way they performed compared to my zens. That was the end of my ihybrid experience, I moved on. I didn't go to faceless website or supplier forum voicing my displeasure saying the device sucked or had shortfalls. It just wasn't the vape I was looking for.

There have been plenty of reasons given on why the zen device works the way it does. Some like it, some don't. For me personally, I like the way it vapes.

Just so you know, the owner of this supplier forum is a personal friend, so take my word for it ....... he knows.

I buy 99% of my vaping stuff from ENS, and have since I started vaping. Their store is 5 minutes from my house.

 

[Grammie]

If you have unanswered questions, please ask your friend or do as suggested and call Zen. People have tried to help, yet you continue on and on and on and on and on. You added nothing new, no new questions. These people trying to help were asked to help in this thread by your friend, so my suggestion would be to take up your problem directly with him.

 

[stevo123]

If you have unanswered questions, please ask your friend or do as suggested and call Zen. People have tried to help, yet you continue on and on and on and on and on. You added nothing new, no new questions. These people trying to help were asked to help in this thread by your friend, so my suggestion would be to take up your problem directly with him.

wow well said

 

[tj99959]

If you have unanswered questions, please ask your friend or do as suggested and call Zen. People have tried to help, yet you continue on and on and on and on and on. You added nothing new, no new questions. These people trying to help were asked to help in this thread by your friend, so my suggestion would be to take up your problem directly with him.

Something got lost in translation!

I fixed mine
And posted up how others can fix theirs if they have similar problems.

Then the trash talk started up about how a Zen is perfect, and how if anyone has a problem they should learn to live with it because we all know that Mike can do no wrong.

 

[Grammie]

Something got lost in translation!I fixed mineAnd posted up how others can fix theirs if they have similar problems.Then the trash talk started up about how a Zen is perfect, and how if anyone has a problem they should learn to live with it because we all know that Mike can do no wrong.

No one said Zen is perfect

People got tired of this dribble so yeah, they probably have said live with it

No one said Zen could do no wrong, apparently you did not read my post I said he (meaning Zen) had hiccups along the way

I've known Jason for 3.5 years, so what

Please just give it a rest, the horse is dead, long dead

Oh, forgot to add, please learn some forum etiquette and not post another vendor in this or any other vendors thread. If someone asks for vendor information please be respectful and take it to private messaging.

 

[tj99959]

You're right, I apologize.

 

[zygote]

Allright folks,

1 The zen~ models I have adopted work exactly as stated and marketed.

2 Mod from factory specs as you will, If that achieves your level of performance, excellent.

3 Questions to be answered are to be " how to operate your zenesis within factory specs "

4 Modding questions may need another thread.

5 Life is too short-------------" Just Vape IT "

 

[Kn0ttYFive]

Hi,
I had a similar switch issue with my Zen 2 Carto. I read through this thread to gather more information, then I sent my questions to ENS support e-mail address. A few e-mail replies back and forth for troubleshooting, then I was sent a new spring and screw. All has been well since then. I found them to be very helpful and patient. I appreciate Information/Help threads such as this one, it comes in handy. Thank you.

 

[michaelangelo]

When is the Altus coming out


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[tybin]

no clue. they were waiting for custom glass. Jay did say something in zen products was about to go up on the site though