vapor tastes harsh and hurts throat??

[Kyi]

So I got some new e-liquid last night from madvapes and put some of it into a new 808D cartomizer. I let it steep for a little bit, then I tried smoking it. Well, it was very harsh and hurt my throat. I put more liquid in it and waited. Occasionally, I will get a nice smooth hit but sometimes it just feels like a really harsh throat hit. It seems to do that less when I use the USB passthrough. The problem is, it always feels like its more on the harsh side than smooth side.

At first, on my other cartos, I had some 24mg liquid and felt that it was too strong for me. I thought that was the reason I was getting such harsh hits. But now I switched to some 11mg and 16mg liquid and it still feels harsh. Am I doing something wrong or is it suppose to be this harsh? I like a little throat hit but not where I feel like I'm destroying my throat, esp since its way more harsh than analogs.

I am using a manual 808D battery. Should be giving my eGo Firefly tomorrow so if it STILL tastes harsh, then something is definitely wrong or I'm just dumb. Any tips to help? Thanks!

 

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

The problem is present just with this particular bottle of juice? You've vaped others with no complaint? If so, I'd be looking at a possibly defective batch of juice—in which case I'd cut my losses by throwing it out.

 

[beebster]

I get different experiences with different atomizers and cartos. sometimes, some liquids are better vaped at different voltages. if you want to stick with the 808 then i suggest trying other juices, varying the nic strength and vg/pg ratios until you find ones you like. it's a bit of exploratory process. but once you nail that one or two or 3...ahem..anyhow, it's awesome from that point on! good luck and hopefully others here can give you their insight.

*just wanted to note - i also get a scratchy feeling, i tend to vape low nic juices, but i've gotten used to this and i equate that feeling as the 'throat hit' - i don't know if this is what a throat hit is...but thats how i feel about it.

 

[Warren D. Lockaby]

What PG/VG ratio is the juice? Also, do you draw slowly & hold the vapor in your mouth for a moment before inhaling? I'm thinking, if you're getting an occasional smooth hit the liquid could be too thick (high in VG) to wick well consistently, causing you to get a lot of fairly dry hits. Also I find by holding the vapor a moment, then allowing it to blend with a little air as I inhale, I can control the TH to my liking.

If the juice is excessively thick you might try thinning it with a drop or two of distilled water (depending upon thickness & qty. to be thinned). Hope this helps.

Happy Vaping!

 

[kallitexnis]

You have to be worried of additives in e-juices. Many brands put inside linalool and vanillin which are chemicals that make troubles to throat. Many vapers in Greece had the same experience. Due to chinese e-juices. When they tasted pure fine liquids having just VG-PG USP/Eur.Ph. + flavour + nicotine USP/Eur.Ph. everything was perfect. MTS and Sharp Taste additives (material for DIY) are also responsible for throat problems.

 

[jnnfrlsw]

SOunds like a dry carto to me. Make sure your filling your carto all the way. Not familiar with kr808 cartos. Hopefully someone who uses thart carto will tell us.

 

[SubSplat]

I got 3 liquids from madvapes and had a same experience. Might be just something about the way they make it.

 

[Kyi]

Thanks everyone, I will try filling the carto more but I feel like I have been doing that already... maybe I need to do it more?

I have not tried the other juices yet, I will try them when I get my Firefly tomorrow. I will also be getting some 1.5ohm dual coil cartos and 2.7ohm Boge 510 cartos. Now, if these juices STILL taste the same, I will assume it is the juices. Unless I'm still doing them wrong. If not, I'll just conclude that the higher volt battery did the trick. I also heard that new cartos/attys sometime taste harsher and need to be 'broken' in a little? Is that true?

 

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

New attys—if not blown out before use—won't taste so much harsh as simply nasty; the innards are treated with a layer of primer before they leave the factory to prevent corrosion.

 

[acorn54]

i use the 808 batteries and i have found cartomizer performance varies greatly among the various vendors
vapor for life wow cartomizers have been the only ones of consistent quality and performance, that i am satisfied with
my experience of other cartomizers range from always getting juice in my mouth, to the cartomizer getting too hot, to getting little vapor.

 

[Kyi]

Ok, so I just got my eGo Firefly today and immediately filled up a 1.5ohm dcc with some 11mg honeydew liquid. I dripped the liquid down the sides of the carto after taking out the ring, and waited, then dripped some more. I dripped some on the battery end of it too. Seems like enough liquid since it was starting to spill out. Then I let it sit for a moment and tried hitting it.

Still tasted really harsh and kind of spicy. Not something that I feel like I can take several smooth hits in a row. It leaves an unpleasant feeling in my mouth.

Next, I attached a 510 to 901/808 adapter to the other battery, popped on a 901 atty and drip tip that already had some Cherry blossom 11mg liquid, and hit it. Much much smoother. Still, it made me feel weird after a few hits.

Do I only feel this way because I am new to vaping (or rather just started back) or am I sensitive to this stuff or is the nicotine too high? My previous liquid was 24mg and I would feel weird after that as well. Weird as in... like I feel dizzy and light headed and things seem brighter.

I wanna be able to puff it as much as I like and get a nice smooth tasty hit with lots of vapor, but instead I just get meh vapor and my mouth/throat just feel weird. I have some 510 Boge 2.7ohm cartos, maybe I will try that one next.

 

[elainedon]

I'd be looking at a possibly defective batch of juice—in which case I'd cut my losses by throwing it out.

My thoughts exactly!

 

[Retriever]

Sounds like you need a new juice vendor. Having said that, the feelings you describe are along the lines of getting too much nic. How much did you smoke?

 

[LucentShadow]

I like Mad Vapes, but I'm not a fan of their flavorings. The juice and extracts that I got from them seemed to be quite alcoholic, which bothered me quite a bit.

I also found out around that time that PG bothers me quite a bit, even in fairly low percentages.

I had many of the symptoms that you describe that I attribute to alcohol and PG content. I use VG-based liquids now, and look for flavorings with the main carriers being PG, VG, or water. A small amount of alcohol is O.K.

You might want to try to dilute your juice with some Humco glycerin USP from Walmart or a drug store, thus dropping the nic level (some of what you describe sounds like nic being too high,) and lowering the PG level.

 

[dmarnaud2]

My thoughts exactly!

Kyi, I have at various time had similar symptoms and I think that all PG or VG is not created equal. I have settled down to the fact that the only juice that works for me is the Totally Wicked red label juice. I also can't use VG because it seems to collect in my lungs and give me a really bad heavy feeling. May just be me but the Wikipedia article on PG states in part:

"Production
Industrially, propylene glycol is produced from propylene oxide.[3] Different manufacturers use either non-catalytic high-temperature process at 200 °C (392 °F) to 220 °C (428 °F), or a catalytic method, which proceeds at 150 °C (302 °F) to 180 °C (356 °F) in the presence of ion exchange resin or a small amount of sulfuric acid or alkali.

Final products contain 20% 1,2-propanediol, 1.5% of dipropylene glycol and small amounts of other polypropylene glycols.[4] Further purification produces finished industrial grade or USP/JP/EP/BP grade propylene glycol that is typically 99.5% or greater. Propylene glycol can also be converted from glycerol, a biodiesel byproduct."

I am not sure what type of manufacturing process TW uses but there may be a reason that their juice is sooo expensive. I wonder if they use the "non-catalytic" method or not but the catalysts used in the other method are pretty harsh chemicals. One of the chemicals they use to denature alcohol is denatonium which is supposedly the bitterest chemical known to man and generally un-bearable in concentrations of as low as 10ppm. also the 'primer' in the carts or atty's can be primed with cheap PG so who knows what's in it.

I have been having the burnt atty problem with a new batch of atty's and tried washing them with strait PG from an ecig vendor but guess what...the taste did not change and may have gotten worse. I have since just started rinsing with boiling water and it seems to have solved the problem for me. I think that if you run your carts or atty's to dry they will develope the burnt problem and in my experience, once it starts it will not go away.

Try new juice and watch the heat.

 

[Jay Dee]

There may also be an issue with your vaping technique. I know when I started, I was trying to directly inhale the vapor just like I did with the analogs. BIG mistake...at least for me.

What I do now is (trying not to sound like a porn here...*sigh*) is suck it from the device into the mouth only...long smooth pull...and then inhale it from what's in the mouth, also dragging in some air. Things are MUCH smoother that way, at least for me.

If that's the way you are already doing it...well, then what the other folks said. /nod /nod

 

[Boondock_RES]

Having the same issues as the OP. Bought three different flavors from madvapes, each one incredibly harsh. Have tried it in a few different batteries, atomizers, and cartos with no luck at all.

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

Sounds crazy but are you drinking lots of water to avoid dehydration which is common among new vapers? I drink 1 1/2- 2 litres per day.
Good Luck.

 

[PoliticallyIncorrect]

Ok, so I just got my eGo Firefly today and immediately filled up a 1.5ohm dcc with some 11mg honeydew liquid. I dripped the liquid down the sides of the carto after taking out the ring, and waited, then dripped some more. I dripped some on the battery end of it too. Seems like enough liquid since it was starting to spill out. Then I let it sit for a moment and tried hitting it.

Still tasted really harsh and kind of spicy.

Letting a newly-filled cato sit for just a moment may likely be your problem. These things need time for the liquid to be completely absorbed into the filler. My rule of thumb is a good 30 minutes.

 

[rayme52]

Sounds crazy but are you drinking lots of water to avoid dehydration which is common among new vapers? I drink 1 1/2- 2 litres per day.
Good Luck.

Does coffee count? I'm not much of a water drinker but I drink 6 to 10 cups of coffee a day.