Joyetech Evic VT 60 Watt

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On a regulated mod, the wattage/power you vape at has far more to do with your battery life then your build resistance. On a VW mod, a .5 ohm and a .9 ohm say... Would last pretty much the same if you were running them both at 35 watts. Haven't played with tc enough to know if that holds true to temp settings, since the wattage bounces around to maintain temp. I do know there simplest way to prolong life a bit, is to adjust your settings so the mod doesn't have to work hard to maintain the set temp...i.e. just enough wattage to get to to desired temp without cycling through temp protection too much.
ummmmmmm you might be right about enough wattage to get to to desired temp without cycling through temp protection too much
but any way our minimum wattage is 30 watt ,, i thing that if we higher our resistance the wire will heat faster on the same wattage so if we lower the temp we will get a better battery life ?! i don't know !
 
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how come you use 24 ga Nichrome80 in temp control ??!!!!!! is it even possible, and if it worked did temp control functional effectively ?
I am afraid it was all I had available. I will be ordering more wire soon. I have most useful Kanthal gauges but this is my first attempt with nickel. Also I need to find some titanium to try out.
 

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how come you use 24 ga Nichrome80 in temp control ??!!!!!! is it even possible, and if it worked did temp control functional effectively ?
I am havining a bit of trouble keeping TC locked in. Do you think it might be due to the nichrome rather than Ni200 or the wire ga or perhaps both?
 

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I am havining a bit of trouble keeping TC locked in. Do you think it might be due to the nichrome rather than Ni200 or the wire ga or perhaps both?

TC needs the Ni200 or Ti. On the rDNA-40 anything other than that goes straight to VW/power mode.
 
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Ok, I've played around with different attys on my VT for a while now and have formulated some "opinions" on it's performance.

1. The vt is a smooth operator in power mode. Flawless performance at 20-60w with kanthal builds using STminis, Billow, Kanger Aerotank Mega, Plume Veil and Tobh Atty. Battery mah appears to somewhere between 4500-5000 mah based on experience.

2. The vt has been flawless in Ti mode with the Plume Veil rda with a .2 ohm Ti build. The device produces the same temp vape each and every time. Not so with the STmini. The small changes in atty res .02-.03 are causing me to have to move the temp control up or down to compensate for a vape that's too cool or too warm. It may just be that the floating intermediate pos pin in the base of STmini is causing the res change....perhaps due to heating and cooling of the atty. Could be that the 510 spring in the VT isn't strong enough to overcome the floating intermediate pin's insulator friction in the STmini's base, don't know, but I do suspect this is the case. All three of my STminis behave this way. One worse than the other two.

I'm beginning to think that any atty with floating positive pin parts, including rubber and silicon, are not going to provide the resistance stability required for this type of temp control device to work flawlessly, that is, temp control devices that use resistance to calculate temp.

I think I'll refrain from further purchases of tc devices until the temp probe versions come out.
 

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Hello, Alaskavaper her. I have a delimna that I would like some opinions on please. I ordered my Evic vt last week and it arrived yesterday and I unboxed it this morning. I had seen PBusrardos review shortly after I placed my order and was happy his review was largely positive, giving it a thumbs up. Because this is my first TC device, that made me feel like I had made a good decision. After unboxing this morning I checked Busardo'ss web site "tasteyourjuice.com- what a shock! He changed his review to thumbs down today after following up email complaints from some knowlegable Evic users that were having problems with burnt wicks when using the device under 30 watts, which wattage levels Busardo had not used in his original review. He therefore ran his extensive scope tests at the under 30 watt level and he found that the problem is use in that range. Apparently at these lower ranges in both watt and TC modes the device puts out a burst of 8.4 volts for about 1.28 seconds and thereby causes a burnt taste from the wick. This seems unacceptable and a flaw in the devices performance. Since I have not used the Evic yet, only unboxed it, I am stuck with the question of returning it or wait for Evic to address this matter. It is a clearly authenticated problem and Busardo has altered his opinion from the thumbs up to thumbs down now. Does anyone using the device have any thoughts on this? Thanks in advance.

You asked for some thoughts about this and I have a few...

The eVic VT is pretty clearly designed for low ohm, high wattage, high airflow type of atomizers. It is engineered to be used primarily over 30 watts. In temp mode, it doesn't even go lower than 30 watts.

Pbusardo loves Kayfuns..... They are not designed for the type of usage that the eVic VT is designed to provide. I have a Kayfun V4, But I wouldn't use it on my eVic......Sure, it will *work* with this set-up, but it's not a very good pairing.

The eVic VT is even painted like a *Muscle car*..... It visually says "This thing is fast and loose". A clue to the intended use of the device.

At the low pricepoint of the eVic VT, people shouldn't expect it to be perfect for *every* vaping situation. It's the Ford Mustang of mods.... Fast and affordable, but low on luxury and all terrain performance.

I have had a couple issues with my eVic VT personally, but it's still my current "go-to" device. I've used it all day, every day since I got it. It's not perfect, but it's great considering the "bang for the buck".

I appreciate Pbusardo's extensive testing of the eVic VT, but the source has to be considered when assessing his review. He is a professional reviewer. He receives most items for free, and gets paid to evaluate them. He has nearly unlimited access to devices, so pricing is no concern for him or his evaluation. He is looking for engineered perfection, and affordability is not part of that equation. It's not a surprise to me that he gives it a "thumbs down"......But he is also the type of guy that would buy several authentic Kayfuns at $200 a piece.

Use his scientific findings and compare them to the price of the device. Disregard his "rating" and decide for yourself if it will do what you want for the price it's offered. For me, it's 2 thumbs up.
 

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Ok, I've played around with different attys on my VT for a while now and have formulated some "opinions" on it's performance.

1. The vt is a smooth operator in power mode. Flawless performance at 20-60w with kanthal builds using STminis, Billow, Kanger Aerotank Mega, Plume Veil and Tobh Atty. Battery mah appears to somewhere between 4500-5000 mah based on experience.

2. The vt has been flawless in Ti mode with the Plume Veil rda with a .2 ohm Ti build. The device produces the same temp vape each and every time. Not so with the STmini. The small changes in atty res .02-.03 are causing me to have to move the temp control up or down to compensate for a vape that's too cool or too warm. It may just be that the floating intermediate pos pin in the base of STmini is causing the res change....perhaps due to heating and cooling of the atty. Could be that the 510 spring in the VT isn't strong enough to overcome the floating intermediate pin's insulator friction in the STmini's base, don't know, but I do suspect this is the case. All three of my STminis behave this way. One worse than the other two.

I'm beginning to think that any atty with floating positive pin parts, including rubber and silicon, are not going to provide the resistance stability required for this type of temp control device to work flawlessly, that is, temp control devices that use resistance to calculate temp.

I think I'll refrain from further purchases of tc devices until the temp probe versions come out.

I had a problem with the STM on an IPV4 before I got some Ni200 wire. One of the ones I have would be vaping fine and then get extremely hot and be spitting bad, then back to normal. Couldnt figure out what was wrong until I was holding my IPV4 and hit the fire button and watched the ohm go from .5 to over 2 ohms, back to .5 and right back to over 2 ohms. Got to playing around with the STM and found the bottom pin on the RBA deck was finger tight, snug but not really tight. I put a drill bit thru the holes and cinched it down and have not had a problem with it or any resistance variance since.
 

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ummmmmmm you might be right about enough wattage to get to to desired temp without cycling through temp protection too much
but any way our minimum wattage is 30 watt ,, i thing that if we higher our resistance the wire will heat faster on the same wattage so if we lower the temp we will get a better battery life ?! i don't know !

Watts is watts, and watt-hours is watt-hours. Your battery is rated in milliamp-hours, and that-- barring mislabeling, false advertising, and deterioration of capacity through usage/damage-- is what it holds. An "Amp-hour" is that amount of capacity that will flow a current of the specified amount (1 amp) for one hour at the battery voltage. Watts are a measure of "power" or "work" in the physics terms. Amps are a measure of the amount of current flowing at any given time. As simply as I can, mAh tells you what current level the batt's capacity will deliver for 1 hour; while mWh is a direct reference to the batt capacity itself. The capacity rating does not necessarily indicate the batt's ability to transfer power; that's what the "C" rating is for. Thus, a 1200mAh battery will deliver 1.2A for one hour before it is discharged. Or it will deliver .12A (120mA) for ten hours. Or it will deliver 12A for 6 minutes (if it's C rating is high enough and it doesn't blow up.) Milliwatthours work the exact same way, it's just a different unit of measure, measuring a different thing. The exact calculation of how many Wh a battery holds would make Einstein stagger across the room for an Advil; it's pretty hairy math because actual delivered voltage changes over the charge state. Watts are equal to amps times volts. A rough-and-ready guide is nominal batt voltage times mAh rating; example: 1000 mAh batt at 3.7V is about 3700 mWh or 3.7 Wh or .0037 kWh. It is important to note the math doesn't care about the values: a 1V, 1A current, and a .1V, 10A current, and a 10V, .1A current all use 1W/time unit the circuit is energized.

In practical terms, there are other considerations. For example, if you're a chain vaper using hi-watt setup, and you're working close to the battery's effective maximum C, the batt will heat up. Elevated temps derate the batt's ability to supply power. You're not using a meter to determine this stuff, you're using your mouth to tell you the quality of the vape; an imprecise metric at best :) This is to say, the rated mWh are still in the battery, but you can't get them *out* of the battery fast enough for your mouth to tell you "good vape" under hi temp conditions. For your purposes, then, the batt is "flat", even though it's still got juice, and would cheerfully deliver it if you let it cool down first.

The thing about VW mods-- why they work so well-- is by controlling the wattage used, they always apply the same amount of total power to the coil for however long you have the fire button pressed, thereby giving you a very consistent vape. Within limits, they don't care about the atty resistance; they just apply the right current at the appropriate voltage to burn X watts-- wherever you set it-- for as long as you hold the button down. State of the art being what it is, there are some practial considerations. The board can't deliver more power than the batt can provide, or so much current it melts. There's usually a limit to the ability of the board to measure the atty resistance; if your coil falls outside those limits, the board can't calculate A x V to give you the W you want. A TC mod won't exceed the specified temp, even if this means delivering less wattage to the atty. A mod with a pre-heat function heats the coil to just-below-vapor-temp for your juice so it fires quickly, but this uses batt power when you are not vaping. In general, though, and all else being equal, a thinner wire/fewer wraps coil vs, a thicker wire/more wraps coil both totalling the same ohms shouldn't make a practical difference in battery life. The thinner coil makes vapor more quickly, true, but usually less than a second's difference, and then only on the first puff from a cold start. There are 3600 watt-seconds in a watt-hour; and you're likely to want to charge/swap batts long before the batt is dead flat. YMMV, if you have a precisely calibrated vape-mouth; but prob not so much in practice.
 
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Watts is watts, and watt-hours is watt-hours. Your battery is rated in milliamp-hours, and that-- barring mislabeling, false advertising, and deterioration of capacity through usage/damage-- is what it holds. An "Amp-hour" is that amount of capacity that will flow a current of the specified amount (6 amps, 2200 milliamps, whatever) for one hour at the battery voltage. Watts are a measure of "power" or "work" in the physics terms. Amps are a measure of the amount of current flowing at any given time. As simply as I can, mAh tells you what current level the batt's capacity will deliver for 1 hour; while mWh is a direct reference to the batt capacity itself. The capacity rating does not necessarily indicate the batt's ability to transfer power; that's what the "C" rating is for. Thus, a 1200mAh battery will deliver 1.2A for one hour before it is discharged. Or it will deliver .12A (120mA) for ten hours. Or it will deliver 12A for 6 minutes (if it's C rating is high enough and it doesn't blow up.) Milliwatthours work the exact same way, it's just a different unit of measure, measuring a different thing. The exact calculation of how many Wh a battery holds would make Einstein stagger across the room for an Advil; it's pretty hairy math because actual delivered voltage changes over the charge state. Watts are equal to amps times volts. A rough-and-ready guide is nominal batt voltage times mAh rating; example: 1000 mAh batt at 3.7V is about 3700 mWh or 3.7 Wh or .0037 kWh. It is important to note the math doesn't care about the values: a 1V, 1A current, and a .1V, 10A current, and a 10V, .1A current all use 1W/time unit the circuit is energized.

In practical terms, there are other considerations. For example, if you're a chain vaper using hi-watt setup, and you're working close to the battery's effective maximum C, the batt will heat up. Elevated temps derate the batt's ability to supply power. You're not using a meter to determine this stuff, you're using your mouth to tell you the quality of the vape; an imprecise metric at best :) This is to say, the rated mWh are still in the battery, but you can't get them *out* of the battery fast enough for your mouth to tell you "good vape" under hi temp conditions. For your purposes, then, the batt is "flat", even though it's still got juice, and would cheerfully deliver it if you let it cool down first.

The thing about VW mods-- why they work so well-- is by controlling the wattage used, they always apply the same amount of total power to the coil for however long you have the fire button pressed, thereby giving you a very consistent vape. Within limits, they don't care about the atty resistance; they just apply the right current at the appropriate voltage to burn X watts-- wherever you set it-- for as long as you hold the button down. State of the art being what it is, there are some practial considerations. The board can't deliver more power than the batt can provide, or so much current it melts. There's usually a limit to the ability of the board to measure the atty resistance; if your coil falls outside those limits, the board can't calculate A x V to give you the W you want. A TC mod won't exceed the specified temp, even if this means delivering less wattage to the atty. A mod with a pre-heat function heats the coil to just-below-vapor-temp for your juice so it fires quickly, but this uses batt power when you are not vaping. In general, though, and all else being equal, a thinner wire/fewer wraps coil vs, a thicker wire/more wraps coil both totalling the same ohms shouldn't make a practical difference in battery life. The thinner coil makes vapor more quickly, true, but usually less than a second's difference, and then only on the first puff from a cold start. There are 3600 watt-seconds in a watt-hour; and you're likely to want to charge/swap batts long before the batt is dead flat. YMMV, if you have a precisely calibrated vape-mouth; but prob not so much in practice.
Ouch... my brain hurts..........
 

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You asked for some thoughts about this and I have a few...

The eVic VT is pretty clearly designed for low ohm, high wattage, high airflow type of atomizers. It is engineered to be used primarily over 30 watts. In temp mode, it doesn't even go lower than 30 watts......

That may have been the design, but I have found it to work exceptionally well in VW mode with a 1.5Ω kanthral single coil and a slightly tight air flow. Sometimes I feel like a simple, small cloud, good flavor, fun vape...the evic TC delivers this with a nice even DC voltage with very easy adjustments.

The VW range of resistance and wattage it allows goes from extremely low to higher than most vape at, the TC for ni or ti is a super bonus in an affordable mod.
 

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Lol, sorry Teach.
No biggie! The doctor just wrapped my head in an ace bandage, gave me a bottle of aspirin, and told me to stay off it for a week. [emoji40] he said something about resultant strain from too many years in a middle school classroom?![emoji54]
 

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Waht temp are you running yours at for rayon. I seen rayon ignite temp is like 420 but I prefer my vape at 450.


Rayon is much more resistant to burning than cotton once it's wet. It actually protects itself with its unique properties.


I believe that TC is ideal for low wattage vapers. Have you ever experienced a dry or burnt hit on an EVOD, ProTank or Nautilus? I personally have not experienced a dry or burnt hit for many months now, running RTAs @ 13-18W or RDAs up to 25W. Maybe I've finally figured out the correct builds for my attys. (!:banana:!) I also notice the sudden drop-off of flavor/vapor when I run out of juice, long before I experience any dry or burnt hits. (Thank you, Rayon and JeremyR!) If we learn how to build them correctly and utilize our devices within their intended parameters, TC becomes less of a necessity and more of a toy.

TC is ideal for protecting vapers:

1. against the limitations of early, inexpensive equipment.
2. against manufacturers' inconsistencies.
3. against the early stages of rebuilding.
4. against overpowering devices not intended for the power we ask them to handle today (most single coil RTAs).
5. against themselves.

Until we see the results of Dr. Farsalinos' latest study, informing us at what temperature e-liquid breaks down into bad stuff, all we can use TC for is avoiding the hot, nasty extreme and adjusting to taste. Both of these things can be accomplished by learning how to use our non-TC gear correctly. Hopefully, a solid, reliable, mostly idiot-proof temperature technology will surface by the time Dr. Farsalinos releases his results.

Yeah I know what to look for but blow it off sometime to dry hit or freezing temps with 100 vg can be very difficult!!!

Really I like that I shouldnt have to make any adjustments.

Usually I run it super high during the day. If I get tired later my draw weakens and i need to power down from a very hot coil. Sometimes I forget and a partial dry hit reminds me.

So it will adjust to your draw at that specific time.. At least I hope it does.

I have only used by in vw mode so far and its been ggggreat.

i'm totally agreed with you, but i think the battery could lasts more than 1 day , my build all between 0.06 to 0.11 if i build it 0.20 am i will feel difference in battery life ? i dont have ni200 28ga to test right now i only have 26ga

It would a little but you need a smaller gauge wire for best results. With the current wire you have to use a lot of wraps wich still draws a lot of power to heat the large mass of wire. So you lose to the law of balance.
 

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I appreciate Pbusardo's extensive testing of the eVic VT, but the source has to be considered when assessing his review. He is a professional reviewer. He receives most items for free, and gets paid to evaluate them. He has nearly unlimited access to devices, so pricing is no concern for him or his evaluation. He is looking for engineered perfection, and affordability is not part of that equation. It's not a surprise to me that he gives it a "thumbs down"......But he is also the type of guy that would buy several authentic Kayfuns at $200 a piece.

He also referenced Joytech's list price of $130 in his review, which is a grossly inflated # i'm guessing very few of us internet shoppers actually ended up paying with even the slightest shopping around effort.

That said, opinion/thoughts on the device (in TC) since getting one Tuesday..........meh. Not terrible or anything, but the drop off in both power and consistent accuracy once past 400 degrees is kinda a let down coming off my regular SX Mini M Class use in the 480-500J range. Simply turning it up for me doesn't always provide the quick fix answer either (leaving somewhat curious just how high the temp is actually going at max settings, if it's only jumping 10 between 400 and 500 as PB stated).

Overall, i just don't think i'm a fan of the apparent ramp down approach to TC. Constantly hitting my atty for 1 second of 30w, followed by another 3 seconds of 7w or so, just isn't my cup of tea.
 
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