Well you know how (no offense) arrogant some in the US Gov can be. God forbid Canada get one up on them. lol. You know, the whole "We are the greatest, we are the most enlightened, we are the most free" thing. Canada having a freedom that the US doesn't have isn't going to sit well with Mr and Mrs John Q Public. (Get the rope Ned! We got some pole cats whut needs hangin) will change a few political views on vaping I am sure. This is just a more entertaining way to say "HEY.. Canada can vape, what's wrong with YOU clowns that are supposed to be looking out for OUR best interest? That's why we elected you, now get busy doing it!"
I watched the video. If I was assured of access to the hardware I choose and nicotine my interests are covered. Restricting flavors is a problem for juice makers but if you must have fancy flavors then make your own juice. Does the Canadian legislation try to interfere with DIY for personal use? What I heard sounds promising.
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No matter what Trump decides to do with vaping I'm going to be stocked up. An easy decision because what I need for 10 years (and may be 20 if nic lasts indefinitely) only sets me back $650, an amount I used to spend for 3 months of smoking. People who collect taxes are usually pretty good at figuring out how practical it will be to collect a particular tax and how much tax revenue it will create. If I have access to the vaping supplies I need with no excise tax my cost is less than $100 a year. A 100% tax on $100 is still chump change. But I won't be needing to think about that for 10 or 20 years. May be the Canadian government is realizing the futility of trying to stamp out vaping. They can fiddle with flavoring in commercial pre mix to appease the nanny's. I'm convinced the kids are drawn to the clouds, not flavors or nic.
Agreed.
DIY is where most eliquid will happen regardless of government. The driver is cost. A $50 (US) bottle of 100 mg has 100,000 mg of nic, the same as the smoke from 5,000 packs of cigarettes. PG and VG are dirt cheap commodities. Flavoring doesn't have to be expensive. My DIY cost of materials is 1.2 cents per ml, about 8 cents a day, about $30 a year. May be plenty of people are willing to pay 50 cents per ml for premix today but that's going to get old eventually. A lot of kids, who smoked little or none don't care about nic, don't need it in their vape. There's no stopping them from buying the other three ingredients and why should we? I've said many times I wish ecigs had been around when I was a kid. Regardless, don't sell anything to kids if their parents might not approve but let parents decide if their kids can vape--off school property of course.
I agree with most of the above, but you are forgetting that DIYers are a VERY VERY small portion of vapers in Canada and this will only decrease moving forward.
A minority of US vapers DIY. I have no idea what the percent is but believe it will increase. I believe everyone who intends to be a life long vaper will be mixing and rebuilding sooner or later. Why are you so sure DIY will decrease in Canada?
And here is the problem they face. Let's assume they want ecigs to be tax revenue neutral, meaning a vaper pays the same tax as he used to pay for smoking. I spent $3,000 a year to smoke in michigan. Half of that went for taxes. A $50 (US) bottle of nic lasts me 4 years. To get the taxes I used to pay smoking that bottle would have to have a $6,000 tax. If I can't buy that bottle who can? Somebody has to mix eliquid or it's effectively banned. I''''m not noticing the Canadian proposals include super strict controls on nicotine for mixing. The spread between $50 and $6,000 is several orders of magnitude. If they try to collect even a fraction of that a robust black market is garranteed.
Yeah, we know. Lets not nitpik details. It is (until this gets final around June next year) still illegal to import nicotine, to vape in vape shops, however this new legislation will LEGALIZE all these aspects of vaping and set down an acceptable method of keeping it away from kids. Mind you, one would think the fact that you have to be 18 to enter a vape shop would be enough.. but apparently not.
I believe 100mg nic will prove to be very difficult to obtain in the coming years. If the DIY nic supply is cut off or taxed substantially, I don't see DIA adaption increasing.
