On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations
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This may be true for US online retailers. US law does not apply to Fasttech based in China. To discourage consumers in the US from buying offshore it would need to be illegal for consumers in the US to buy from those sources. Presumably there would need to be a raft of new procedures for US customs, etc. I'm not aware of anything clarifying that issue. The US vaping industry would be thrilled if we couldn't buy offshore. They are looking out for their industry, not vapers per se.
As I said perhaps. I am certain that the FDA has thought of this loophole.
Will wait and see what happens. All my Chinese purchases have been shipped.
Will wait and see what happens. All my Chinese purchases have been shipped.
They will fall in line.
I remember when people were buying perfectly legal cigarettes from overseas but untaxed in the US. They shut that puppy down with extreme prejudice.
Also several things legal for recreational purposes elsewhere I wouldn't suggest ordering.
I still ask, who is going to pay for all this enforcement?
Customs, the Post Office, FDA, etc; surely don't have the personnel Now. Do you Really think your Congressman, at least Most Congressmen, are going to vote in some massive labor cost increase for these agencies just to go after vaping? It won't be hard for the advocates to nail down the number of lost vape jobs, how many of your Congressmen are going to jump into the Job Killer line? That's not real conducive to a politician's career.
Almost every single post to this thread points out yet another area where as things are now, the new FDA deal is going to be difficult, if not impossible, if not insanely expensive, to make happen. Now yes, there will be a State or two that are New York/Jersey loonie and may take the FDA edict and run with it but I think even they will soon see how expensive that it for them to police. Especially when Locals start losing vape jobs and they Really start raising hell.
It is common knowledge even down South here that there are A LOT of New Yorker's still smoking who Are Not payng the local $8 A PACK price.
Say I'm a vaper in Jersey. I have 4 nearby vape buds. It's gonna cost us what, $3 each a month to split a mailbox in a state next to us that still allows vape mail order.
Remember Occam's Razor. The simpliest solution is often the most likely.
Which gets us back to the option that the FDA INTENDED to make this So Impossible to deal with that there would be Other legal or Congressional moves put in place instead. Remember that also gets both the Administration And the FDA off the hook by saying, Hey, we tried...
Even the FDA says the figure for a PMTA for single vape product (say single flavor of juice) will cost $300,000. Do you honestly think ANY FDA official could testify to Congress or in court that they Don't think that would basically kill the entire industry? Do you realize that the PMTA process has been in place for 6 YEARS already and the FDA has issued exactly ONE approval?
Bruce in Ocala, Fl
Customs, the Post Office, FDA, etc; surely don't have the personnel Now. Do you Really think your Congressman, at least Most Congressmen, are going to vote in some massive labor cost increase for these agencies just to go after vaping? It won't be hard for the advocates to nail down the number of lost vape jobs, how many of your Congressmen are going to jump into the Job Killer line? That's not real conducive to a politician's career.
Almost every single post to this thread points out yet another area where as things are now, the new FDA deal is going to be difficult, if not impossible, if not insanely expensive, to make happen. Now yes, there will be a State or two that are New York/Jersey loonie and may take the FDA edict and run with it but I think even they will soon see how expensive that it for them to police. Especially when Locals start losing vape jobs and they Really start raising hell.
It is common knowledge even down South here that there are A LOT of New Yorker's still smoking who Are Not payng the local $8 A PACK price.
Say I'm a vaper in Jersey. I have 4 nearby vape buds. It's gonna cost us what, $3 each a month to split a mailbox in a state next to us that still allows vape mail order.
Remember Occam's Razor. The simpliest solution is often the most likely.
Which gets us back to the option that the FDA INTENDED to make this So Impossible to deal with that there would be Other legal or Congressional moves put in place instead. Remember that also gets both the Administration And the FDA off the hook by saying, Hey, we tried...
Even the FDA says the figure for a PMTA for single vape product (say single flavor of juice) will cost $300,000. Do you honestly think ANY FDA official could testify to Congress or in court that they Don't think that would basically kill the entire industry? Do you realize that the PMTA process has been in place for 6 YEARS already and the FDA has issued exactly ONE approval?
Bruce in Ocala, Fl
I believe it works like this. Nations have treaties relating to exchanges of goods. Contents of packages, by catagory, need to be declared on the packaging, sometimes depending on the value of the contents. My understanding is electronic cigarette products have no separate catagory but are classified as miscelaneous electronics. That might have to change before US customs can intercept ecig products. Who has the authority to do that? The FDA? May be it works differently and somebody here knows better.
Vaping is unpatriotic. Throw away all your vape stuff and go back to smoking and pay your taxes. Be a loyal American.
Enforcement will be handled by the ATF (Alcohol TOBACCO Firearms). They have limitless money to tackle even the smallest vape bootlegger.
And it won't be a 30 year war on vape. Pinch off the nicotine and this is over in a few weeks tops. The hoarders dip into there stash and everyone else either goes back to smoking and in rare cases quits outright.
Yes
And yes
No separate category needed.
Either your country or company gets tagged as an offender or they don't.
Repeat offenders get their entire shipments returned when identified without wasting the time to search them.
Doesn't matter if an envelope or over seas container.
Tapatyped
I know afew people busted by the ATF for untaxed tobacco products and while seeing the APC roll up and SWAT teams all taced up storming a house in the suberbs and drap vapers off to super max makes great TV the reality is a couple guys in suits walk up to your door and arrest you. They take you to a local police station and you make bail. You then go to Federal Court and pay a very expensive lawyer to reach a plea that costs you a crap ton of money. VERY expensive but not really very interesting.
Also keep in mind that Already, within a week of the deeming rules being announced, there is an On The Record Congressional score of 31 to 19 In Favor of the Cole-Bishop amendment that would save vaping.
Vapers Win Big: House Committee Passes Amendment To Save E-Cigarettes
Also REGARDLESS of other things that are important to you, it is a Fact that the Republicans are the hope of saving vaping. Even the head of the Dems, Debra Wasserman Schultz is publicly Against the Cole-Bishop amendment. Just keep in mind who it is that Does Everything For The Children...
Bruce in Ocala, Fl
Vapers Win Big: House Committee Passes Amendment To Save E-Cigarettes
Also REGARDLESS of other things that are important to you, it is a Fact that the Republicans are the hope of saving vaping. Even the head of the Dems, Debra Wasserman Schultz is publicly Against the Cole-Bishop amendment. Just keep in mind who it is that Does Everything For The Children...
Bruce in Ocala, Fl
Well then, second guessing the FDA is not one of my special talents. If they can choke off supply on a moment's notice it's time to perfect the stash and see what happens next.
Just have cc companies not approve vaping related transactions for vaping equipment. That will stop most.
The FDA has the authority to mandate to U.S. credit card companies what they can take money for?
Since when?
Is the FDA going to reimburse the credit card companies for all that lost business money?
NOBODY tells the credit card companies what to do except in the very rare circumstances where Congress slaps their wrist for them raping the American populace.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl
Since when?
Is the FDA going to reimburse the credit card companies for all that lost business money?
NOBODY tells the credit card companies what to do except in the very rare circumstances where Congress slaps their wrist for them raping the American populace.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl
In the last 50 years, only one other as extensive federal situation has happened for any one industry that I can think of.
The cessation of the mail order/advertising of guns in the early 60's.
But those were way different times (ala no internet) and a lot of that had to do with a mail order gun killing our President.
Even that didn't really work out as planned. There is still printed firearm advertising and I can still buy a brand new firearm on-line or through the mail. Just a couple additional hoops to jump through.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl
The cessation of the mail order/advertising of guns in the early 60's.
But those were way different times (ala no internet) and a lot of that had to do with a mail order gun killing our President.
Even that didn't really work out as planned. There is still printed firearm advertising and I can still buy a brand new firearm on-line or through the mail. Just a couple additional hoops to jump through.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl
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Ive been telling people to prep since i joined 7/4/2015.
Either prep ot regret the choice not to prep.
Credit card companies can be held in complicity if they knowingly process transactions in a way contrary to laws of the government. State or federal.
All it will take is a C&D letter from the FDA.
All it will take is a C&D letter from the FDA.
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I borrowed and placed this excerpt to my FB for Truth! the way the world now sees the USA, while its people walk around with blinders.
The most extreme form of control - Suppress the Voice of the People by Regulating a small portion at a time..................state by state
Very true.
Several dispensaries for MMJ is having all kinds of problems with credit cards, getting Bank accounts, etc.
The most extreme form of control - Suppress the Voice of the People by Regulating a small portion at a time..................state by state
I have always fully believed, and stated on many occasions, that the states will take care of what the FDA does not when it comes to vaping control/regulations/bans/taxes. We need make sure that we are not so focused on what the FDA is doing we forget to watch the attacks at the state and even local level against us.
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