On stockpiling after FDA deeming regulations
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That has NOT PASSED as of yet and I strongly encourage all NJ residents to continue to fight this.
Restriction isn't the problem.
It's availability once vape shops shut down.
I know a couple flavors I use aren't available from the mfr... or are but aren't in less than bulk... and I have to get them from vaping companies online.
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This is a really good concise summary of the regulatory framework and laws that enable the FDA to make the laws against e-cigarettes.
That Nicopure vs FDA case is a good read.
Edit: I replied to the wrong post. See next post.
I think I replied to the wrong post but this is the link I referred to as being a very good summary of the regulatory framework that the FDA can regulate the e-cig market and the future implications of the legislation.
Thank god for China. China was once the land of cheap knock off clones and now is forging ahead with some really good products through Joyetech and many others. The FDA has no clout in China and can't stop them from producing innovative new equipment.
If I was to stock up on any mod it would be the Evic Vcts minis but they won't cease production because they are Chinese.
I am pretty sure most of you Americans will be able to smuggle in Chinese products and nicotine (notwithstanding quality differences between the U.S. And China), the same way we order stuff in Australia. We are under a two tier system in Australia and are allowed to order Vape gear for personal use but that doesn't stop anyone from ordering enough gear to fill several Brick and mortars. Nicotine sale in Australia has been banned since well before the advent of Vaping so it's always been an impediment for us to get good quality juices in Australia. We have always had to order from the US under a kind of grey market cloud.
International shipments may be your best friend guys. Welcome to our world in Australia and other countries under the two tier system.
If all else fails that will be your grey market.
99.99% of the vape hardware that interests us is made in China. In fact I think it's in one city in China. Watch some of the pbusardo factory visit videos on youtube. What I see in those videos are sophisitcated and professional operations. They are obsessed with quality and safety, as they should be and they have the systems in place to make good. I've bought nearly all my hardware from Fasttech for quite a while regardless of the Federal Drug Administration.
There are unanswered questions about the dooming regulations. Do they regulate what can be produced or what can be sold to consumers in America? Can Evolv continue to make boards for export? Can the juice companies make their liquids for export markets or are they prohibited from making unapproved liquids for any market? Then, what will import controls be? Will imports be prohibited or only prohibitions on sale to consumers in America? Is a person ordering from offshore for personal use an importer? If the limitations are on what can be sold to consumers by American companies that's one thing. If possession of vaping products is regulated that's--a drug war. Right now only the FDA (aka God) knows the answers.
Cool, let's have the Tobacco War. Make war on 40 million smokers. Instead of A Billion Lives let's call it A Billion Criminals. Actually A Billion Lies has a nice ring to it. I think I've read that many from Google news.
There are unanswered questions about the dooming regulations. Do they regulate what can be produced or what can be sold to consumers in America? Can Evolv continue to make boards for export? Can the juice companies make their liquids for export markets or are they prohibited from making unapproved liquids for any market? Then, what will import controls be? Will imports be prohibited or only prohibitions on sale to consumers in America? Is a person ordering from offshore for personal use an importer? If the limitations are on what can be sold to consumers by American companies that's one thing. If possession of vaping products is regulated that's--a drug war. Right now only the FDA (aka God) knows the answers.
Cool, let's have the Tobacco War. Make war on 40 million smokers. Instead of A Billion Lives let's call it A Billion Criminals. Actually A Billion Lies has a nice ring to it. I think I've read that many from Google news.
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And then, there is the very occasional perk of living close to Canada. Can't believe I have to go to a socialist country to buy contraband...
My concern is How do we Better prepare all those rushing out to purchase some things they have on previous exposure to?
Stockpiling Nic sounds Great, and my Freezer will attest to my determination not to be dictated to. However, Improperly handled, highly concentrated Nicotine Can be a serious Risk.
I'm not going to Preach all the Safety Tips in this post but PLEASE, PLEASE, Please ask someone if there is anything you are uncertain or uncomfortable with.
Many of us have had a long time to work out the kinks in protecting ourselves and loved ones.
Vape Safe
Stockpiling Nic sounds Great, and my Freezer will attest to my determination not to be dictated to. However, Improperly handled, highly concentrated Nicotine Can be a serious Risk.
I'm not going to Preach all the Safety Tips in this post but PLEASE, PLEASE, Please ask someone if there is anything you are uncertain or uncomfortable with.
Many of us have had a long time to work out the kinks in protecting ourselves and loved ones.
Vape Safe
Well certainly not from me with an attitude like yours.
Whew! I guess since half my family was born there, I've lived there, and have permanent Resident Alien status there, I won't be without then, will I? Did I say something not true, or just something you don't like?
If this is the case it's even stricter than Australian laws on tobacco. After all Nicotine manufacture and sale is illegal in Australia, there is a limit on foreign brands of cigarettes for retail sale, cigarettes must be sold in plain packaging and can't state nicotine levels. Cigarettes must also be kept behind closed cabinets.
Australia is the nanny States of all nanny States and YET we can purchase nicotine juices from overseas for personal use. There are also no restrictions on the manufacture, retail sale or use of vaping equipment.
How can the land of the free, a supposedly great democracy become some draconian and prohibit an entire industry like this, particularly one that is helping people get off smoking ?
We all know the FDA is corrupt. You only have to watch the movie Dallas Buyers Club to get a glimpse of the sinister and corrupt money hungry politics that is involved with the FDA.
The U.S. has become an establishment of money hungry politicians and giant capitalists who create laws that benefit themselves and are not concerned about the citizens rights or welfare.
Your country is no longer the great country it was heralded from fighters for freedom and justice. It is an enslaved place run by foreign interests and capitalists who sway governments for their economic benefit. Consolidation and marginalisation that is eventually the end result of capitalism leads to such large powerful mandates of people and corporation who change laws to suit the interests of the plutocracy.
From the day I started vaping in 2009 and heard that the FDA was trying to bring vaping into the ambit of its pharmaceutical laws I knew there was foul play going on and an agenda that does not serve the publics interest or the welfare of the country.
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Me thinks the more correct choice of words in place of "capitalism" would be greed.
And don't forget control.
The FDA did not dictate NO online sales.
Those rules were set up by individual States such as new York, New Jersey, California, and others.
The USA has not been the land of the free since the nanny state took over.
6 years ago i begged my sister to accept a teaching in Asia just to get us the HE double hockey sticks out of here.
In America the stinky stuff is about to hit the fan.
The National debt is almost $20 trillion.
If you add unfunded mandates like the Railroad retirement, sosial security, medicare, meducaid, WIC, food stamps, etc the real debt looks like $210 trillion.
Look what liberal policies did to Detroit, California, New York, etc. People are leaving those tyranical states and Cities and Cities in droves.
America's down fall started with the Great society instituted by President Lyndon Baines (NO Brains) Johnson
I think that only a few states prohibit buying tobacco products online maybe 6?
And it depends on the wording of the STATE laws however and some may not immediately ban online vaping sales.
What WILL happen though is that a photo id WILL be required by the FDA for ALL face to face and online sales of vaping stuff. This IS an FDA requirement.
And it depends on the wording of the STATE laws however and some may not immediately ban online vaping sales.
What WILL happen though is that a photo id WILL be required by the FDA for ALL face to face and online sales of vaping stuff. This IS an FDA requirement.
Talking with my wife last night about this.
As of 8/8/16 vaping sales from the innerweb are gonna be done for with existing laws. So to allow online sales the law would have to be changed to benefit vaping which has a 0% chance of happening. So they can do nothing which means its illegal but not enforced. Or they can let it stand as is and enforce it. Or most likely let what is stand and add even worse and enforce the piss out of it.
Many online shops will prolly just stop shipping to NY like gun places and avoid the maze of NY laws.
With a very little planning and effort NY could shut down innerweb sales and add a 10 buck a bottle tax and have vaping dead in NY by 8/10/16.
But after 8-8-2016 ALL online sales of vaping stuff will require the use of a photo ID somehow.
This is in the new FDA regs. They do not differentiate between face to face and online on this point.
This is in the new FDA regs. They do not differentiate between face to face and online on this point.
If you buy in the US on the internet you may have issues. Efun, Fasttech, and the like will be up and running as if it's just another day.
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I've been fighting for NJ. I was at the CASAA rally last Monday. Good turnout and good people there.
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