reported deaths due to nicotine

[skoony]

quick note to the moderators,please move to appropriate forum if necessary.
hi all,
i remember back not to long ago there had been a reported death of a child due to ingesting e-juice. this saddened me very much. today i did some googling.
apparently there may have been three death's. i found the original story from Israel concerning a 2 year old girl link below.
http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Toddler-who-ingested-liquid-nicotine-passes-away-314683

i found follow ups of the story on many e-cig related sites such as this.
Toddler Dies after Drinking E-Juice - Vape Squad

apparently a small boy in Wales here.
Child dies after drinking nicotine liquid

another noted here but,no location or names given.
Local Kids Are Dying From Ingesting Electronic Cigarette Juice - Bubblews

so there is 2 and possibly 3 children who's death was caused by e-juice. my problem is i can't find any follow up stories other than my first link. any other mentions of these deaths are from e-cig related sites referring to the original story. no autopsy,or toxicology reports.no memorials or obits.nothing. i am not an expert on the googling, so what am i doing wrong. can any one confirm these reports? i can't seem to find any conformation. does any one know of any follow up stories?
regards
mike

 

[JBL-37]

Definitely sad if true...

Maybe you can't find anything because their minors? Idk...

Could be propaganda too... I'd hate to think this but it is possible...

 

[xxJollyRogerxx]

Yanno I dunno about this stuff; simple fear mongering or more to the point; something to write about to make people read their news ... There are more kids that have died from eating dishwasher tablets then ejuice which simply means you need to watch out for your kids regardless .... period. if you don't watch your kids bad things will happen to them. One of those articles said the kid ate the tablet but the parents were to drunk to do anything about it ... sad.

 

[crxess]

Your 2 links to Israel child are True but weak in reporting. A 3rd report goes into more detail and the Grandfather was the User that was at fault.(product in his room)
No clarification as to if it was e-liquid(flavored/diluted) or Nicotine liquid(high strength) Both are Dangerous and need to be properly stored.

Second Story seems to be a Blog post with no other verification.

3rd Story is a simple Mass Hysteria Posting much like the NYT likes to run.

Here is something related and worth reading:
A case of nicotine poisoning from e-liquid (?)

Also keep in mind - The Nicotine Injection Suicide was NOT E-liquid It was from a medical prescription.

 

[Shootist]

Although I am sad "IF" these deaths really happened but basically they were not from ingesting e-liquid.

They died from poor parenting. Similar to leaving your child in your car on a hot day.

That is my opinion.

It's just like when someone dies from a gun shot wound. It wasn't the gun that killed the person. It was the person holding the gun that killed that person.

 

[classwife]

Moved to Media and General News from General Vaping Discussion

 

[dragonpuff]

I doubt that most of these stories are completely untrue propaganda - if they were there would be a lot more than 3 reported deaths worldwide.

That last one however... PURE propaganda, at it's finest

Some cases like this may be faulty parenting, other people may be truly ignorant of the risks.

I have personally had to tell someone to move her e-liquid out of reach of her young child, she was very new to vaping and genuinely didn't realize it was hazardous. There was a warning label on the bottle, but it was at the bottom of the back of the label in very tiny print that matched everything else written on the bottle, and she never would have known it was there if I hadn't pointed it out to her since she doesn't wear her reading glasses all the time.

I do think there should be some regulation of warning labels, at least to make sure they are clearly visible. If I sold e-liquid I would have a skull and crossbones on each bottle in addition to the warning, to make sure it is seen.

At the same time, however, stories like this are getting blown out of proportion, mainly because the public and ANTZ are going to latch on to every potential safety hazard they can find and blow it out of proportion to support their beliefs. As such, I expect to see more stories like this popping up...

 

[bigdancehawk]

I'm having a hard time verifying any of these stories.

 

[skoony]

I'm having a hard time verifying any of these stories.

thats what concerns me. no follow up interviews with parents,siblings,relatives,friends or acquaintances. nothing. i would assume if there was any truth to these stories the ANTZ would be beating our heads into the ground with it. i can see as someone suggested keeping a child's name out of the story but. not autopsy and toxicology reports. these are public records. i asked here because i didn't want to go off half cocked. now my opinion is these stories are bogus,until i am proven wrong.
regards
mike

 

[Kent C]

The one from Wales is a fake - as stated by the author: "The story above is of course entirely fictitious but let’s hope that it isn’t prescient, there’s a real danger that, tragically, it may prove to be so."

Gavin Dychmygol, the 'boy' - his last name is "Imaginary" in English.

 

[skoony]

The one from Wales is a fake - as stated by the author: "The story above is of course entirely fictitious but let’s hope that it isn’t prescient, there’s a real danger that, tragically, it may prove to be so."

Gavin Dychmygol, the 'boy' - his last name is "Imaginary" in English.

thanks Kent.
mike

 

[crxess]

So, again -Actual Death Toll, unknown Nicotine liquid - 1 Child
No Verification through Autopsy Record
No follow up coverage in Media

It is Sad when the Life of any Child is Lost, whatever the cause.

It is Pitiful that people use that Loss for profit or propaganda.

 

[Kent C]

Funny how the news doesn't match reality.

 

[DC2]

There was a poster here who was diligently monitoring the Israel situation, and constantly searching for further verification.
As far as I know that person never did find any information other than what you have already found.

I wish I could remember which poster that was.
But they'll probably stumble in here eventually and fill you in.

 

[Kent C]

There was a poster here who was diligently monitoring the Israel situation, and constantly searching for further verification.
As far as I know that person never did find any information other than what you have already found.

I wish I could remember which poster that was.
But they'll probably stumble in here eventually and fill you in.

Agent Ania:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...garette-liquid-up-sharply-3.html#post12640657

post#30

 

[DC2]

Yeah, I thought it was her, but I just wasn't in the mood to go searching.


Thanks Kent.

 

[Kent C]

Not saying this didn't happen but there are a few discrepancies in the stories - not uncommon either. 'Parents not home, at the grandfathers' in one, 'parents were home' in another. 'Only child' in one, 'another younger daughter' in another. And... "Then she was taken in critical condition, anesthetized and on a respirator, to Hadassah Hospital Mount Scopus."

 

[bigdancehawk]

Not saying this didn't happen but there are a few discrepancies in the stories - not uncommon either. 'Parents not home, at the grandfathers' in one, 'parents were home' in another. 'Only child' in one, 'another younger daughter' in another. And... "Then she was taken in critical condition, anesthetized and on a respirator, to Hadassah Hospital Mount Scopus."

I'm saying it didn't happen. Otherwise, the story would have created a media explosion.

 

[Kent C]

I'm saying it didn't happen. Otherwise, the story would have created a media explosion.

Actually, I think it did help create a media explosion. As I've stated elsewhere, and this is just following the news on ecigs, but there was a time when the media was a bit more balanced. All the major news media did produce many 'bad' reports but in their articles there were some positives - to appear balanced to the low information crowd, most likely and they were still able to get their scare points out. But then the 'poisoning' issue arose (and this story was one of them, along with some ANTZ studies) and there were no such 'positive' lines in any of the major media and even other sources weren't as positive. This lasted until about 2 or 3 weeks ago? after the Euro/UK news from ASH and others. Since then, it seems to have turned back more like before the poison period. If you just look at the posts during that 'poison period' here, many were depressed as to how much effect it was having. That may have been a bit before you got more active posting here, but I'm pretty sure many regulars will know of what I speak.

 

[AgentAnia]

Yes, it was I, and yes, I've been monitoring the Israeli issue, though not as often lately, and to date I stand by my original premise: that this story as initially reported was not proven to be a case of nicotine poisoning, and any followup has been in the form of unofficial rumormongering and guessing, since no official followup has been issued by Israeli authorities that I've been able to find.

And yet. And yet, I've seen several "experts" (of the ANTZ variety) refer to this case as a "death by nicotine," (and worse, a "child's death by nicotine) as if it were established fact.