SvoёMesto KAYFUN 4

[Croak]

And I get zero dry hits now using a modified version of Buttkicker's method, especially the fluffing and trimming (which takes me about a minute, tops). Where I differ is that I peel off both compressed layers and just use the middle portions (with a wider strip to compensate) so there's less "fluffing" required, and the flavor is a bit better without the compressed layer IMO.

Also makes a significant difference when I use it with a nickel build, more flavor, more vapor, and more temperature stability.

This is all with 80% to Max VG juices, and 2.5mm to 3.5mm ID coils, spaced and contact.

 

[mamabear15]

Do you know how the juice control works, which way is open and which way is closed? How often does juice leak from the air holes?

Doofy thank you for the response! Yes theoretically the juice control closes before refilling, reopen it once it's all closed back up...however I've noticed sometimes it simply will not turn, I've found myself having to rely on the fact it opens & closes itself when I put it on/take it off the mod. Which worries me as well because I can just see over stressing the 510 with time...

Also it leaks sporadically, but a lot when it does

I've also noticed sometimes juice stops flowing even when the JC is "open"... Pouring Pouring the juice out & complete disassembly seems to be the only fix

It's almost certainly user error on my part, but I've yet to find a pattern to figure out what I'm doing wrong... Granted, I only got the thing yesterday

 

[Kaoself]

Do you know how the juice control works, which way is open and which way is closed? How often does juice leak from the air holes?

Rotating the KF4 clockwise is open and counter clockwise closed. When I first got mine it helped me to think that I had to close the juice control in the same direction that I would use immediately after to open the top cap.

Juice shouldn't leak from the air holes, but unfortunately mine sometimes does now after I drilled out the vertical deck juice holes. You either need to alter your wicking or raise your coil if it's very low to try and prevent this occurring.

I personally didn't find that drilling the juice holes made a difference, and I feel that drilling out the juice holes in the chimney would be needed too. I tried to attempt to eliminate my occasional dry hits that occur regardless of which juice ratios I use (60 -70% vg usually - yeah, you're right Chaotic, POET does seem like less than a 70vg mix. Higher flavouring % I guess) or what ohm builds I use (0.6 or 1.3 usually). I'm beginning to think that maybe it's more my vaping style of a couple of 1 second mouth hits followed by about 5 1.5-2 secong MTL before an exhalation.

mama, I might have to give the Cotton Bacon a try as well as I too have some that I've never tried which was given to me in a large order. I just assumed it would be indistinguishable from normal cotton balls. Perhaps I'm totally wrong.

Cotton pads are easy. Just cut a strip about 5mm (for a 2.4mm coil. 6-6.5mm for a 3mm coil) pull that apart evenly so that each side has a firmer side and a fluffier side, then cut each of these into 3 pieces. I roll mine fluffy side out when threading into the coil. This way you can get about 60 wicks from the one pad.

 

[Kaoself]

I've also noticed sometimes juice stops flowing even when the JC is "open"... Pouring Pouring the juice out & complete disassembly seems to be the only fix

Instead of pouring the juice out, try covering the air intake holes with your fingers and giving it a priming pull. You can also try closing the juice control and opening the top cap enough to get a bit more air inside before tightening the top cap and opening the juice control. You'll probably see the juice level drop noticeably as it's forced up into your wicks.

 

[doofy666]

Doofy thank you for the response! Yes theoretically the juice control closes before refilling, reopen it once it's all closed back up...however I've noticed sometimes it simply will not turn, I've found myself having to rely on the fact it opens & closes itself when I put it on/take it off the mod. Which worries me as well because I can just see over stressing the 510 with time...

Do you have a small screwdriver or similar that will fit in an airhole to enable you to turn JC easier? The JC can have a tendency to stick when fully open or fully closed. Make sure to back it off slightly in either position.

It might be a good idea to strip your base down and lube part #4 with olive oil and apply a bit of chapstick to part #16. This might make your JC turn easier. The JC should turn fairly freely. I'd suggest you watch a couple of youtube vids on the K4 and ensure you are totally familiar with JC operation.

As for your leaks - sounds like orings, with oring #16 being the prime suspect. When you strip the base down inspect #16 carefully, especialy at it's corners. You need to be able to see that it sits proud. If not, consider replacing with an oversized one - 12 x 1.5.

 

[DaveP]

Do you know how the juice control works, which way is open and which way is closed? How often does juice leak from the air holes?

The juice control ring is turned counter-clockwise as viewed from the bottom. When you have the coil assembly out and in your hand you can loosen the center contact screw (the one that contacts your mod positive pole) and the bottom cap will screw in and out. While you are playing with it, notice that there is a plate in part #17 that moves up and down as you turn the JC ring or the bottom cap. When that plate is bottomed out, the JC is wide open.

 

[mamabear15]

mama, I might have to give the Cotton Bacon a try as well as I too have some that I've never tried which was given to me in a large order. I just assumed it would be indistinguishable from normal cotton balls. Perhaps I'm totally wrong.

Cotton pads are easy. Just cut a strip about 5mm (for a 2.4mm coil. 6-6.5mm for a 3mm coil) pull that apart evenly so that each side has a firmer side and a fluffier side, then cut each of these into 3 pieces. I roll mine fluffy side out when threading into the coil. This way you can get about 60 wicks from the one pad.

Cotton bacon is my hero. I was ready to give up on cotton & try rayon, which I hate the idea of because I don't want rayon in my lungs, but that's how frustrated I was over weeks of dry hits no matter how I wicked or wrapped. I was on a Subtank Mini at that point, so I drilled out my juice channels, I swapped RBA decks, I even had several friends build for me and wick for me, so it wasn't just me. Nothing would last beyond 1/2 a tank on my Subtank Mini, even with short hits that I hated trying to regulate down to 1-2 seconds each. I'm telling you it was a nightmare, man. 3 days straight I simply had no vape at all. Finally the 4th guy I had build one for me, used cotton bacon. 2hours later I was back to his store buying 3 packs to make sure I never ran out. That first setup lasted me 4 days. Since I switched to the Kayfun, wicks last longer than that. I've yet to figure out exactly why it is different, but I'll never go back!
FYI - I don't preboil, it's all soft (ref. to your description of the cotton pads above, picture strips made entirely of the fluffy part) and uniform width - just pinch off the diameter you need, twist the end to thread the coil, give it a quick untwist for fairly straight-line threads again, fluff/prime & you're done ive also noticed compared to KGD or similar, the bacon's cotton taste is stronger the first hit or 2, but disappears completely after 3-4 hits, much faster than I ever experienced with kgd...though friends tell me I'm way over sensitive to cotton taste, most that I've given it to say they never taste cotton from hit #1

 

[mamabear15]

Sorry for the preachin' there but it saved my vaping life, lol. What can I say, I'm grateful...as I'm also grateful to you for your advice on the kayfun JC!! I lubed it up & it does twist much easier...however I still am having issues with it not seeming to flow juice at all even on full open. About twice in each tank, I find myself getting a slight taste of not-so-good vape, so I check the JC, confirm it's fully open, without fail it is so then leaving JC open, I open the top cap as though I was filling...watch a good quarter tank's worth of air bubbles rise quickly...and hurry to close the JC before it floods! Then I close the top, reopen JC, and vape on...it's a bit of a pain tbh... That & the leaking are totally messing up my nirvana over here, lol -even with those issues I love this tank & want to make it perfect because I am never ever going back to the Subtank lol

 

[jaxgator]

I was ready to give up on cotton & try rayon, which I hate the idea of because I don't want rayon in my lungs,

Huh? Can you expound on this? I have no idea how one gets "rayon in their lungs" using it as a wicking material.

 

[dems86]

Huh? Can you expound on this? I have no idea how one gets "rayon in their lungs" using it as a wicking material.

By inhaling it, duh

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[jaxgator]

By inhaling it, duh

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Well yeah Mr. Smart Aleck (), but that ain't happening unless there is absolutely no juice on it.

 

[qorax]

Well yeah Mr. Smart Aleck (), but that ain't happening unless there is absolutely no juice on it.

In which case even cotton (or silica, or whatever) might also be inhaled. And Rayon, like Cotton, is a tree/plant produce as well. Besides, we have been (and are) inhaling many other nasty things as well in our regular life.

So, it's a moot point. Which is why I am with you Jax on it ~ why this excessive fear for Rayon?

 

[mamabear15]

Because it's how I feel about it, m'dear
Note that I didn't say "rayon is bad" (as if that's ultimate truth), I said "I hate the idea of it" (as my own opinion)- and I'm not gonna get further into it than that. Info is out there supporting both sides of the debate I'm avoiding (true of about anything these days, actually!) and this isn't a thread about wicking material... and ya know, opinions themselves aren't exactly the debatable part, yours is yours & mine is mine. Enjoy what makes YOU feel comfortable, as will I

 

[qorax]

Because it's how I feel about it, m'dear
Note that I didn't say "rayon is bad" (as if that's ultimate truth), I said "I hate the idea of it" (as my own opinion)- and I'm not gonna get further into it than that. Info is out there supporting both sides of the debate I'm avoiding (true of about anything these days, actually!) and this isn't a thread about wicking material... and ya know, opinions themselves aren't exactly the debatable part, yours is yours & mine is mine. Enjoy what makes YOU feel comfortable, as will I

True.

 

[mamabear15]

Ty qorax...BTW I gotta say I LOVE the reviews you post. You've got me wanting the Erlk desperately, lmao

 

[tchavei]

Between having weird body parts or rayon in my lungs, I chose rayon. But that's just my opinion


Regards
Tony

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[DaveP]

I've seen microscope photos of used silica wicks after wetting with juice and vaping for a while. The glass shards look like needles. They reportedly stick in your lungs, never to be coughed up. That's a recipe for lung cancer over time. I'll never go back to silica

Cotton and Rayon are soft threads that can be coughed up if you happen to inhale them.

 

[qorax]

^ And till 2013 all we used was Silica

 

[BNEAT]

No updates for this thread in over a week, really???

Max VG at 30+watts with lung hits just doesn't work well with these attys...unless you want to incorporate a couple of thousand dollars worth of modifications. Ask me how I know.

 

[Aal_]

No updates for this thread in over a week, really???

Max VG at 30+watts with lung hits just doesn't work well with these attys...unless you want to incorporate a couple of thousand dollars worth of modifications. Ask me how I know.

Or do what I do, go ringless, lose the oring on the deck and fill the deck and base with rayon. But never tried 30. Got to 22 I think and never needed more to be honest. But with your modifications nothing can stop it. I hate 100% VG.